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Senate sees way forward on funding bill [Amendment to Strike]
The Hill ^ | September 19, 2013 | Alexander Bolton

Posted on 09/20/2013 1:49:18 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

......... Reid’s first move would be to schedule a vote to end debate on proceeding to the House continuing resolution. This would require 60 votes. Republican senators would vote to proceed to the bill because it would including the language to defund ObamaCare.

Then he would fill the amendment tree, defining what amendments could be considered in relation to the House legislation.

Reid would be sure that one of the pending amendments is a so-called “amendment to strike,” which would allow him schedule a future vote on stripping the language defunding ObamaCare and prioritizing debt payments.

A Senate Democratic aide characterized the amendment to strike as a substitute amendment that would allow Reid to replace the House language with a “clean” proposal to fund the government beyond September.

“It would be a substitute amendment,” the aide said. “There’s just a bunch of stuff we’d want to get rid of.”

Then Reid would schedule a vote to end debate on the House continuing resolution and proceed to final passage. This vote also requires 60 votes.

Republicans are expected to support this cloture vote because the legislation would still include language to defund ObamaCare.

“It doesn’t seem to make much sense to vote 'no' on a bill that contains the defund-ObamaCare provision,” said Senate Republican Whip John Cornyn (Texas). “I don’t know anybody in our conference who’s for ObamaCare, so I think they’d vote 'yes' to get on a bill to defund it.”

After this second cloture vote has passed, the pending amendments can be approved with a simple majority vote. At this point, Reid could strike the language defunding ObamaCare and prioritizing debt payments without having to rely on Republican votes. He could strike the language with Democratic votes alone...........

(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: amendmenttostrike; obamacare; reid; senate
Then this:

Cruz open to filibuster to defund Obamacare "......Cruz loudly praised Boehner on Thursday for "historic leadership" and House Republicans for "sticking their neck out."

But earlier in the day, he told reporters that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) has enough votes to send a CR with ObamaCare funding straight back to the House.

"Reid has 54 Democrats, and they presumably are going to stand with him … and a number of Senate Republicans have expressed that they may support the Democrats here," Cruz said after an event held by the National Auto Dealers Association.

"I think it is likely that it will take another election for a full repeal," he added.

Cruz and his allies have not yet outlined their plan for when the House passes its CR on Friday. Several have said that it depends how Reid responds.

But Cruz's comments on Thursday suggest that all tactics are on the table, including a talking filibuster that could make Republicans the face of a shutdown on Oct. 1........"

And this:

There Is No Compromise on ObamaCare

"......Let's assume for a moment that Krauthammer is right -- that defunding ObamaCare is simply impossible, and it will never work. Does that mean there is no value in taking up the fight? Sometimes, fighting a losing battle based on principle and in selfless dedication to what is right -- and being seen doing it, à la Ted Cruz -- can be rousing for a political cause. [emphasis added]

And if Krauthammer is also right in his hopeful prediction that ObamaCare will be crushed by its own immense size and economically destructive makeup, what harm is there, then, in being among the voices that have been heralding that horrible outcome while fighting to protect Americans from it? Wouldn't Republicans then have more credibility with the American people for having done so?

I think they would. But the real reason ObamaCare must be fought at every turn is that Krauthammer is probably wrong. Not about it being an unwinnable battle -- it may very well be. But if history is any measure, he's probably wrongfully optimistic about ObamaCare's potential to be reversed after its continued implementation.

Why? Barack Obama explains (emphasis added):........"

[SNIP]

"....In the event that our country continues to exist under these conditions, it will be anything but the America we know today. Considering what's at stake, it is only logical that conservatives ask their representatives to employ any and all legal measures to thwart ObamaCare -- spirit of "compromise" be damned."

1 posted on 09/20/2013 1:49:18 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Ultimately if the house decides it will not fund boehnercare under any circumstances, then they could shut down the federal government indefinitely. Then it’s just a question of who blinks first.


2 posted on 09/20/2013 1:57:50 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: RKBA Democrat

Everyone must keep emailing their Senators and Representatives.

DON’T STOP telling them to fight this - to be brave and do the right thing!

Bravery is contagious.

Be the face of what is right.


3 posted on 09/20/2013 2:01:43 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I believe the damn RINOS want OBAMACARE to be around for the 2014 cycle.


4 posted on 09/20/2013 2:04:11 AM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

We are hitting them all..RNC, NRCC, NRSC, state orgs, senators and congress reps!!!
FIGHT!


