Posted on 09/20/2013 4:29:03 AM PDT by spirited irish
The heresy razor.
What is said about one’s belief
they say-————— about our beliefs -——— about their beliefs
we say-—————— about our beliefs -——— about their beliefs
antitrinitarians say —valid; acceptable -——— Valid; The only True interpretation
“Trinitarians say -— Valid, correct, “only True”-— Invalid, heretical
Basically, there is only one case where the heretical viewpoint is true. The best action in ALL cases is for the heretics to stop posting on Free Republic. Jesus wasn’t polite to heretics, and asking for ‘forbearance’ is asking more from FR than Christ asked of Himself.
Geez, what a bunch of hogwash you’re pushing here.
The heresy razor.
What is said about one’s belief
they say-————— about our beliefs -——— about their beliefs
we say-—————— about our beliefs -——— about their beliefs
antitrinitarians say —valid; acceptable -——— Valid; The only True interpretation
“Trinitarians say -— Valid, correct, “only True”-— Invalid, heretical
Basically, there is only one case where the heretical viewpoint is true. The best action in ALL cases is for the heretics to stop posting on Free Republic. Jesus wasn’t polite to heretics, and asking for ‘forbearance’ is asking more from FR than Christ asked of Himself.
The heresy razor.
What is said about one’s belief
they say-————— about our beliefs -——— about their beliefs
we say-—————— about our beliefs -——— about their beliefs
antitrinitarians say —valid; acceptable -——— Valid; The only True interpretation
“Trinitarians say -— Valid, correct, “only True”-— Invalid, heretical
Basically, there is only one case where the heretical viewpoint is true. The best action in ALL cases is for the heretics to stop posting on Free Republic. Jesus wasn’t polite to heretics, and asking for ‘forbearance’ is asking more from FR than Christ asked of Himself.
The heresy razor.
What is said about one’s belief
they say-————— about our beliefs -——— about their beliefs
we say-—————— about our beliefs -——— about their beliefs
antitrinitarians say —valid; acceptable -——— Valid; The only True interpretation
“Trinitarians say -— Valid, correct, “only True”-— Invalid, heretical
Basically, there is only one case where the heretical viewpoint is true. The best action in ALL cases is for the heretics to stop posting on Free Republic. Jesus wasn’t polite to heretics, and asking for ‘forbearance’ is asking more from FR than Christ asked of Himself.
The heresy razor.
What is said about one’s belief
they say-————— about our beliefs -——— about their beliefs
we say-—————— about our beliefs -——— about their beliefs
antitrinitarians say —valid; acceptable -——— Valid; The only True interpretation
“Trinitarians say -— Valid, correct, “only True”-— Invalid, heretical
Basically, there is only one case where the heretical viewpoint is true. The best action in ALL cases is for the heretics to stop posting on Free Republic. Jesus wasn’t polite to heretics, and asking for ‘forbearance’ is asking more from FR than Christ asked of Himself.
The heresy razor.
What is said about one’s belief
they say-————— about our beliefs -——— about their beliefs
we say-—————— about our beliefs -——— about their beliefs
antitrinitarians say —valid; acceptable -——— Valid; The only True interpretation
“Trinitarians say -— Valid, correct, “only True”-— Invalid, heretical
Basically, there is only one case where the heretical viewpoint is true. The best action in ALL cases is for the heretics to stop posting on Free Republic. Jesus wasn’t polite to heretics, and asking for ‘forbearance’ is asking more from FR than Christ asked of Himself.
The Founders part of the question can be ignored, because the Lord Thy God and/or —————— hath declared thee ‘heretic.’
Was Jesus Polite to False Teachers?
Matthew 23
Code: BQ62411
Many Christians today are greatly concerned about the rising influences of communism, humanism, secularism, and social injustice. Yet those evils, great as they are, do not together pose the threat to Christianity that false shepherds and pastors do. Throughout the history of redemption, the greatest threat to God’s truth and God’s work has been false prophets and teachers, because they propose to speak in His name. That is why the Lord’s most scathing denunciations were reserved for the false teachers of Israel, who claimed to speak and act for God but were liars.
