Skip to comments.College-educated workers are taking jobs that don't require degrees
Posted on 09/20/2013 4:37:39 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
College graduates are tending bar and driving taxis, pushing people without degrees out of those jobs.
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They were doing that in the 1970s.
The common joke was PhD’s driving cabs and flipping burgers.
A good many jobs requiring degrees really don’t.
The Baraqqi “new normal”
Stockman’s book says we have fewer “breadwinner” level jobs now than 1998.
NYCers are demanding a Masters degree for their nannys.
My son, younger daughter, and most of their college-degree friends are working either blue-collar jobs are routine office jobs: bartending, retail sales, warehousing, accounts payable, nursery work, handyman work, and so forth.
Of course, and I think it was Jerry Seinfeld who once pointed it out, a good way to start a 55-minute argument is to ask a foursome of Manhattanites to tell you the best way to get from Columbus Circle to Battery Park.
Having already spent money and time on degrees for jobs that were outsourced to India, some in the workplace have opted to do jobs that can’t be sent overseas (like transportation service, etc.) and don’t require spending more money to get a new degree.
What else are English majors supposed to do? (I can say that because I’m and English major)
My cousin drove a Chicago hack for a while, while working on one of his degrees. Now he’s a dean at a western midsize campus.
They were doing that during the Great Depression. My father’s Brooklyn public school yearbook was filled with teachers who had Harvard and Yale degrees.
The cab drivers (off the boat) in my city don’t know the basic roads and have total reliance on mapping software telling them when and where to turn.
Gee, I wonder what the ILLEGALS will do now?
Oh, the answer to that used to be easy: just take Broadway all the way down. Now with that stupid pedestrian mall in Times Square...
(I can say that because Im and English major)
Houston, we have a problem.
Go back to your high school and bitch-slap your "counselor" for giving you a bum steer.
There are professional HR products that test aptitude and can give students a steer in the right direction, when the outcomes are put together with current salary and career-arc info. School counselors not doing that are stealing their paychecks.
You are correct.
When you interview people even for a grunt job, the degree person is more likely to be hired, the reasoning (even thought it maybe flawed) is that is shows the person can start and complete something.
When I was interviewing, I found it a ridiculous premiss. Although a person with AA, is a good bet, someone with a masters is not going to stay in a grunt job.
I never said I was good at typing - I’m terrible.
For the last 30 years my husband has worked for overseas companies in the US, that makes him out sourced.
First the Danish, now the Japaneses.
People are demanding 24/7 customer service so companies are employing people around the world to answers phones, we will never go back to M-F, 8-5 phone service.
The best supervisors in my plant came from the ranks of the production workers.......
Once the corporation started hiring "college degreed" individuals for supervision, without an ounce of plant production experience, it went downhill from there......
A college degree may work in the corporate office, but on the plant floor, there is no substitute for actual experience......
I am joking - being an English major turned out okay for me. But I would like to gibe the counselor a piece of my mind. She was sandbagging us behind the scenes at universities she didn’t want us attending. She desperately wanted me to to two schools that were a terrible fit for me.
Really? What exactly did she have in mind?
Say, are you the guy I talked to one time who said he went to Fordham?
A good many jobs requiring degrees really dont.
Yep...my job but you don’t need it....but the job requires it...make sense?
I’m a high school drop out who stumbled into robotics and ended up running the department. The only real difference was that other department heads made more money than I did.
There is no better school than on the job training.
Bump. Essayist James Fallows once wrote a long article on "credentialism", the new official religion (with statist "scientific" materialism), and pretty much took it apart like a broiled chicken. Think it appeared in The Atlantic Monthly back in, umm, about 1984. How dare he.
I have been unemployed exactly 6 months in my entire life, and that was only because I was on unemployment and was not really trying all that hard to find a job. Right after my unemployment ran out, I amazingly found work the next day.
Time for a raise, or to leave for another job. They’re stiffing you, using education as an excuse. Your productivity is your credential, and if your productivity is equal to the other managers’, then upper management is screwing you “on principle” — which is no principle at all.