5 posted on 09/20/2013 2:12:54 AM PDT by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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To: RedMDer

It is up to the voters to let their elected official know (multiple times) that they DON’T WANT Obamacare - and if their Senators and Reps don’t fight this (regardless of what said elected official believes is going to happen to THEM in the media if they stand and fight against it) that they will answer to the voters who have their finger on the button - those “crawl across broken glass” voters who KNOW the difference between self-serving politicians and those doing what they were sent there to do.


6 posted on 09/20/2013 2:15:51 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I agree.

I think we should make the phone calls. It won’t hurt and it just takes a few minutes to dial them up. We should at least give them the opportunity to do the right thing. If they fail, then at least we’ve done OUR job.


7 posted on 09/20/2013 2:16:17 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: rrrod
FIGHT!

BUMP!

8 posted on 09/20/2013 2:16:44 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: RKBA Democrat
I think we should make the phone calls. It won’t hurt and it just takes a few minutes to dial them up. We should at least give them the opportunity to do the right thing. If they fail, then at least we’ve done OUR job.

And be sure to mention that we're on to this legislation massaging and manipulation and that "their" vote is OUR vote and we will not fall for the ususal "we had to" blah, blah, BS.

Tell them it's time for them to smarten up, we have.

9 posted on 09/20/2013 2:19:59 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Turn up the heat. Primary all RINOS.


10 posted on 09/20/2013 2:25:53 AM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: RedMDer; All
WSJ: Washington Sees Incomes Soar as Most of U.S. Declines "American incomes have tumbled over the last decade. But for many people in Washington, D.C., it’s been something of a party.

The income of the typical D.C. household rose 23.3% between 2000 and 2012 to an inflation-adjusted $66,583, according to the Census Bureau’s American Community Survey, its most comprehensive snapshot of America’s demographic, social and economic trends. During this period, median household incomes for the nation as a whole dropped 6.6% — from $55,030 to $51,371. The state of Mississippi, which had one of the biggest declines, dropped 15% to $37,095: Nearly one in three people there have an income that is near the poverty line.

The Washington, D.C. metro area — which includes the surrounding suburbs in Maryland, Virginia and West Virginia — has it even better, with a median household income of $88,233 that ranks highest among the U.S.’s 25 most populous metro areas. Tampa, Florida’s median income, by contrast, is under $45,000............................."

11 posted on 09/20/2013 2:45:22 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“Everyone must keep emailing their Senators and Representatives.”

Thank you for the reminder. I just emailed Senator Nelson D,FL and Senator Rubio, R(Sort-of), FL. The note to Nelson was especially difficult. I don’t think it will do any good unless they’re wavering. Here’s my note to Nelson.

Dear Senator Nelson,

I understand you’re a Democrat and that you voted for Obamacare. All of us make mistakes. Now that we clearly understand how damaging this “we-must-pass-the-bill-to-see-what-is-in-it” legislation is, I urge you to reconsider and vote to defund it. The damage caused by this legislation is real and ongoing. It will force Americans to work fewer hours and to continue working well into our old age. Please vote to defund this damaging legislation now.

Kind regards,


12 posted on 09/20/2013 3:01:03 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Gen.Blather; All

We need to contact Rush and Shawn and all media outlets and ask them to get out information on Reid’s plan to use the “Amendment Strike” to “clean up” the House CR.

Let them know we aren’t ignorant. Let them know we lived through the Corn Husker Kickback, and all those lies as Reid and Pelosi shoved this down our throats.

Tell them to get in front of this deception. We do “GET IT” if it is BROADCAST to us, so we are informed.

Instruct them to get their ARTICULATE members out there to put this before the public - We the People - who are going to suffer if this isn’t de-funded and repealed.

That is unless THEY don’t want us to understand how it works up there.........


13 posted on 09/20/2013 3:39:34 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; Lakeshark
“It doesn’t seem to make much sense to vote 'no' on a bill that contains the defund-ObamaCare provision,” said Senate Republican Whip John Cornyn (Texas). “I don’t know anybody in our conference who’s for ObamaCare, so I think they’d vote 'yes' to get on a bill to defund it.”

Which is exactly what Cruz is trying to do...force the GOP fossils in the Senate out into the open and publicly take a strand either for or against Obamacare. That's why they hate him so much.

14 posted on 09/20/2013 3:56:08 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: RedMDer

Now that is the answer!


15 posted on 09/20/2013 4:04:00 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Timber Rattler

But read the entire article. Reid can go back after this is all nicely passed and then CHANGE it (and pass with a simple majority) because he will have the “Amendment to Strike” attached that will allow him to “clean up” the House language and kick out a clean CR.

This information NEEDS to be UNDERSTOOD.

It allows the Senators to say that they voted for defunding Obamacare and then they’ll just throw up their hands and say, Reid changed it and we couldn’t do anything about it.

