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Pope Says Church Is ‘Obsessed’ With Gays, Abortion and Birth Control
New York Times Europe ^ | 9/19/13 | Laurie Goodstein

Posted on 09/20/2013 6:49:48 AM PDT by schmootman

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To: Fester Chugabrew
You want to know who the scribes and the Pharisees are? They aren't the average Catholic/Christian in the pew who tries to live their life according to the Gospel. The Pharisees are people like Cardinal Mahoney, who put on air of sanctimony, but while pretending to be "holy", they shuffle around priests who abused minors and try to cover it up. Caiaphas, Annas and the priests were the people Our Lord was talking about, not the average Jewish believer who was led astray by the Priests.

The people who have been fighting the "culture of death" need to be applauded by the Pope, not told they are "obsessed" with it. Real children are dying in abortuaries. If the Pope wants to save them, he should uphold those who do God's work in this area, and not give reasons for glee to the enemies of Christ like NARAL, who sent a personal "thank you" message to Francis yesterday. That disgusts me, and it should disgust anyone, Catholic, Christian or Jew, who has tried to uphold the right to life for all, from conception until natural death.

51 posted on 09/20/2013 9:30:49 AM PDT by Bridesheadfan
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To: exPBRrat

The Catholic Church is now simply a cult


52 posted on 09/20/2013 9:33:03 AM PDT by Friendofgeorge (SARAH PALIN 2016 OR BUST)
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To: Friendofgeorge
Father Jonathan was probably high on hallucinogenics when interviewed. I despise the limp wristed, weak priests who try to cover up for the Church instead of calling a spade a spade.

We need a St. Pius X, or a Gregory the Great. Instead we have Pope Bozo the first.

53 posted on 09/20/2013 9:33:42 AM PDT by Bridesheadfan
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To: Bridesheadfan

But doesn`t the average Catholic now vote Democrat, at least a small majority, according to the polls I see.

At least a majority of Catholics now vote Democrat, which means they are good with abortion and gay marriage and a liberal supreme court, which in turn means they are Not Christian


54 posted on 09/20/2013 9:36:00 AM PDT by Friendofgeorge (SARAH PALIN 2016 OR BUST)
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To: Friendofgeorge

Yessir, those Catholics who vote for Obama and other pro-aborts are no longer Catholic. But the people Francis targeted weren’t those people, but the few that have remained faithful to the teaching of the Church.


55 posted on 09/20/2013 9:37:40 AM PDT by Bridesheadfan
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To: schmootman
"When was the last time you heard a homily on abortion, contraception or homosexual behavior?"

I can tell you that in my Catholic church, NEVER.

Lots of pleas for more $$$, and a nice homily opposing the death penalty, and oh, yeah, the St. Francis celebration where pets are blessed.

Where does the Pope see Catholic priests "obsessing" over abortion or homosexuality?

Let me know, I wouldn't mind hearing such a Mass.

56 posted on 09/20/2013 9:46:45 AM PDT by boop ("You don't look so bad, here's another")
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To: shankbear

Mehh ~ Once a jesuit always a jesuit, the ones who cling to their ‘liberation theology’.

This COULD BE the Harlot (Pope) that rides the Beast System (U.S.A.)

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57 posted on 09/20/2013 9:50:39 AM PDT by Para-Ord.45 ( Americans, happy in tutelage by the reflection that they have chosen their own dictators.)
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To: schmootman

I’m very sadly amazed at my fellow FReepers who question everything out of the MSM except misquotes of Catholic clergy. Go read his words for yourself and find that he was actually saying the Gospel is bigger than narrow special interests. These areas are important but they are not the full message of salvation.


58 posted on 09/20/2013 10:03:28 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: pgyanke
I’m very sadly amazed at my fellow FReepers who question everything out of the MSM except misquotes of Catholic clergy. Go read his words for yourself and find that he was actually saying the Gospel is bigger than narrow special interests. These areas are important but they are not the full message of salvation.


59 posted on 09/20/2013 10:08:32 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: schmootman

Gee, next he will be accusing pro-lifers of having a love affair with the fetus.


60 posted on 09/20/2013 10:14:34 AM PDT by DangerZone (If the left had their way, all of America would be as safe as Sandy Hook Elementary.)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

I read the whole article. The Pope used the word “obsessed”. If he was mistranslated, he needs to say so immediately.


61 posted on 09/20/2013 10:27:56 AM PDT by schmootman
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To: pgyanke; flaglady47

pgyanke,

Thanks for your reply and explanation. I will go check out your homepage when I get a chance and read up. We may not agree on every issue, but it’s nice to have someone reply in ernest.

flaglady47,
Grow up.


62 posted on 09/20/2013 10:29:20 AM PDT by Chong
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To: schmootman

I don’t believe the Pope used the word “obsessed” so why the quotes?


