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College-educated workers are taking jobs that don't require degrees
Los Angeles Times ^ | September 20, 2013 | By Alana Semuels

Posted on 09/20/2013 4:37:39 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

College graduates are tending bar and driving taxis, pushing people without degrees out of those jobs.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: bhoeconomy; failure; generationy; obamanomics; workforce
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Thank Obama.
1 posted on 09/20/2013 4:37:39 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

They were doing that in the 1970s.

The common joke was PhD’s driving cabs and flipping burgers.


2 posted on 09/20/2013 4:38:46 PM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

A good many jobs requiring degrees really don’t.


3 posted on 09/20/2013 4:39:21 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The Baraqqi “new normal”

Stockman’s book says we have fewer “breadwinner” level jobs now than 1998.

NYCers are demanding a Masters degree for their nannys.


4 posted on 09/20/2013 4:40:36 PM PDT by nascarnation (Democrats control the Presidency, Senate, and Media. It's an uphill climb....)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

My son, younger daughter, and most of their college-degree friends are working either blue-collar jobs are routine office jobs: bartending, retail sales, warehousing, accounts payable, nursery work, handyman work, and so forth.


5 posted on 09/20/2013 4:40:41 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Oh, amen .... but I don't see why a degreed taxi driver would be preferable (to the employer or the customer) to a man who really knows his way around (in London, they call it "the Knowledge", and prospective London cabbies are examined in it before they get their rides).

Of course, and I think it was Jerry Seinfeld who once pointed it out, a good way to start a 55-minute argument is to ask a foursome of Manhattanites to tell you the best way to get from Columbus Circle to Battery Park.

6 posted on 09/20/2013 4:41:15 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Having already spent money and time on degrees for jobs that were outsourced to India, some in the workplace have opted to do jobs that can’t be sent overseas (like transportation service, etc.) and don’t require spending more money to get a new degree.


7 posted on 09/20/2013 4:41:17 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

What else are English majors supposed to do? (I can say that because I’m and English major)


8 posted on 09/20/2013 4:42:01 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Steve_Seattle

My cousin drove a Chicago hack for a while, while working on one of his degrees. Now he’s a dean at a western midsize campus.


9 posted on 09/20/2013 4:42:12 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: TomGuy

They were doing that during the Great Depression. My father’s Brooklyn public school yearbook was filled with teachers who had Harvard and Yale degrees.


10 posted on 09/20/2013 4:42:22 PM PDT by miss marmelstein ( Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: lentulusgracchus

The cab drivers (off the boat) in my city don’t know the basic roads and have total reliance on mapping software telling them when and where to turn.


11 posted on 09/20/2013 4:42:27 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Gee, I wonder what the ILLEGALS will do now?

Go home?

/sarc


12 posted on 09/20/2013 4:44:06 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: nickcarraway
(I can say that because I’m and English major) [emphasis, Roccus]

Ooookay....

13 posted on 09/20/2013 4:44:20 PM PDT by Roccus
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To: lentulusgracchus

Oh, the answer to that used to be easy: just take Broadway all the way down. Now with that stupid pedestrian mall in Times Square...


14 posted on 09/20/2013 4:44:32 PM PDT by miss marmelstein ( Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: nickcarraway

(I can say that because I’m and English major)

Houston, we have a problem.


15 posted on 09/20/2013 4:44:51 PM PDT by Segovia
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To: nickcarraway
What else are English majors supposed to do?

Go back to your high school and bitch-slap your "counselor" for giving you a bum steer.

There are professional HR products that test aptitude and can give students a steer in the right direction, when the outcomes are put together with current salary and career-arc info. School counselors not doing that are stealing their paychecks.

16 posted on 09/20/2013 4:44:59 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: cripplecreek

You are correct.
When you interview people even for a grunt job, the degree person is more likely to be hired, the reasoning (even thought it maybe flawed) is that is shows the person can start and complete something.
When I was interviewing, I found it a ridiculous premiss. Although a person with AA, is a good bet, someone with a masters is not going to stay in a grunt job.


17 posted on 09/20/2013 4:45:39 PM PDT by svcw (Stand or die)
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To: Roccus; Segovia

I never said I was good at typing - I’m terrible.


18 posted on 09/20/2013 4:48:18 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: a fool in paradise

For the last 30 years my husband has worked for overseas companies in the US, that makes him out sourced.
First the Danish, now the Japaneses.
People are demanding 24/7 customer service so companies are employing people around the world to answers phones, we will never go back to M-F, 8-5 phone service.