By NOT KNOWING that this is their “out” we don’t have a chance to tell them we KNOW what is going on and that we want THEM to get out there - on the news shows and in print - and TELL everyone that this is what Reid is going to do. It is their obligation and duty to inform their constituents.

And if they don’t they are part and parcel of this maneuver.


16 posted on 09/20/2013 4:25:37 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

17 posted on 09/20/2013 5:31:04 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

“To Serve Man”

It’s a cookbook!


18 posted on 09/20/2013 5:37:38 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Exactly. To Serve Man. I’ll add it to the meme.


19 posted on 09/20/2013 5:44:25 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

20 posted on 09/20/2013 5:53:42 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

Good job.

All the wonderful government “handouts” are fattening them up for the kill.


21 posted on 09/20/2013 6:11:28 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: RedMDer
I believe the damn RINOS want OBAMACARE to be around for the 2014 cycle forever.

Fixed your typo there. You're welcome! :-)

22 posted on 09/20/2013 8:07:59 AM PDT by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
And if they don’t they are part and parcel of this maneuver.

True. kinda like the fact that every single bill before the legislooters is supposed to be read aloud in session.

They almost always have a "unanimous consent" vote to skip that. What this means is that because it only takes one legislooter to speak up and force a roll call vote on that, it means that every single one is complicit in passing laws that haven't even been read.

23 posted on 09/20/2013 8:11:47 AM PDT by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I think Boner’s new found testicles are merely a Halloween costume.


24 posted on 09/20/2013 8:48:04 AM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

If you vote to strike something that isn’t there, it still is not funded.


25 posted on 09/20/2013 9:00:18 AM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: RKBA Democrat

I noticed when E-mail my rep, they only accept e-mails from within their district, are phone calls more effective?


26 posted on 09/20/2013 9:06:13 AM PDT by jaydubya2
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The crap that Reid and McCain and the rest of them get away with is sickening. They’ve got all kinds of ways to ram it down the peoples’ throats. Yet they keep getting elected. I’m even more convinced that our votes don’t count. Even if they’re actually counted, they still don’t “count”. And before too long all the people will have is fake ballots and no real bullets.


27 posted on 09/20/2013 10:13:52 AM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: zeugma

We haven’t had a senate in decades. It’s a House of Lords.


28 posted on 09/20/2013 10:16:01 AM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; All
This is from Senate Conservatives...

Senate Republicans Must Oppose Cloture to Stop Harry Reid's Plan to Fund Obamacare

"Any Republican who votes for cloture is voting to fund Obamacare."

ALEXANDRIA, VA — Today, the Senate Conservatives Fund (SCF) called on Senate Republicans to oppose cloture on Harry Reid's attempt to fund Obamacare with a simple majority.

SCF Executive Director, Matt Hoskins, made the following statement:

"Americans won a major victory today when the House passed legislation to fund the government without funding Obamacare, but now the debate shifts to the Senate where Harry Reid and the Democrats will try to fund Obamacare. The Democrats have a plan to fund Obamacare, but Republicans can stop it if they stick together.

"Harry Reid needs 60 votes to approve his plan to fund Obamacare. If 41 Republicans stand strong and oppose cloture, they can defeat Reid's plan to fund Obamacare. However, if Republicans waffle and vote for cloture, it will grease the skids for Reid's plan to fund Obamacare. It's pretty simple — any Republican who votes for cloture is voting to fund Obamacare.

"This is a critical test for Senate Republicans and especially for Mitch McConnell, the Republican Leader. It's time for Mitch McConnell to show some leadership and deliver the 41 votes needed to defeat cloture on Harry Reid's plan to fund Obamacare. Republicans like to say they are against Obamacare, but now is the time to prove it. Now is when it matters."

Senate Conservatives Fund (SCF) is an independent, grassroots organization that advocates for conservative policies in Washington and helps elect true conservative leaders to the United States Senate.

29 posted on 09/20/2013 10:17:35 AM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs stay silent.)
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To: Jane Long
Senate Republicans Must Oppose Cloture to Stop Harry Reid's Plan to Fund Obamacare

That is Right! Everyone needs to follow this closely.

30 posted on 09/20/2013 10:54:36 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"Reid will not strip the defunding language until after he has passed the 60-vote cloture hurdle. The key move is to make sure an amendment to change the language is pending before the final vote to end debate. "

So anyone who doesn't prevent that is a supporter of Obamacare.

EVERYTHING else is Kabuki.

31 posted on 09/20/2013 11:12:28 AM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: mrsmith

“...... Reid’s first move would be to schedule a vote to end debate on proceeding to the House continuing resolution. This would require 60 votes. Republican senators would vote to proceed to the bill because it would including the language to defund ObamaCare.

