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Pope Says Church Is ‘Obsessed’ With Gays, Abortion and Birth Control
New York Times Europe ^ | 9/19/13 | Laurie Goodstein

Posted on 09/20/2013 6:49:48 AM PDT by schmootman

SNIP Six months into his papacy, Pope Francis sent shock waves through the Roman Catholic church on Thursday with the publication of his remarks that the church had grown “obsessed” with abortion, gay marriage and contraception, and that he had chosen not to talk about those issues despite recriminations from critics.

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His Holiness seems to be living in an alternate universe. Most peoples' connection with Church doctrine comes in the form of Mass homilies. When was the last time you heard a homily on abortion, contraception or homosexual behavior. I don't see the "obsession"!
1 posted on 09/20/2013 6:49:48 AM PDT by schmootman
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To: schmootman

Your Holiness,

Liberals are obsessed with gays, abortion, and birth control.

Sincerely,

lesko


2 posted on 09/20/2013 6:53:31 AM PDT by lesko
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To: schmootman

If he denies that these are vital issues in the RCC and every other denomination, he is blind. Just because he says it, that does not make it true.


3 posted on 09/20/2013 6:53:57 AM PDT by shankbear (The tree of Liberty appears to be perishing because there are few patriots willing to refresh it.)
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To: schmootman

hummm, I don’t know what to make of this, perhaps we’ll know more shortly.


4 posted on 09/20/2013 6:54:45 AM PDT by exPBRrat
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To: schmootman

“I see clearly,” the pope continues, “that the thing the church needs most today is the ability to heal wounds and to warm the hearts of the faithful; it needs nearness, proximity. I see the church as a field hospital after battle. It is useless to ask a seriously injured person if he has high cholesterol and about the level of his blood sugars! You have to heal his wounds. Then we can talk about everything else. Heal the wounds, heal the wounds…. And you have to start from the ground up.

I know what the Pope means here, and he’s right: there is so very much more to Christianity than its teachings on sexuality and abortion. But this is where I think he goes badly wrong: his remarks will be received as the Pope saying that this stuff doesn’t matter all that much. Francis can’t claim he was misquoted or that the article gave the wrong emphasis, because he personally approved it before publication. He may not have intended it this way, but it will be taken as such by a people, especially in Europe and North America, who have closed their hearts and minds to the Church’s unchanging message on these topics, precisely because these are the hardest things for modern people to accept.

Look at the weight the media, who amplify his words, put on the homosexuality, contraception, and abortion parts of a very long interview. The world wants to be told, “It’s okay, do what you like.” He no doubt doesn’t mean at all for that to be the lesson of his words, but that’s how they will be received.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/pope-francis-the-era-of-jp2-benedict-is-over/


5 posted on 09/20/2013 6:57:21 AM PDT by massmike (Why doesn't Obama just declare Syria a "chemical weapons-free zone"?)
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To: schmootman
“Obsessed”? Liberals use this word often when they want to make a moral standard illegitimate.
6 posted on 09/20/2013 7:00:41 AM PDT by ryan71 (The Partisans)
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To: schmootman

Makes me glad I’m not dependent on a “man” for my understanding of our Lord. This MAN is turning out to be a buffoon.


7 posted on 09/20/2013 7:03:54 AM PDT by Artcore
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To: schmootman
Agreed, but churches are being forced into positions by society where they must defend their stand, and in so doing it seems, at least outwardly, that the Gospel becomes secondary.

The church is called upon by God to be a plumb line for society to use in measuring how far or near it is to the mark.

I am not Roman Catholic, but that is how I read the Pope's remarks.

8 posted on 09/20/2013 7:05:52 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: schmootman

I’ll read the original remarks and not the spin that the NY Slimes puts on it.


9 posted on 09/20/2013 7:08:51 AM PDT by Mercat
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To: Artcore

Obsessed about the murder of MILLIONS of unborn babys? Yes okay this obsession is SINFUL in what manner......

Thank God I dont require a pope.


10 posted on 09/20/2013 7:09:51 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( Un-Documented Journalist / Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team)
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To: schmootman

I posted the interview yesterday, and the NY Slimes is woefully and willingly wrong....the Pope’s message was not what the headline implies.

The Pope is, I think, speaking without regard as to how his words will be misconstrued by the mass media.


11 posted on 09/20/2013 7:10:15 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: MeshugeMikey

Obsessed about the murder of MILLIONS of unborn babys? Yes okay this obsession is SINFUL in what manner......

Thank God I dont require a pope.
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Exactly!


12 posted on 09/20/2013 7:12:44 AM PDT by Artcore
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To: schmootman

It’s in reaction to the supporters of gays and abortion being so “obsessed” with the Church.


