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1 posted on 09/19/2013 2:46:04 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

“small minded rules”
I have never thought of sin as “small mind rules”.


2 posted on 09/19/2013 2:47:21 PM PDT by svcw (Stand or die)
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To: SkyPilot; lightman

I’m a “recovering Methodist”, but is the Pope really considered God’s spokesman on earth?


3 posted on 09/19/2013 2:49:25 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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Ah, thankfully not in Religion forum, where any stray comment is construed as Catholic bashing.

I'm going to say that this new pope just gives me the willies. His cuteness, for instance, always too cute by half. Wants to play the eccentric, when people find comfort in maintaining little traditions like red shoes...and that was just the beginning. He keeps wanting to pretend that he's a man of the masses, worries security, is unconventional for the sake of it. Then there's the Jesuit "liberation theology" undercurrent.

Why this guy? Was Benedict forced out? I think we are in a world of hurt. When Jon Stewart approves, w are in trouble.

6 posted on 09/19/2013 2:52:46 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: SkyPilot; NYer; zot; carriage_hill; lightman; rbmillerjr; Mamzelle

see NYer’s post: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3068815/posts before going off on the CBS anti-Christian report/diatribe

It begins: Pope, in sweeping interview, compares Church with ‘field hospital’ for wounded society

Thursday, September 19, 2013 4:19:26 PM · by NYer · 13 replies
Catholic Culture ^ | September 19, 2013 | Diogenes

In a broad-ranging interview, Pope Francis has underlined the need for the Church “to heal wounds and to warm the hearts of the faithful.” “Ministers of the church must be ministers of mercy above all,” the Pope insists in the course of a 12,000-word interview. Conducted by Father Antonio Spadaro, the editor of the Italian Jesuit journal La Civilta Cattolica, the interview was translated and published simultaneously by other Jesuit publications, including the American magazine America.


9 posted on 09/19/2013 2:56:41 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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“small-minded rules”

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From THE mind? From the greatest mind that has ever or will ever exist?

This seems so at odds with the Pope’s statements before he became the Pope, I think we can only conclude that the Vatican is ensnared by a homosexual lobby, and this Pope has caved to them.
Is Catholicism following in the footsteps of Methodism?


14 posted on 09/19/2013 3:02:49 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: SkyPilot

The world would be a better place if people stuck to worshiping God and Jesus, and not Popes.


15 posted on 09/19/2013 3:05:18 PM PDT by Arthurio
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To: SkyPilot

I don’t need a mere human to redefine the word of God for me.


17 posted on 09/19/2013 3:06:41 PM PDT by skeeter
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If you belonged to the world, the world would love its own; but because you do not belong to the world, and I have chosen you out of the world, the world hates you.

John 15:19


20 posted on 09/19/2013 3:14:48 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (John 15:19)
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Top story on Google News and CBS

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THAT should be a clue right away as to the authenticity of the “reporting.”

LOL...they want so desperately to have us believe that he has a different vision than Benedict or John Paul II...or that he is changing Church teaching.

He lines up perfectly with his predecessors and has not changed any Teaching of the Church.

Unfortunately...some very foolish people believe whatever they hear or read...even if it comes from CBS or any other pathetic source.

Sigh...


22 posted on 09/19/2013 3:18:35 PM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: SkyPilot

An interview translated into English for a handful of Jesuit magazines as reported by the National Catholic Reporter (not Register, the more orthodox of the two) to CBS news?

The jury’s still WAY out on this one. These folks love nothing more to twist everything this Pope says way out of proportion.


23 posted on 09/19/2013 3:25:04 PM PDT by GatorGirl (Who is John Galt?)
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Do not trust the MSM to ever get what the Pope said right. They do not understand the concept of welcoming the sinner so that he may be healed through Christ’s grace and mercy.


26 posted on 09/19/2013 3:29:33 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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ping


28 posted on 09/19/2013 3:35:47 PM PDT by lonevoice (Today I broke my personal record for most consecutive days lived)
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I’m surprised to hear that “thou shalt not commit adultery” is small minded.


33 posted on 09/19/2013 3:47:35 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Osama Obama Care: A Religion That Will Have You On Your Knees!)
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It appears that soon, very soon the Catholic Church will be supporting gay marriage, free love, abortion and acid trips and socialism, well they already support socialism


34 posted on 09/19/2013 3:48:17 PM PDT by stockpirate (My great, great, great, great, grandfather fought in the Revolution, stand up patriots......)
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I don’t know exactly what Pope Francis is saying, but if the reporting is true, he’s about to make the same mistake as Pope John the 23rd. When you loosen the reins too far on the congregation, a bunch of liberals step in and that’s a recipe for ruin. Pope John the 23rd was trying to let some fresh air into the church. A bunch of liberal people stepped in and started things like guitar and tambourine masses. They changed the cannon of the mass until it was full of niceties, but the regimentation was gone. Then the people started to not attend.