Then he would fill the amendment tree, defining what amendments could be considered in relation to the House legislation.

Reid would be sure that one of the pending amendments is a so-called “amendment to strike,” which would allow him schedule a future vote on stripping the language defunding ObamaCare and prioritizing debt payments.....”

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/323447-senate-sees-a-way-forward-on-government-funding-bill

The GOP needs to get out there and MAKE SURE this sight of hand by Reid hits all the “airways.” This is what the Left does. They stack the deck. We have Obamacare because they stacked the deck. Now they want to have a rerun.


32 posted on 09/20/2013 11:24:04 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: jaydubya2

“I noticed when E-mail my rep, they only accept e-mails from within their district, are phone calls more effective?”

Yes. Faster too. Keep in mind, though, that they use caller ID and can tell where you’re calling from. If you’re calling a rep from VA and the area code you’re calling from is CO, they’re going to know it.


33 posted on 09/20/2013 12:19:55 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; All
Tell your Senators to OPPOSE the CR if it funds Obamacare.

From Senate Conservatives...

Senate Republican Whip List

Contact info/status HERE.

Democratic Leader Harry Reid needs 60 votes to fund Obamacare, but there are only 54 Democrats in the Senate. If Republicans hold strong, they can stop it.

Tell the Republicans to sign Senator Mike Lee's letter pledging to OPPOSE the government spending bill ("CR") if it funds Obamacare.

NOTE: If they say they SUPPORT bills to defund Obamacare, that does not help us because those bills won't be considered and don't have to pass. We need them to OPPOSE the CR if it funds Obamacare. The CR must be passed in September and it is our only point of leverage.

34 posted on 09/20/2013 1:12:53 PM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs stay silent.)
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To: RKBA Democrat; mssmith; All

Roll Call:

“Updated 1:20 p.m. | Sen. Ted Cruz said Friday that Republican senators should, in effect, filibuster the House-passed continuing resolution in the Senate.

The Texas Republican is calling on his colleagues to oppose limiting debate on it, warning against what he calls procedural trickery.

“Step two is the Senate, where all accounts suggest Harry Reid plans to use procedural gimmicks to try to add funding back in for Obamacare,” Cruz said. “If Reid pursues this plan — if he insists on using a 50-vote threshold to fund Obamacare with a partisan vote of only Democrats — then I hope that every Senate Republican will stand together and oppose cloture on the bill in order to keep the House bill intact and not let Harry Reid add Obamacare funding back in.”

“Now is a time for party unity; Senate Republicans should stand side-by-side with courageous House Republicans,” Cruz said.

The statement underscores the unwinnable procedural hand faced by conservative senators, however. They know that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid will move to strike out the Obamacare defunding language after getting the 60 votes needed to limit debate, but they can’t stop him without effectively endorsing a government shutdown........”

http://blogs.rollcall.com/wgdb/filibuster-the-house-cr-some-conservatives-say-yes/


35 posted on 09/20/2013 1:14:09 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Jane Long

Check post #35.


36 posted on 09/20/2013 1:15:06 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

It’s a game of brinksmanship. I’m not convinced that the gop wants to win it, but you go with what you’ve got.

On Oct 2, the House should adjourn until November 1. Leave a phone number where they can be reached if the Senate wants to talk. Otherwise, go home. Fight the propaganda battle back in their districts. Do the same thing on November 2nd. If dingy harry and dear leader want to play hardball, then let’s play hardball.


37 posted on 09/20/2013 1:24:32 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The pilot called the airline and asked “What time does the 2:30 flight leave for Islamabad?” It’s a play on an old Hudson and Landry skit.


38 posted on 09/20/2013 1:26:35 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: CivilWarBrewing

“I think Boner’s new found testicles are merely a Halloween costume.”

I tend to agree, but we’ll see. He’s retiring. He might come to decide that he likes this kind of role. Tell the Senate to go screw. Adjourn for a month. Then go play golf in some exotic location. Just like dear leader.


39 posted on 09/20/2013 1:27:08 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Good article. Thanks for the link and ping....

“Step two is the Senate, where all accounts suggest Harry Reid plans to use procedural gimmicks to try to add funding back in for Obamacare,” Cruz said. “If Reid pursues this plan — if he insists on using a 50-vote threshold to fund Obamacare with a partisan vote of only Democrats — then I hope that every Senate Republican will stand together and oppose cloture on the bill in order to keep the House bill intact and not let Harry Reid add Obamacare funding back in.”

40 posted on 09/20/2013 1:27:19 PM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs stay silent.)
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To: jaydubya2

I want to change my answer: do both.


41 posted on 09/20/2013 1:54:07 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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