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American gun use is out of control. Shouldn't the world intervene? [Massive hurl alert]
The Observer ^ | 21 September 2013 | Henry Porter

Posted on 09/21/2013 10:14:54 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows

Last week, Starbucks asked its American customers to please not bring their guns into the coffee shop. This is part of the company's concern about customer safety and follows a ban in the summer on smoking within 25 feet of a coffee shop entrance and an earlier ruling about scalding hot coffee. After the celebrated Liebeck v McDonald's case in 1994, involving a woman who suffered third-degree burns to her thighs, Starbucks complies with the Specialty Coffee Association of America's recommendation that drinks should be served at a maximum temperature of 82C.

Although it was brave of Howard Schultz, the company's chief executive, to go even this far in a country where people are better armed and only slightly less nervy than rebel fighters in Syria, we should note that dealing with the risks of scalding and secondary smoke came well before addressing the problem of people who go armed to buy a latte. There can be no weirder order of priorities on this planet.

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Talking to American friends, I always sense a kind of despair that the gun lobby is too powerful to challenge and that nothing will ever change. The same resignation was evident in President Obama's rather lifeless reaction to the Washington shooting last week. There is absolutely nothing he can do, which underscores the fact that America is in a jam and that international pressure may be one way of reducing the slaughter over the next generation. This has reached the point where it has ceased to be a domestic issue. The world cannot stand idly by.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: banglist; europeanunion; eussr; globalagenda; guncontrol; liberalagenda; liberallies; redjackets; secondamendment; unitedkingdom
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MOLON LABE, poofter!
1 posted on 09/21/2013 10:14:54 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows
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To: Slings and Arrows
I'm thinkin' that most have too many to count.

Each generation adds to the hoard.

2 posted on 09/21/2013 10:19:19 PM PDT by Paladin2 (h)
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To: Slings and Arrows

With what army?

What Good Can a Handgun Do Against An Army?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2312894/posts


3 posted on 09/21/2013 10:20:31 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the mainland US There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Well, being as we need American troops to support the Muslim Brotherhood and Al Queda in their wars against sovereign Arab states, we will need the UN Blue Helmets to intervene and confiscate guns from those American Bible thumping criminals.


4 posted on 09/21/2013 10:21:58 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Makes me happy I bought a new shotgun yesterday.


5 posted on 09/21/2013 10:26:19 PM PDT by BigCinBigD (...Was that okay?)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Come get em....


6 posted on 09/21/2013 10:26:35 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Henry Porter = globalist bankster shill

Come and get it, dirtbag. Bring your ‘international friends’ with you. I have my glaser slugs loaded.


7 posted on 09/21/2013 10:27:00 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Slings and Arrows

Bring it Henry. I’m tired of holding back while listening to you metrosexual libtard know-it-alls. Let’s get this over with.


8 posted on 09/21/2013 10:28:17 PM PDT by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Chicago might reach 500 murders, Caracas might reach 4,000


9 posted on 09/21/2013 10:28:31 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Viennacon
Come and get it, dirtbag. Bring your ‘international friends’ with you. I have my glaser slugs loaded.

You're got expensive taste in ammo. These turkeys aren't worth more than MilSurp FMJ.

10 posted on 09/21/2013 10:29:17 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: BigCinBigD

Congrats on the new addition to your family.


11 posted on 09/21/2013 10:29:54 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Slings and Arrows
Behind every blade of grass, sucka!
12 posted on 09/21/2013 10:30:03 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Slings and Arrows
But what if we no longer thought of this as just a problem for America and, instead, viewed it as an international humanitarian crisis – a quasi civil war, if you like, that calls for outside intervention? As citizens of the world, perhaps we should demand an end to the unimaginable suffering of victims and their families – the maiming and killing of children

The annual toll from firearms in the US is running at 32,000 deaths and climbing, even though the general crime rate is on a downward path (it is 40% lower than in 1980). If this perennial slaughter doesn't qualify for intercession by the UN and all relevant NGOs, it is hard to know what does

Yeah, good luck with all of that buddy.

13 posted on 09/21/2013 10:30:23 PM PDT by RC one
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To: Slings and Arrows

“the second amendment right to keep and bear arms, and is derived from English common law and our 1689 Bill of Rights. We dispensed with these rights long ago”

Says it all. That’s why your a mind controlled slave who doesn’t have any rights.


14 posted on 09/21/2013 10:30:30 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: GeronL

Won’t Tutu Boy be disappointed!


15 posted on 09/21/2013 10:30:34 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

16 posted on 09/21/2013 10:30:36 PM PDT by Paladin2 (h)
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To: Viennacon

I have to wonder if this author is deliberately trolling conservatives. Must be the only was to get people to read their sad little newspaper.