19 posted on 09/20/2013 4:48:47 PM PDT by svcw (Stand or die)
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To: cripplecreek
A good many jobs requiring degrees really don’t.

The best supervisors in my plant came from the ranks of the production workers.......

Once the corporation started hiring "college degreed" individuals for supervision, without an ounce of plant production experience, it went downhill from there......

A college degree may work in the corporate office, but on the plant floor, there is no substitute for actual experience......

20 posted on 09/20/2013 4:50:52 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Ms. Muffett suffered from arachnophobia)
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To: lentulusgracchus

I am joking - being an English major turned out okay for me. But I would like to gibe the counselor a piece of my mind. She was sandbagging us behind the scenes at universities she didn’t want us attending. She desperately wanted me to to two schools that were a terrible fit for me.


21 posted on 09/20/2013 4:51:22 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
She desperately wanted me to to two schools that were a terrible fit for me.

Really? What exactly did she have in mind?

Say, are you the guy I talked to one time who said he went to Fordham?

22 posted on 09/20/2013 5:01:14 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: cripplecreek

A good many jobs requiring degrees really don’t.


Yep...my job but you don’t need it....but the job requires it...make sense?


23 posted on 09/20/2013 5:03:21 PM PDT by chasio649
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To: chasio649

I’m a high school drop out who stumbled into robotics and ended up running the department. The only real difference was that other department heads made more money than I did.

There is no better school than on the job training.


24 posted on 09/20/2013 5:10:13 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Hot Tabasco
A college degree may work in the corporate office, but on the plant floor, there is no substitute for actual experience......

Bump. Essayist James Fallows once wrote a long article on "credentialism", the new official religion (with statist "scientific" materialism), and pretty much took it apart like a broiled chicken. Think it appeared in The Atlantic Monthly back in, umm, about 1984. How dare he.

25 posted on 09/20/2013 5:10:30 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
A college degree these days is the functional equivalent of a what a high school diploma was 40 years ago. These days the first job a lot of these college graduates get is after they graduate from college. I started working when I was 15 and worked through college and law school.

I have been unemployed exactly 6 months in my entire life, and that was only because I was on unemployment and was not really trying all that hard to find a job. Right after my unemployment ran out, I amazingly found work the next day.

26 posted on 09/20/2013 5:12:16 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: cripplecreek

Time for a raise, or to leave for another job. They’re stiffing you, using education as an excuse. Your productivity is your credential, and if your productivity is equal to the other managers’, then upper management is screwing you “on principle” — which is no principle at all.


27 posted on 09/20/2013 5:12:27 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: P-Marlowe

Depends on specific subject area. I doubt if a high school could turn out a 4-year engineering student let alone a physician. But where liberal arts are concerned... that’s typically a big self flattering hog wallow and standards sink as low as their ability to be ashamed.


28 posted on 09/20/2013 5:14:26 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: nickcarraway

how about just getting a minor

LOL


29 posted on 09/20/2013 5:14:54 PM PDT by bigheadfred (INFIDEL)
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To: lentulusgracchus

Days gone by. If I had really wanted the money I probably could have taken the minimal courses and gotten the money.


30 posted on 09/20/2013 5:15:18 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

GMAFB

No dishonor to cleaning toilets, roofing or driving a taxi, degree or no degree. Basic supply and demand - more and more people with college degrees, the less value one has. Sure, a few generations ago any BA at all was a pretty good foot in the door to the fast track, but no longer. BFD, we’re all in the same boat; a degree is a *start* not a finish.

All a degree means is that you can learn,and perhaps even understand information of a level requiring literacy, a modicum of research and seat time and regurgitate same in a manner agreeable with the paradigm of your professors.

Of course it could mean much more, in some disciplines, but I worked in a warehouse, and then a guitar factory with my BA, didn’t whine, learned as much as a temp worker on a production line as I ever could have sitting in a classroom.


31 posted on 09/20/2013 5:15:33 PM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: cripplecreek

Do you need a college degree for sales? I think college is overrated these days. Look at the physical therapy Field you need a degree to move some arms and legs how about a guidance counselor they make 120k in NY do you deed a degree for that? Just saying.


32 posted on 09/20/2013 5:17:20 PM PDT by angcat
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To: P-Marlowe
I have been unemployed exactly 6 months in my entire life, and that was only because I was on unemployment

ahhhhh....but you were working the system....

LOL

33 posted on 09/20/2013 5:17:52 PM PDT by bigheadfred (INFIDEL)
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To: nickcarraway

What else are English majors supposed to do?”