13 posted on 09/20/2013 7:12:52 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: lesko

those who are obsessed with it are liberals and liberaltarians, OK .they are virtually the same

If these groups stopped pushing their agenda then we would not have to raise the issues to defend the family and children.


14 posted on 09/20/2013 7:14:01 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: schmootman

From his past comments it seems to me that the Pope is just as “obsessed” by these topics to have discussed them at length. How about the Pope really putting his money where his mouth is and getting rid of some of his blasphemous bishops?


15 posted on 09/20/2013 7:19:04 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: massmike

BUMP


16 posted on 09/20/2013 7:20:23 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Fester Chugabrew

This guy could be running the RNC. Seems uncomfortable with people who are actually trying to abide by their moral principles. They are inconvenient to the hierarchy’s obsessive desire for “inclusiveness” that has ruined virtually all of the mainline Protestant churches.


17 posted on 09/20/2013 7:23:24 AM PDT by littleharbour ("All men having power ought to be distrusted to a certain degree. ~ James Madison)
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To: schmootman

Maybe Francis doesn’t attend Mass on a regular basis. I only remember one visiting priest warning us about gays getting into the priesthood. i am also a three time Grand Knight. I NEVER heard anything about Contraception and we only talk about Abortion when we make a donation the the Respect Life committee and add something to the end of the Pledge of Allegiance. (You’ll have to become a 1st Degree Knight to find out what it is).


18 posted on 09/20/2013 7:25:31 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: MeshugeMikey

I have a couple of questions. If any of you kind Catholic folks will take the time to answer, I’d really appreciate it.

1. Why do y’all call pope “Holy” “Father” even with capital H and F? Being a non-Catholic, I don’t understand how a person, an elected/selected(?) official of a church organization, could be addressed as such. To me, there is only one Holy Father and He is our God.

2. Why do you pray TO saints? After all, they were human beings here. I pray only to God in Jesus’ Name.

3. My neighbor told me that she does not believe Jesus had brothers. I don’t want to get into a religious discussion with a neighbor, so I don’t ask her.

These are sincere questions and I am not being sarcastic.
Thanks in advance.


19 posted on 09/20/2013 7:26:29 AM PDT by Chong
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To: Artcore

Given the popes recent FATWA against the scriptures...stating that atheists were candidates for sainthood...I have zero respect for his theology.


20 posted on 09/20/2013 7:26:43 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( Un-Documented Journalist / Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team)
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To: schmootman

What was that saying ... “Let he who is without sin ...”?


21 posted on 09/20/2013 7:26:56 AM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: schmootman

Seems to me like the MSM is doing their typical fast-and-loose translation from the original Italian.


22 posted on 09/20/2013 7:26:58 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: schmootman

I read the interview. I may have missed it because it is long, but don’t see that the Pope used the word obsessed like the NYT says he did. Anyone else got more info?


23 posted on 09/20/2013 7:30:11 AM PDT by amihow
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To: Chong

Im not Catholic.

I dont get why “popes” take on new names when they are elevated to the CEO position within the Catholic chirch...

I dont get why Catholic Church took so long to use the ENGLISH LANGUAGE in English speaking societies...

My list of “don’t get”s goes on and on


24 posted on 09/20/2013 7:30:18 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( Un-Documented Journalist / Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team)
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To: massgopguy

In the mainstream Church, I’ve only heard one homily that referenced contraception, and that was in the early 1990’s( a very courageous young priest at a Saturday Evening Mass; you know that would he said didn’t go over well with the flock!). I’ve heard condemnations of contraception at Latin Masses celebrated by groups like the Fraternity of St. Peter, but those priests were preaching to the choir.


25 posted on 09/20/2013 7:36:18 AM PDT by Bridesheadfan
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To: MeshugeMikey

Well, at least I am not the only “curious” one then.
Thanks for your reply.


26 posted on 09/20/2013 7:43:42 AM PDT by Chong
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To: Artcore

“This MAN is turning out to be a buffoon.”

Bingo! The term ‘false Prophet’ comes to mind.


27 posted on 09/20/2013 7:45:21 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: schmootman

This dude is a serious dissappouintment

“obsessed” with the vicious murder of children?

Yes, if you want to call it that


28 posted on 09/20/2013 7:48:03 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: SoFloFreeper

“The Pope is, I think, speaking without regard as to how his words will be misconstrued by the mass media.”

Then he should shut his mouth. He has done the same kind of speaking multiple times now. There is a pattern emerging, and it isn’t a good one for Catholicism.