17 posted on 09/21/2013 10:32:25 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Slings and Arrows
Although it was brave of Howard Schultz, the company's chief executive, to go even this far in a country where people are better armed and only slightly less nervy than rebel fighters in Syria,

Ludicrous hyperbole. How many Americans have ready access to artillery, shoulder-fired SAMs, RPGs, and fully automatic weapons? That stuff is the norm over there; here, very much the exception.

Just another STUPID propagandist who doesn't derive their facts from the real world (unless you count that warm dark and moist nether orifice they pull them out of).

18 posted on 09/21/2013 10:35:38 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Viennacon

I’ll bet that Obama’s sons have robbed more Starbucks than CCP people have had shootouts in them.

Many of the people I see in Starbucks in DC are the dregs of liberal society - the hoity-toity of the yuppie set - most of whom have never done anything substantial to keep America safe from from criminals, communists, nuts, or Islamists. But they did vote for Obama.

In other words, arrogant, supposedly important drones, who wouldn’t know how to cover someone’s back in an emergency.

I’ll take a CCP person over them any day or night. Fire discipline is personal discipline, and when the shit hits the fan, you want someone next to you who knows what to do.

Not some latte’-licking liberal wuss.


19 posted on 09/21/2013 10:44:06 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Slings and Arrows

That’s what the agenda has been for years.

It’s the globalist crush they perfected when they installed a UN regime in South Africa. Now they think that with an American Quisling in the WH, they can get the US. Finally.


20 posted on 09/21/2013 10:44:27 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama: the bearded lady of the Muslim Brotherhood))
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To: Slings and Arrows

Pfffft. “The world” can drop dead.


21 posted on 09/21/2013 10:46:46 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: BigCinBigD

I’m looking at shotguns, too. Haven’t made up my mind yet.


22 posted on 09/21/2013 10:47:59 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Slings and Arrows

Just read the comment section. The Guardiantards hate the NRA. haha


23 posted on 09/21/2013 10:48:52 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Slings and Arrows

If you want to argue about this again then by all means, meat me at the green in Lexington.

You might not want to wear red this time. Made it all too easy the first couple times to womp your asses.


24 posted on 09/21/2013 10:58:17 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Thanks it’s a 12ga pump riot gun. Just bought a Red Dot sight for it off Amazon.


25 posted on 09/21/2013 10:58:43 PM PDT by BigCinBigD (...Was that okay?)
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To: BigCinBigD

Sounds fun. I’m starting to miss living in the boonies.


26 posted on 09/21/2013 11:03:15 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

I like to think of it as an Urban redecoration device. :)


27 posted on 09/21/2013 11:05:16 PM PDT by BigCinBigD (...Was that okay?)
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To: Viennacon
Just read the comment section. The Guardiantards hate the NRA. haha

"Oh, the tears of unfathomable sadness! My-yummy!"

28 posted on 09/21/2013 11:07:21 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

I wonder how many of the deaths occurred in “gun-free zones”, “gun-free cities” and other Dem controlled areas?


29 posted on 09/21/2013 11:07:59 PM PDT by matt04
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To: Slings and Arrows

“The world” is going to intervene, hmm? Sure thing, Sweet Pea, you lead the charge. Molon labe.


30 posted on 09/21/2013 11:15:28 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Slings and Arrows

“Talking to American friends, I always sense a kind of despair that the gun lobby is too powerful to challenge and that nothing will ever change. The same resignation was evident in President Obama’s rather lifeless reaction to the Washington shooting last week.”

Hmmm. The author has been talking to the wrong kind of Americans.


31 posted on 09/21/2013 11:32:23 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

So lets stop illegal aliens, they kill 40 a day, 1/2 by drunken driving, 1/2 through outright murder.


32 posted on 09/21/2013 11:58:26 PM PDT by Exton1
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To: Slings and Arrows

what’s out of control is... mental patients

until they start putting mental patients into mental hospitals, i’ll believe they intend for all the random shootings to happen... so they can grab for guns

hell, it’d be fairly easy to convince the American people that these people were drugged by the dems and put on their special path of crazy for the sole reason to grab guns

we had emails between the WH and holder stating as much on fast & furious... yet no one cared.


33 posted on 09/22/2013 12:12:09 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Hmmm....

If those blue helmets from the UN forces hit the beach and invade the USA, where would you attack?

If I’m a blue beany general, I’m hitting NYC, just pull my ships right into the harbor and disembark.