Depends on specific subject area. I doubt if a high school could turn out a 4-year engineering student let alone a physician. But where liberal arts are concerned... that’s typically a big self flattering hog wallow and standards sink as low as their ability to be ashamed.
how about just getting a minor
Days gone by. If I had really wanted the money I probably could have taken the minimal courses and gotten the money.
No dishonor to cleaning toilets, roofing or driving a taxi, degree or no degree. Basic supply and demand - more and more people with college degrees, the less value one has. Sure, a few generations ago any BA at all was a pretty good foot in the door to the fast track, but no longer. BFD, we’re all in the same boat; a degree is a *start* not a finish.
All a degree means is that you can learn,and perhaps even understand information of a level requiring literacy, a modicum of research and seat time and regurgitate same in a manner agreeable with the paradigm of your professors.
Of course it could mean much more, in some disciplines, but I worked in a warehouse, and then a guitar factory with my BA, didn’t whine, learned as much as a temp worker on a production line as I ever could have sitting in a classroom.
Do you need a college degree for sales? I think college is overrated these days. Look at the physical therapy Field you need a degree to move some arms and legs how about a guidance counselor they make 120k in NY do you deed a degree for that? Just saying.
ahhhhh....but you were working the system....
What else are English majors supposed to do?”
I found my degree in English to be very useful when I worked in the operations department of a grain company and wrote budget justifications. Of course also having degrees in accounting and electrical engineering certainly helped.
I do write a lot to my Senator and Congressmen but you don’t need a degree to do that as it’s easier for them to understand if I keep the comprehension level at about the third grade.
You know, I dont recall ever seeing an Engineer, Mathematician, Scientist, or IT guy taking jobs that didn’t require degrees.
Must be something to do with degrees ending in “studies”.
What color of crayon do you use?
This is what happens when we send akall the kids to college. They get degrees that are worth nothing. I know a few that dot degrees in pottery. Then they end up washing dishes and owing thousands of dollars to the schools. Some get a good job but most have no work ethics. I know some that went to college for 20 years and still no job.
College today is high school of the 40’s and 50’s.
I have a cousin that was a professional student.
“(I can say that because Im and English major)”
“and English major”?
Sure we need brain surgeons, physicists, and engineers but we really need builders and makers. I think the insightful Mike Rowe really nailed it with this speech from a few years ago.
Those college educated people should be only the best and brightest out on the cutting edge and they should make very good money doing so. The builders and makers should make enough to support their families and live without fear of being broke next week.
“College today is high school of the 40s and 50s.”
graphics is really bad about this because all the failed artistes need teaching jobs. assuming both can teach well i would rather have a HS grad working at a design firm for 5 years teaching me adobe photoshop than a guy with minimum software but knows the difference between monet and manet, but the graphics school mafia has to protect itself from self taught folks.
One of the most useless things on the face of the planet is a city born and raised collage grad doing a grunt job.
If you don’t keep your eye on them every minute they will get themselves or someone else hurt or killed.
Most can’t or wont learn.
Every day it’s something else they are doing that an uneducated kid from the country would know not to do.
What color of crayon do you use?”
That’s funny. Actually last year I found some great patriotic themed coloring books for kids and I bought an extra one and a box of crayons and sent them to Cornyn for Christmas. Reminds me that I never received a thank you note. How rude of him!
From my past experience, thats all most are qualified for.
Where did you send them?
I actually get your point.
Tried explaining to my husband, that I am not a city girl, I am so uncomfortable in a big city (about 50K is my limit)
He said wait you grew up in SO California, but I grew up in rural communities, with people who were practical and HARD working - repeat practical
There are hard working people everywhere, but I find city folk pompous and condescending.
So again, totally get what you are putting down. ;-)
Times are hard now. I remember having to drop out of college and come home to Chicago. 1980. I put out the word I was looking for work and got two offers to work at the CBOT, another to be a cop and another to work for selling this new thing called a cell phone. All paid around $500.00 a week with benefits.
Interesting that no one is seeking a Master’s degree for a stay at home wife and mother.