Yet for some reason, evangelical Christianity is often hesitant to confront false teachers with the seriousness and severity that Jesus and the apostles did, and that the godly prophets before them had done. Today, more than at any time in modern history and perhaps more than at any time in the history of the church, pagan religions and cults are seriously encroaching on societies that for centuries have been nominally Christian. Even within the church, many ideas, teachings, and philosophies that are little more than thinly veiled paganism have become popular and influential. As in ancient Israel, the further God’s people move away from the foundation of His Word, the more false religion flourishes in the world and even in their own midst. At no time have Christians had greater need to be discerning. They need to recognize and respect true godly shepherds who feed them God’s Word and build them up in the faith, and they also must recognize and denounce those who twist and undermine God’s Word, who corrupt the church and who lead lost people still further away from God’s truth and from salvation.
In Matthew 23:13–33 Jesus relentlessly condemned the false spiritual leaders of Israel, in particular the scribes and Pharisees, who then held the dominant power and influence in Judaism. Jesus warned about them in His first sermon, the Sermon on the Mount (see, e.g., 5:20; 7:15), and His last sermon (Matt. 23) consists almost entirely of warnings about them and to them. In this final public message, the Lord wanted to draw the people away from those false leaders and turn them to the true teaching and the godly examples of His apostles, who would become His uniquely commissioned and endowed representatives on earth during the early years of the church. He also gave the apostles themselves a final example of the confrontational stance they would soon find it necessary to take in their proclamation and defense of the gospel.
The unbelieving scribes and Pharisees whom Jesus addressed in the Temple stood alone in their sin and were condemned alone in their guilt for misappropriating and perverting God’s law and for leading Israel into heresy, just as the false prophets among their forefathers had done (vv. 30–32). But they also stood as models of all false spiritual leaders who would come after them. Therefore what Jesus said about them and to them is of much more than historical significance. It is essential instruction for dealing with the false leaders who abound in our own day.
In the first twelve verses of chapter 23, Jesus had declared that the scribes and Pharisees, typical of all false spiritual leaders, were without authority, without integrity, without sympathy, without spirituality, without humility, and therefore without God’s approval or blessing. Now speaking to them directly, He asserts they are under God’s harshest condemnation. In verses 13–33 Jesus pronounces seven curses, or woes, on those wicked leaders.
The scene in the Temple that day had become volatile in the extreme, in some ways more volatile than when Jesus had cast out the merchants and money-changers the day before. At that time Jesus’ anger was vented against what the religious leaders were doing outwardly, and that attack had outraged them (21:16, 23). Now, however, He attacked what they were inwardly, and that infuriated them even more.
In our day of tolerance and eclecticism, the kind of confrontation Jesus had with the scribes and Pharisees seems foreign and uncharitable. A person who speaks too harshly against a false religion or unbiblical teaching or movement is considered unkind, ungracious, and judgmental. Jesus’ indictments in Matthew 23, as well as in other parts of the gospels, are so inconsistent with the idea of Christian love held by some liberal theologians and Bible scholars, for example, that they conclude He could not have spoken them. What Jesus really said, they maintain, was modified and intensified either by the gospel writers or the sources from whom they received their information.
But the nature of Jesus’ condemnation of those corrupt religious leaders is perfectly consistent with the rest of Scripture, both the Old Testament and the New. Not only that, but Jesus’ words in this passage fly from His lips, as someone has said, like claps of thunder and spears of lightning. Out of His mouth on this occasion came the most fearful and dreadful statements that Jesus uttered on earth. They do not give the least impression of being the afterthought of an overzealous writer or copyist.
Matthew 23 is one of the most serious passages in Scripture. Jesus here makes the word hypocrite a synonym for scribe and for Pharisee. He calls them sons of hell, blind guides, fools, robbers, self-indulgent, whitewashed tombs, full of hypocrisy and lawlessness, serpents, vipers, and persecutors and murderers of God’s people. He uttered every syllable with absolute self-control but with devastating intensity.
Yet Jesus was never cold or indifferent, even toward His enemies, and on this occasion His judgment is mingled with sorrow and deep pathos. It is not the Son’s will any more than the Father’s that a single person perish, because it is the gracious divine desire that everyone would come to repentance and salvation (2 Pet. 3:9). At the end of His denunciation, Jesus extended by implication another last invitation for belief, suggesting that He would still gladly gather any unbelievers under His wings as a mother hen gathers her chicks, if only they would be willing (Matt. 23:37).
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A jew who tried to get a thread shut down because the gospel was preached to her has an opinion on what is and is not christian heresy. Perhaps this jew could answer the question that her pantheistic partner refuses to ask: How many gods are there in the UCG pantheon? There’s only one God in the jewish religion. To come alongside a pantheist and create further discord is quite telling.
“Imethinkitus”
LOL good one! Lots of that on the RF.
Not at all, I take the context as presented here.