With all the tories/leftists there, they’d shower us with flowers and kisses (watch out as some of the gay men might kiss you too).

DON’T DON’T DON’t land your forces in Texas. You’ll have a million rifles converging (mine included as I’d drive thru the night with my tea party borzoi loaded with ammo, gold, water and kibble).

Silly Brits...Freedom is for Americans!


34 posted on 09/22/2013 12:33:47 AM PDT by Sapwolf (Talkers are usually more articulate than doers, since talk is their specialty. -Sowell)
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To: GeronL
"Chicago might reach 500 murders, Caracas might reach 4,000."

1. San Pedro Sula, Honduras: Homicides: 1,143 Inhabitants: 719,447 Murder rate: 158.87

2. Ciudad Juarez, Mexico: Homicides: 1974 Inhabitants: 1,335,890 Murder rate: 147.77

3.Maceió, Brazil: Homicides: 1,564. Inhabitants: 1,156,278. Murder rate: 135.26

4. Acapulco, Mexico: Homicides: 1,029. Inhabitants: 804,412. Murder rate: 127.92.

5. Tegucigalpa, Honduras: Homicides: 1,123. Inhabitants: 1,126,534. Murder rate: 99.69.

6. Caracas, Venezuela: Homicides: 3,164. Inhabitants: 3,205,463. Murder rate: 98.71

Many list Detroit as the top U.S. city for Homicides. However, New Orleans is the top U.S. city. Homicides: 199. Inhabitants: 343,829 Murder rate: 57.88 New Orleans is ranked number 21 for cities world wide. This says that the United Nations has 20 other cities to worry about before they have anything to say about U.S. Homicides. And, we should also ask what level of gun control exists in the top cities? Would more gun control fix their homicide rates? I say, no.

Guns are not the problem. It is mental illness and the big elephant in the room: the illegal drug industry. Drug gangs are at work in all the cities having high murder rates. Maybe the United Nations could brainstorm a way to take out the profit in the illegal drug industry.

Perhaps legalization is the fix.

35 posted on 09/22/2013 12:57:01 AM PDT by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: jonrick46

Legalization is not the fix. That’s just pathetic.

Caracas, Venezuela is not like that because of drugs, it is like that because it has socialists running a hope n change asylum. It is a government run by the corrupt, the inept who proudly spread their ideology of ineptitude to all sectors.

Take over those power plants/mines/factories ‘for the people’, dump those “experts” because we know that anyone can do those jobs. We’ll even hire lots of extra nobodies that aren’t needed while we are at it.

Making the populations dumber with drugs is not going to improve things.


36 posted on 09/22/2013 1:02:31 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: Slings and Arrows
WHULL...

WHAT we need is for THE U.N. to step in and put an end to this AMERICAN GUN VIOLENCE NIGHTMARE.....I SAY WE INSTITUTE AN 'OBSCENE OIL PROFITS TAX' ...THEN WE JUST FUNNEL THE MONEY INTO a spiffy UN PEACE A KEEPIN' FORCE. CHARGED WITH A MISSION....

STEP 1.. THEY INVADE THOSE nasty nasty AMERICAN cities. The ones where all this violent gun violence has been violentin..and then

2. Then they just could burn out the violencers...or something..

LOOK HOW EFFECTIVELY THE U.N. has ENDED GLOBAL VIOLENCE HERETOFORE..SO SHUD UP.


37 posted on 09/22/2013 1:16:02 AM PDT by jimsin
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To: matt04
I wonder how many of the deaths occurred in “gun-free zones”, “gun-free cities” and other Dem controlled areas?

I'm not interested enough to actually look this up, but I'm pretty sure the 32,000 figure cited includes suicides.(The suicide rate is pretty comparable between Australia, UK, Canada, and the US. It makes no difference if people here use handguns and people there jump off of bridges)

So, only about half of the deaths were even homicides to begin with, some percentage of those were justified.

Once you get down to the true number, whatever it is, I'm sure you're right that most of them occurred in heavily gun regulated areas.

38 posted on 09/22/2013 1:29:21 AM PDT by j. earl carter
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To: Slings and Arrows

Yeah, go ahead and try it, pal. Imagine if that were to happen and a coalition of leftist European countries came over here to take the guns from Americans. First of all, they’d have a full war on their hands as the military would defend the country and the Constitution. Second of all, the irony is that it would prove the NRA and gun lobby’s point that citizens should be armed to protect themselves in the event of a civil war or attack from foreign powers.


39 posted on 09/22/2013 1:43:41 AM PDT by Pinkbell
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To: Slings and Arrows

Americans hear talk of international intervention and head to the gun store. Just when you thought the ammo shortage might be over...