If Pope Francis starts down that same road, he’ll lose more. Please learn from the past, Pope Francis. Hold to the truths of the church. Use common sense. Be conservative. I pray!


40 posted on 09/19/2013 4:03:38 PM PDT by maxwellsmart_agent
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Although I am not Catholic, I have long admired the Catholic Church’s steadfast opposition to Abortion in the face of great opposition, long before Evangelicals picked up the mantle.

Now, that Science and technology are actually affirming the Catholic position with 3D ultrasound and fetal monitoring, it would seem that the new pontiff is calling this heroic stand “small-minded rules”.

If this is true and not a media ruse, it is VERY disturbing.

Pope Francis is, of course, entitled to his opinion, but there is a large group of people who consider his statements to be infallible. What can they do when the statements conflict with centuries of Catholic teaching?

Not to mention their own conscience in the matter.


41 posted on 09/19/2013 4:04:17 PM PDT by left that other site (You Shall Know the Truth, and the Truth Shall Set You Free...John 8:32)
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The entire interview is available online in English on America Magazine

A long read. Here's the portion being quoted in the MSM with some context:

"I mention to Pope Francis that there are Christians who live in situations that are irregular for the church or in complex situations that represent open wounds. I mention the divorced and remarried, same-sex couples and other difficult situations. What kind of pastoral work can we do in these cases? What kinds of tools can we use?

“We need to proclaim the Gospel on every street corner,” the pope says, “preaching the good news of the kingdom and healing, even with our preaching, every kind of disease and wound. In Buenos Aires I used to receive letters from homosexual persons who are ‘socially wounded’ because they tell me that they feel like the church has always condemned them. But the church does not want to do this. During the return flight from Rio de Janeiro I said that if a homosexual person is of good will and is in search of God, I am no one to judge. By saying this, I said what the catechism says. Religion has the right to express its opinion in the service of the people, but God in creation has set us free: it is not possible to interfere spiritually in the life of a person.

A person once asked me, in a provocative manner, if I approved of homosexuality. I replied with another question: ‘Tell me: when God looks at a gay person, does he endorse the existence of this person with love, or reject and condemn this person?’ We must always consider the person. “A person once asked me, in a provocative manner, if I approved of homosexuality. I replied with another question: ‘Tell me: when God looks at a gay person, does he endorse the existence of this person with love, or reject and condemn this person?’ We must always consider the person. Here we enter into the mystery of the human being. In life, God accompanies persons, and we must accompany them, starting from their situation. It is necessary to accompany them with mercy. When that happens, the Holy Spirit inspires the priest to say the right thing.

“This is also the great benefit of confession as a sacrament: evaluating case by case and discerning what is the best thing to do for a person who seeks God and grace. The confessional is not a torture chamber, but the place in which the Lord’s mercy motivates us to do better. I also consider the situation of a woman with a failed marriage in her past and who also had an abortion. Then this woman remarries, and she is now happy and has five children. That abortion in her past weighs heavily on her conscience and she sincerely regrets it. She would like to move forward in her Christian life. What is the confessor to do?

“We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage and the use of contraceptive methods. This is not possible. I have not spoken much about these things, and I was reprimanded for that. But when we speak about these issues, we have to talk about them in a context. The teaching of the church, for that matter, is clear and I am a son of the church, but it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time.

The dogmatic and moral teachings of the church are not all equivalent. The church’s pastoral ministry cannot be obsessed with the transmission of a disjointed multitude of doctrines to be imposed insistently. “The dogmatic and moral teachings of the church are not all equivalent. The church’s pastoral ministry cannot be obsessed with the transmission of a disjointed multitude of doctrines to be imposed insistently. Proclamation in a missionary style focuses on the essentials, on the necessary things: this is also what fascinates and attracts more, what makes the heart burn, as it did for the disciples at Emmaus. We have to find a new balance; otherwise even the moral edifice of the church is likely to fall like a house of cards, losing the freshness and fragrance of the Gospel. The proposal of the Gospel must be more simple, profound, radiant. It is from this proposition that the moral consequences then flow."




"Dia shábháil ar fad anseo!"

Genuflectimus non ad principem sed ad Principem Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

44 posted on 09/19/2013 4:05:40 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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Am I the only Roman Catholic who can see a MAJOR civil war within the Church??

There are some outstanding traditionalists/conservatives within the Church however the lefties have become very influential.

Perhaps the REAL 3rd secret of Fatima was the Roman Catholic Church being ripped apart by internal strife.


46 posted on 09/19/2013 4:10:28 PM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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TheVatican’s gotta generate some more revenue.


47 posted on 09/19/2013 4:11:19 PM PDT by Third Person (Welcome to Gaymerica.)
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He is approving sin. Shame on him.


58 posted on 09/19/2013 4:28:41 PM PDT by YukonGreen
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