I agree that if you wish to believe Revelation 1:8 asserts that Jesus is God, that's one possible reading -- mistaken but understandable.
The more reasonable explanation -- in proper context -- reads
But I respect your reading, and would not condemn you as a "God Damned Heretic".
I ask of you the same forbearance and respect for those who, historically and today, have seen it differently.
Of course, evidence is there, but you'd have to read it.
Obviously, you preach another gospel from that of the Apostle Paul, since Paul never preached the Trinity.
But I don't condemn you, or curse you, or call you "God Damned Heretic".
I think your mistakes are entirely understandable, and should be allowed to rise or fall on their own merits.
I am merely asking your same forbearance and respect for those who read the New Testament correctly.
The correct translation in Isaiah 44:6 for those various names of God is:
This is what Yahweh says:
I am the first and the last,
and there is no Elohim except me.
All of these are names of God, not a Davidic king of Israel.
CynicalBear: "You keep denying that Jesus was God come in the flesh."
FRiend, here is a listing of every translation of 1 John 4:3.
Read them all.
You will see that not one of them translates as you claim here: "Jesus was God come in the flesh".
Indeed, the very point of 1 John 4:3 is to emphasize that Jesus was fully human, a fact with which I of course agree.
CynicalBear: "You have consistently denied that Jesus is The mighty God, The everlasting Father and thus are expressing antichrist theology."
I've done nothing of the sort.
I've pointed out that those words in Isaiah 9:6, as in other references (i.e., Psalms 45:6), are terms of highest possible respect & love for a human king.
There's nothing "anti-Christ" about it, simply correct translation of the authors' original intent.
I'm supposing, based on your previous posts, that you left off the implied " </sarc> " sign?
Bingo BroJoe; I knew you’d get it. My ex-boyfriend who’s on this thread; him not so bright. He can read something 14,700 times or more and still not get the point or understand the question put to him. Oh well; he was always beauty, not brains.
13 “I was watching in the night visions, And behold, One like the Son of Man, Coming with the clouds of heaven! He came to the Ancient of Days, And they brought Him near before Him. 14 Then to Him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, That all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion, Which shall not pass away, And His kingdom the one Which shall not be destroyed.(NKJV)
Revelation 1:
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants—things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John, 2 who bore witness to the word of God, and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, to all things that he saw. 3 Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the time is near.
4 John, to the seven churches which are in Asia:
Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne, 5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth.
To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood, 6 and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.
7 Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.
8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
9 I, John, both your brother and companion in the tribulation and kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was on the island that is called Patmos for the word of God and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. 10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet, 11 saying, “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last,” and, “What you see, write in a book and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia: to Ephesus, to Smyrna, to Pergamos, to Thyatira, to Sardis, to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.”
12 Then I turned to see the voice that spoke with me. And having turned I saw seven golden lampstands, 13 and in the midst of the seven lampstands One like the Son of Man, clothed with a garment down to the feet and girded about the chest with a golden band. 14 His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and His eyes like a flame of fire; 15 His feet were like fine brass, as if refined in a furnace, and His voice as the sound of many waters; 16 He had in His right hand seven stars, out of His mouth went a sharp two-edged sword, and His countenance was like the sun shining in its strength. 17 And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. 18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death. 19 Write the things which you have seen, and the things which are, and the things which will take place after this. 20 The mystery of the seven stars which you saw in My right hand, and the seven golden lampstands: The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands which you saw are the seven churches.(NKJV)
I bolded portions of Revelation 1 we have not discussed yet. I kind of figured your argument would include shifting subject objects in the earlier passage, so now included the "booth review" verses. Meaning there is no question in the bolded passages that the same Son of Man we see in Daniel 7:13 is discussed above as Jesus Christ Son of God. Key phrase of linkage is "Alpha and Omega" "the First and the Last" "I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore." So there is no question "the First and the Last" is Jesus Christ. Which then brings us to:
Isaiah 44:
6 “Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: ‘I am the First and I am the Last; Besides Me there is no God. 7 And who can proclaim as I do? Then let him declare it and set it in order for Me, Since I appointed the ancient people. And the things that are coming and shall come, Let them show these to them. 8 Do not fear, nor be afraid; Have I not told you from that time, and declared it? You are My witnesses. Is there a God besides Me? Indeed there is no other Rock; I know not one.’”(NKJV)
Upon further review from the 'booth', you lose a timeout.
That is EXACTLY what you have exoressed,
That is EXACTLY what you have exoressed,
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