40 posted on 09/22/2013 1:54:58 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (Gun Control Haiku: Say "Registration" / And they call you paranoid / So say "Privacy")
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To: Billthedrill
"At what point shall we expect the approach of danger? By what means shall we fortify against it?-- Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant, to step the Ocean, and crush us at a blow? Never!--All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest; with a Buonaparte for a commander, could not by force, take a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the Blue Ridge, in a trial of a thousand years.

At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide."

~Abraham Lincoln, Address Before the Young Men's Lyceum of Springfield, Illinois, January 27, 1838

41 posted on 09/22/2013 2:05:18 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the mainland US There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: GeronL

A good read on Caracas, Venezuela by the United States Department of State:

https://www.osac.gov/Pages/ContentReportDetails.aspx?cid=13038

Yes, Caracas has tremendous poverty due to a failing socialistic state. Socialist fail to learn from the failures of other systems that big government is a system doomed to fail.

What is drawing the poor to crime is the illegal drug industry. The poor will rob, steal, and kidnap to further this industry with the necessary “operating capital.” You will see this statement in the above report: “Much of Caracas’s crime and violence can be attributed to mobile street gangs and organized crime groups.” These gang groups are working the illegal drug industry. Venezuela is the leading drug hub of South America.

Legalization would affect the supply side of the curve. It would saturate the market and the profit would drop out. You are correct. It would increase the users and the costs due to the mental side effects would be costly. As people find out the realities of these costs, the demand should go down as knowledge increases. We will know soon enough what happens when Washington State and Colorado will soon allow pot sales.

I have been thinking that a way to destroy the illegal drug culture is to sabotage the consumer market and thus, the demand side of the curve. How do you do that? By flooding the market with consumers who are not drug addicts but people involved in sting operations. When the pusher is not certain if his customer will set in motion his arrest, the risk selling the product will be so high it will crash the system. I think today’s high tech advances could facilitate such a program.


42 posted on 09/22/2013 2:13:23 AM PDT by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: jonrick46

Handing out meth to 3rd graders is the answer!

of course


43 posted on 09/22/2013 2:21:47 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: Haiku Guy

I would call this article intellectual masturbation, but that would be an abuse of the word “intellectual.”


44 posted on 09/22/2013 2:31:57 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: sten

what’s out of control is... mental patients

until they start putting mental patients into mental hospitals, i’ll believe they intend for all the random shootings to happen... so they can grab for guns
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When I was growing up it was common practice to send people with mental problems to asylums for treatment. I think it was stopped during a Dem President’s admin., which led to the prevailing “homeless on the street” population we now have to deal with on a daily basis. ....Many cities are running the ‘homeless’ out of the business and tourist districts. .....At the same time, MANY of the SANE just claim to be ‘homeless’, etc., and take home hundreds of $$ every day from begging in prime areas. Don’t feed the beggars by giving them money.


45 posted on 09/22/2013 3:08:43 AM PDT by octex
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To: Slings and Arrows

The author interestingly omits the 100+ million innocent people slaughted by communist and fascist dictatorial regimes in Europe alone since the beginning of the 20th Century. The fact those regimes first confiscated privately owned weapons is a rather inconvenient truth to those who advocate what they’d like us to believe are “reasonable” restrictions.

Harry apparently doesn’t know we saw the images of unarmed, defenseless Brits cowering and tut-tutting while animalistic muslims hacked to death that soldier. A few well-placed rounds from a concealed-carry 9mm would’ve stopped those two knuckledraggers dead.


46 posted on 09/22/2013 3:20:08 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

The writer should ask Nigeria, Yemen and Kenya.

Well over 200 citizens shot the last few gays.


47 posted on 09/22/2013 4:13:49 AM PDT by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: Vendome

Yeah, but the red hides blood stains really well. Blue helmets should be excellent, though, for spotting targets.

BTW, is your power out? Mine’s been out all night on the north end of Gilroy. (posting from my phone)


48 posted on 09/22/2013 4:37:09 AM PDT by Bob
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To: Smokin' Joe

Well, if it came down to crazy nuts like Porter invading us, we would have automatic weapons, rpgs, and the like. Do you think the richest people in the world would somehow be unable to get those items when people from the poorest cesspools in the world can get them? But it will never come down to that, and the idiot author knows that. He’s simply engaging in his own crack-cocaine inspired dreaming of the perfect Marxist world without free, armed people i.e.Americans.


49 posted on 09/22/2013 4:49:47 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: Slings and Arrows

Correct term..........”self-defined intellectual”


50 posted on 09/22/2013 4:52:34 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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