63 posted on 09/20/2013 10:33:39 AM PDT by Antoninus (Sorry, gone rogue.)
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To: Antoninus

Did you read the article?


64 posted on 09/20/2013 10:39:36 AM PDT by schmootman
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To: Chong

I always enjoy the conversation. May God bless you.


65 posted on 09/20/2013 11:13:48 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: Bridesheadfan; Friendofgeorge
Yessir, those Catholics who vote for Obama and other pro-aborts are no longer Catholic.

How can you say that when the most prominent and honored Catholics in America are pro-abort democrat party leaders?

When the Kennedys receive the full pomp and ceremony of the Catholic church on their deaths, and Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden meets with their Pope and take communion at the Vatican, don't you think it rings false to claim that voting democrat is a no-no for Catholics?

The face of the Catholic church in America is largely democrat party leaders.

66 posted on 09/20/2013 11:40:43 AM PDT by ansel12 ( 'I'm on That New Obama Diet... Every Day I Let Vladimir Putin Eat My Lunch' .)
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To: ansel12

You are correct. It’s a public scandal, and Rome has done nothing about it(and with the current Pope, likely won’t for a long time). But it doesn’t mean that the Church’s official teaching supports the Democrats. The Catholic Church isn’t just the reigning Pope, or the local Bishop. It’s a belief that goes back 2,000 years. If the present hierarchy is unfaithful to the patrimony that was handed down to them, it doesn’t invalidate the Faith itself. Judas betrayed Christ. Peter denied Him. But they were both Apostles.


67 posted on 09/20/2013 5:14:01 PM PDT by Bridesheadfan
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To: Chong

“flaglady47,
Grow up.”

Your comments were insulting, subtly so, but nevertheless insulting. Such as in a my religion is better than your religion is way. Rubbed me wrong, and I suspect it did so with other Catholics also. There are ways of asking a question, and the manner you chose to do so, wreaked of a superiority complex. Read your questions again.


68 posted on 09/20/2013 6:17:51 PM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: Bridesheadfan

It is the the way the Catholic church operates, and has my entire life, this goes back generations and is not related to this new pope.

Catholic democrats are the Catholic royalty in America.


69 posted on 09/20/2013 6:40:21 PM PDT by ansel12 ( 'I'm on That New Obama Diet... Every Day I Let Vladimir Putin Eat My Lunch' .)
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To: flaglady47

Well, I read my questions again as you asked. I guess one could have taken it as I was being judgmental as you did, although I really am curious and was looking for some kind of explanation. That explanins your rather snippy reply. (Well, it was?) :-( You see, that’s why I don’t ask my next door neighbor Catholic!

Anyway, I didn’t mean to rub anybody the wrong way. I really want to know and understand where you are coming from.

Superior complex, I don’t have. If anything, I have inferior complex. Presbyterian I am and I feel guilty about everything, ha! Peace, sister.

By the way, I still don’t have any clear answers.


70 posted on 09/20/2013 7:22:16 PM PDT by Chong
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To: ansel12
Well, there's a heresy that Pope Leo XIII called "Americanism" that extolled work and labor over prayer, and devotion to the true religion. Most of the hierarchy in this country even prior to Vatican II were adherents of this error. They put politics over the Faith. Men like Cardinal Spellman and Cushing were Americanists and Democrats who put politics before faith. Their platitudes sounded like the kind of "public welfare" statements you would find in comic books and news media extolling all kinds of natural solutions to problems that really only have, from a Christian point of view, supernatural solutions. They allied themselves with FDR and the other Democrats. And it reaped disaster for the Catholic Church in this country. And we're still living through that disaster, and it shows no signs of abating.

Only prayer and fasting can cast out this demon. Socialism and liberation theology have taken over the Church right up to the very throne of Peter, and we need to pray that the Bishops of the Catholic Church wake up soon.

71 posted on 09/20/2013 9:23:16 PM PDT by Bridesheadfan
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To: flaglady47; Chong

She asked an honest question. An honest answer is the better approach.


72 posted on 09/21/2013 8:46:36 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: pgyanke

“She asked an honest question. An honest answer is the better approach.”

I gave her one. Put your specs on. It was the way she asked her questions. Read them again.


73 posted on 09/21/2013 9:16:32 AM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: flaglady47

I recommend a thicker skin when posting on here. If we take personal umbrage at every perceived slight, we’ll never get to the positive dialog. I have had many uplifting conversations from initially negative comments. In the end, the results aren’t up to us and the slights aren’t against us (in a religious conversation).


74 posted on 09/21/2013 10:17:17 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: ansel12; Bridesheadfan

Yep and show me a Cardinal, or whatever they call themselves nowdays, that isn`t fawning over filthy Democrat politicians at various celebrity dinners


75 posted on 09/21/2013 7:33:11 PM PDT by Friendofgeorge (SARAH PALIN 2016 OR BUST)
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