29 posted on 09/20/2013 7:48:38 AM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: lesko
Exactly. I hear christians and republicans being criticized all the time for 'obsessing' on gays and abortion, when it is obviously very much in the interests of the left to keep these issues alive - the right is simply responding to their constant attacks.

The left intentionally leaves the right with two alternatives - fight or surrender. The Pope seems to be endorsing the latter.

30 posted on 09/20/2013 7:51:40 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Chong

I have never been given an adequate answer as to why Catholics..Pray to Mary. which would be Most Unbiblical.

This Pope, and here I must admit little knowledge of previous popes... seems to be far more concerned with “liberal” social issues than the GOSPEL


31 posted on 09/20/2013 7:53:30 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( Un-Documented Journalist / Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team)
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To: Chong

“1. Why do y’all call pope “Holy” “Father” even with capital H and F? Being a non-Catholic, I don’t understand how a person, an elected/selected(?) official of a church organization, could be addressed as such. To me, there is only one Holy Father and He is our God.

2. Why do you pray TO saints? After all, they were human beings here. I pray only to God in Jesus’ Name.

3. My neighbor told me that she does not believe Jesus had brothers. I don’t want to get into a religious discussion with a neighbor, so I don’t ask her.”

You don’t believe these things because you are not Catholic. So stay not Catholic and you won’t have to worry about any of the above.


32 posted on 09/20/2013 7:53:55 AM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: schmootman
Is Francis, "Peter the Roman" ??
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

33 posted on 09/20/2013 7:54:31 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: yldstrk

I’d like to know the Italian word he that was translated as “obsessed”. Sometimes the underlying intent gets lost in traslation.


34 posted on 09/20/2013 7:54:32 AM PDT by grania
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To: Chong
1. Why do y’all call pope “Holy” “Father” even with capital H and F? Being a non-Catholic, I don’t understand how a person, an elected/selected(?) official of a church organization, could be addressed as such. To me, there is only one Holy Father and He is our God.

Answer.

2. Why do you pray TO saints? After all, they were human beings here. I pray only to God in Jesus’ Name.

Do you recite a creed which includes a belief in "the communion of saints?" If so, that will be good common ground for understanding. Just as we ask each other in the flesh for prayers (the Church Militant), so we do with those we believe to already be in Heaven (the Church Triumphant)... we are asking for their spiritual support. Even when it comes to the much-maligned "Hail Mary", we ask Her to "... pray for us sinners now and at the hour of death."

3. My neighbor told me that she does not believe Jesus had brothers. I don’t want to get into a religious discussion with a neighbor, so I don’t ask her.

The early Church Fathers (who were closer to the actual events) declared that Jesus had no brothers or sisters through Mary. That isn't to say that Joseph didn't have children prior to his betrothal to Mary (he was fairly old) or cousins. In the Aramaic, these relationships don't have unique identifications... they are simply siblings of some relation.

I hope this helps and that I have not written anything that would cause someone to stumble. Please forgive typos... on an iPhone.

35 posted on 09/20/2013 8:11:30 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: littleharbour
Seems uncomfortable with people who are actually trying to abide by their moral principles.

Yes. So does another person, namely Christ Jesus. Have you ever heard His scathing words to the Scribes and the Pharisees who were "actually trying to abide by their moral principles?" Self-attained moral uprightness only goes so far, but the forgiveness of sin in Christ Jesus for poor sinners - including those who by all accounts are "on the other side" - lifts a broken body of death into the highest heaven. "But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy and not sacrifice.'"

36 posted on 09/20/2013 8:13:59 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Chong

I invite you to my homepage (click my name) for more topics from previous threads. These things tend to repeat on here.


37 posted on 09/20/2013 8:15:53 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: Chong
People can believe anything they choose 2 Timothy 4:3-4. It doesn't make it Biblical. Which is a good reason to follow after the Lord according to His word, and His word alone.

1. Revelation 15:4, Isaiah 40:25, Psalm 111:19, Matthew 23:9

2. 1 Timothy 2:5, 1 John 2:1, John 14:13-14

3. Mark 3:31-34

38 posted on 09/20/2013 8:18:27 AM PDT by 444Flyer (How long O LORD? Habakkuk 2;Isaiah 55)
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To: schmootman
Don't read the Times analysis of the Pope's words or message. The Church's stance has not changed. He said, in one portion of the speech, that these handful of issues are not the only things that we should be talking about. Basically, it's all that AND MORE that needs to be said and done.

The Times would have you think the Pope is okay with gay marred priests paying for abortions.

Plenty of Libs like to remind me that Jesus went to me sinners. They conveniently forget the part where he urges them to turn away from sin. He didn't condemn the adulterer -- but he did tell her to go and sin no more.