I found my degree in English to be very useful when I worked in the operations department of a grain company and wrote budget justifications. Of course also having degrees in accounting and electrical engineering certainly helped.

I do write a lot to my Senator and Congressmen but you don’t need a degree to do that as it’s easier for them to understand if I keep the comprehension level at about the third grade.


34 posted on 09/20/2013 5:18:01 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

You know, I dont recall ever seeing an Engineer, Mathematician, Scientist, or IT guy taking jobs that didn’t require degrees.

Must be something to do with degrees ending in “studies”.


35 posted on 09/20/2013 5:19:48 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Grams A

What color of crayon do you use?


36 posted on 09/20/2013 5:21:02 PM PDT by bigheadfred (INFIDEL)
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To: bigheadfred

This is what happens when we send akall the kids to college. They get degrees that are worth nothing. I know a few that dot degrees in pottery. Then they end up washing dishes and owing thousands of dollars to the schools. Some get a good job but most have no work ethics. I know some that went to college for 20 years and still no job.


37 posted on 09/20/2013 5:21:44 PM PDT by Busko (The only thing that is certain is that nothing is certain.)
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To: angcat

College today is high school of the 40’s and 50’s.


38 posted on 09/20/2013 5:22:16 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Busko

I have a cousin that was a professional student.


39 posted on 09/20/2013 5:27:15 PM PDT by bigheadfred (INFIDEL)
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To: nickcarraway

“(I can say that because I’m and English major)”

“and English major”?


40 posted on 09/20/2013 5:30:03 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: angcat

Sure we need brain surgeons, physicists, and engineers but we really need builders and makers. I think the insightful Mike Rowe really nailed it with this speech from a few years ago.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2650612/posts

Those college educated people should be only the best and brightest out on the cutting edge and they should make very good money doing so. The builders and makers should make enough to support their families and live without fear of being broke next week.


41 posted on 09/20/2013 5:30:46 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: taxcontrol

“College today is high school of the 40’s and 50’s.”

BINGO!


42 posted on 09/20/2013 5:30:47 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: chasio649
A good many jobs requiring degrees really don’t. Yep...my job but you don’t need it....but the job requires it...make sense?

graphics is really bad about this because all the failed artistes need teaching jobs. assuming both can teach well i would rather have a HS grad working at a design firm for 5 years teaching me adobe photoshop than a guy with minimum software but knows the difference between monet and manet, but the graphics school mafia has to protect itself from self taught folks.

43 posted on 09/20/2013 5:35:55 PM PDT by bravo whiskey (We should not fear our government. Our government should fear us.)
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To: svcw

One of the most useless things on the face of the planet is a city born and raised collage grad doing a grunt job.

If you don’t keep your eye on them every minute they will get themselves or someone else hurt or killed.

Most can’t or wont learn.

Every day it’s something else they are doing that an uneducated kid from the country would know not to do.


44 posted on 09/20/2013 5:37:25 PM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: bigheadfred

What color of crayon do you use?”

That’s funny. Actually last year I found some great patriotic themed coloring books for kids and I bought an extra one and a box of crayons and sent them to Cornyn for Christmas. Reminds me that I never received a thank you note. How rude of him!


45 posted on 09/20/2013 5:40:53 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

From my past experience, thats all most are qualified for.


46 posted on 09/20/2013 5:43:05 PM PDT by DeWalt
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To: Grams A

Where did you send them?


47 posted on 09/20/2013 5:44:11 PM PDT by bigheadfred (INFIDEL)
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To: IMR 4350

I actually get your point.
Tried explaining to my husband, that I am not a city girl, I am so uncomfortable in a big city (about 50K is my limit)
He said wait you grew up in SO California, but I grew up in rural communities, with people who were practical and HARD working - repeat practical
There are hard working people everywhere, but I find city folk pompous and condescending.
So again, totally get what you are putting down. ;-)


48 posted on 09/20/2013 5:46:04 PM PDT by svcw (Stand or die)
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To: cripplecreek

Times are hard now. I remember having to drop out of college and come home to Chicago. 1980. I put out the word I was looking for work and got two offers to work at the CBOT, another to be a cop and another to work for selling this new thing called a cell phone. All paid around $500.00 a week with benefits.


49 posted on 09/20/2013 5:54:22 PM PDT by Blackirish (Forward Comrades!!!!!!!!!)
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To: nascarnation

Interesting that no one is seeking a Master’s degree for a stay at home wife and mother.


50 posted on 09/20/2013 5:56:46 PM PDT by tbw2
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