39 posted on 09/20/2013 8:18:37 AM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Rome didn't fall in a day, either.)
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To: shankbear
Just because he says it, that does not make it true.

Whoa! Haven't you heard that the Pope is infallible? Everything he says comes directly from the mouth of God. /sarcasm

40 posted on 09/20/2013 8:21:01 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne ("How long, O Lord, holy and true?" - Rev. 6:10)
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To: flaglady47
You don’t believe these things because you are not Catholic. So stay not Catholic and you won’t have to worry about any of the above.

"Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect." - 1 Peter 3:15

41 posted on 09/20/2013 8:26:26 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne ("How long, O Lord, holy and true?" - Rev. 6:10)
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To: schmootman

I think he is barking up the wrong tree. The embrace of a more conservative, less Vatican II, papacy has been very popular except among the left and those that despise the church, always have and always will.

People look to the church for moral stability, not revolution theology, not trendy cultural fashion, nor internationalism outside of their faith.

Thus the papacy should call for greater charity from the wealthy, not higher taxes on the wealthy to supposedly benefit the poor; they should call for governments to reform and embrace the faith, and by doing so to invite prosperity, not for refugees to flee their homes and emigrate to other lands; and the papacy should have long ago learned that socialism is a dead end that causes suffering, not liberation.


42 posted on 09/20/2013 8:55:39 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (The best War on Terror News is at rantburg.com)
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To: grania

maybe it meant bogged down, but even so, this dude needs to get a hold of his tongue


43 posted on 09/20/2013 8:58:35 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: flaglady47

GREAT answer, if people don’t want to find out, too bad about ‘em.

however, Catholic is the Way


44 posted on 09/20/2013 9:00:50 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: schmootman

This pope is a disaster. Yet what can one expect from one who follows in the footsteps (ideologically) of John XXIII and Paul VI.


45 posted on 09/20/2013 9:00:59 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: Dr. Thorne
Whoa! Haven't you heard that the Pope is infallible? Everything he says comes directly from the mouth of God. /sarcasm

This isn't Catholic doctrine.

"There are not more than 100 people in the world who truly hate the Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they perceive to be the Catholic Church. ....As a matter of fact, if we Catholics believed all of the untruths and lies which were said against the Church, we probably would hate the Church a thousand times more than they do." -- Abp Fulton J. Sheen

How do you square your sarcasm with the Scripture quote in the next post?

46 posted on 09/20/2013 9:09:15 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: schmootman

The Pope may be the anti Christ?? I have no idea, but let`s cut to the chase. The Pope is and never was Holy! There is no mention of the Pope in my Bible, that I read daily. He is and has always been just a man.

There is only one mediator between man and God, and that is Christ Jesus! We are not to pray to Mary, though she is very special no doubt, but we don’t ask Mary into our life, Mary did not die on cross for our sins

There is no purgatory , we are not to pray to man, as do so many Catholics, praying to so called “Saints”

A Saint is just a simple Christian, this whole idea about Sainting people as the Catholic Church does is simply ridiculous and NOT Scriptural

Not Catholic, but only a Christian, but time for people to see that the Catholic Church is dead, just like most/all of main line Churches

Get behind me Satan


47 posted on 09/20/2013 9:12:52 AM PDT by Friendofgeorge (SARAH PALIN 2016 OR BUST)
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To: schmootman

New King James Version (NKJV)

Matthew 23:9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.


48 posted on 09/20/2013 9:21:04 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

People need to look to Jesus and the Scriptures, nobody else.

The Catholic Church cant re write the Bible, though I am sure they would if they thought they could get away with it,

Jehovah`s Witness have to re write their Bible on a regular basis to keep up with the errors pointed out to them.

This idea that people might come to Christ if we would only say their sin is not sin??? Ridiculous

I am a sinner saved by Grace, The Pope is going the same way as Joel Osteen, he wont say that sin is sin.

Pressed by Larry King about 5 times, finally on the question of... is homosexuality a sin?? Joel finally can only say,,,”well it`s not God`s best”

Oprah Winfrey enjoys Joel Osteen because he wont say that her relationship with her live in boyfriend is sin.

The Bible says in the end times people will make it all up as they go along.

Listening to Father Jonathon on Fox News today was pretty pathetic.

The Bible does not play down sin, there is no reason that anybody should.

People cant be forgiven for their sins if they say their sin is not sin. And to say their sin is not sin, is to call God a liar


49 posted on 09/20/2013 9:25:44 AM PDT by Friendofgeorge (SARAH PALIN 2016 OR BUST)
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To: faucetman

AMEN and AMEN


50 posted on 09/20/2013 9:26:14 AM PDT by Friendofgeorge (SARAH PALIN 2016 OR BUST)
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