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ObamaCare: Should You Pay the Premium or the Tax?
Townhall.com ^ | September 22, 2013 | Political Calculations

Posted on 09/22/2013 5:44:23 AM PDT by Kaslin

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1 posted on 09/22/2013 5:44:23 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Just vote them all out in 2014 and 2016; clean the DC sewer and screw the DeathCare, IMO.


2 posted on 09/22/2013 5:45:30 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Kaslin

either way they are scamming the American people and they should be jailed along with all the scumbags on both sides who allowed this to happen. What this is saying is we need you to pay for this so pay up!


3 posted on 09/22/2013 5:47:39 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (What you get when you refuse to vet)
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To: Kaslin

You will be reading about me being jailed for non-payment. I will not submit and will not go away quietly.


4 posted on 09/22/2013 5:52:57 AM PDT by yobid
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To: Kaslin

“When it comes to ObamaCare, should you pay the premium for buying health insurance on your state’s exchange, or would you be better off skipping it and paying the “penalty” tax instead?”

Neither. Call your reps and demand that deathcare be defunded.
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5 posted on 09/22/2013 5:53:16 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: yobid

“You will be reading about me being jailed for non-payment. I will not submit and will not go away quietly.”

Actually, you won’t be. There is no provision in the law for criminal penalties. They can’t even collect the tax unless you’re otherwise owed a refund.

Look it up. There have been several stories on it. And a few on FR.


6 posted on 09/22/2013 5:54:53 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: Kaslin

It’s not a ‘real’ choice. The Architects of Obamacare are not designing a system that is designed to last. They are attempting to tax, gather data, and otherwise collapse what remains of the private healthcare delivery system. What remains will be an expensive, well-entrenched single-payer system.

Whichever choice you make will hasten the collapse.


7 posted on 09/22/2013 5:57:34 AM PDT by Tallguy (Hunkered down in Pennsylvania)
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To: Kaslin
if they don't get enough, they'll just up the tax.

Medicare Part B was $3 per month when it started...about one hour in wages..if you made a good buck.

Today, it is $105 per month...I don't know anyone in my circle who makes $100 per hour.

8 posted on 09/22/2013 5:59:09 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: ExTexasRedhead

The problem with this is if you do that you don’t know if the new ones will keep their promises or not? It’s easy to promise anything just to get elected, but once they are in office they “forget” their promises, or are unable to keep them. I wished there would have been a better candidate in 2012 when my senator ran for reelection. Unfortunately I have to vote until 2018 to vote against that RINO.


9 posted on 09/22/2013 5:59:21 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: ronnie raygun

Now THIS is extortion.


10 posted on 09/22/2013 6:01:14 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: RKBA Democrat

What do you think the House did on Thursday?


11 posted on 09/22/2013 6:01:49 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: RKBA Democrat

Call your reps and tell them you want the taxpayers to pay 75% of your premium.

That little tidbit alone should have people from all walks of life storming D.C. But nothing happens.


12 posted on 09/22/2013 6:03:07 AM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Kaslin

Neither. I’m under the radar.

WAVING AT NSA FREAKS!

Mass civil disobedience. They can’t put tens of millions of people in jail.


13 posted on 09/22/2013 6:07:43 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Tallguy
.......the Obama/crats are attempting to tax, gather data, and otherwise collapse what remains of the private healthcare delivery system.....

You got that right.

Obamacare is not about healthcare or even insurance coverage, it is about centrally controlling from DC every aspect of your life. Your doctor will be their informant on how you live, work and eat while their IRS agents will monitor every financial aspect of your life in the guise of keeping you healthy. There will not be one part of your life they will not only know but control through the Unaffordable Healthcare Act. This is a dream come true for the central planners who run the Communist....er, I mean....…Democrat Party and the worst nightmare for your average American.

Vladimir Lenin / 1945 pamphlet

“Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State.”

How to finger the O/Crats---below.

14 posted on 09/22/2013 6:08:14 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Kaslin

save for later


15 posted on 09/22/2013 6:08:46 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Osama Obama Care: A Religion That Will Have You On Your Knees!)
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To: All
The pols know the O/Care ship is listing---ready to heave--- maybe do a Costa Concordia into the Potomac.

THE BAD NEWS KEEPS COMING Reuters reports the US government on Wednesday scaled back its projections for Obamacare's impact in 2014, saying the law would generate slower healthcare spending growth and provide coverage to only half as many of America's uninsured as anticipated last year.

The biggest factor in the change stems from the U.S. Supreme Court verdict last year allowing each state to decide whether to expand the public Medicaid program for the poor under Obama's healthcare reform law. Republican leaders in nearly half of the nation's 50 states have rejected the expansion.

HHS now expects 11 million uninsured Americans to obtain coverage next year, down from about 22 million projected a year ago, according to the report, which appeared in the journal Health Affairs. (Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...

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There's also lawsuits and state problems.

HERE'S HOW THEY'RE STOPPING OBAMACARE A West Virginia nonprofit has turned down a federal grant it received to help residents navigate new health insurance options under the Affordable Care Act after it received an inquiry from Attorney General Patrick Morrisey about how it would protect consumer information. Clarksburg-based West Virginia Parent Training Inc. did not respond to a letter it received from Morrisey directing it to answer 26 questions about the group's personnel and hiring practices, including employee background checks and employee monitoring programs, the Sunday Gazette-Mail (http://bit.ly/17M1QVe) reported. (Excerpt) Read more at sanluisobispo.com ...

YOUR TURN--Contact your state AG---ask him/her to issue a letter of inquiry to groups receiving federal "Navigator" grants. The inquiry should center on questions WRT how the group intends to protect consumer data.

In particular, the questionnaire should ask if the tax-funded "Navigator" program intends to transfer personal/ financial/medical data of the insured to the local/county/national Democrat Party, relevant Unions, banks, investment companies, drug companies, insurance companies. Trial Lawyers' associations and whether "Navigators" have sub rosa contracts with these, and other groups, plan to profit, to provide significant info to enrich databases for pecuniary purposes.

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PLANNED PARENTHOOD WILL HAVE ACCESS TO SS#, TAX, MEDICAL INFORMATION
Breitbart Big Government ^ | 8/23/2013 | William Bigelow / FR Posted by markomalley

EXCERPT Planned Parenthood is about to obtain access to your Social Security number, tax form, bank account, and medical records.

With the advent of ObamaCare, consumers buying health insurance through health care exchanges will be required to speak to “navigators.” “Navigators” are supposed to help consumers find the best coverage and ascertain whether they are eligible for a federal subsidy.

Any “navigator” will have access to the federal data hub, which holds information from the Department of Health and Human Services, the IRS, the Social Security Administration, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), the Defense Department, the Office of Personnel Management, the Veterans Health Administration, and the Peace Corps.

Planned Parenthood received $655,000 from the Obama administration to hire navigators. In Iowa, Planned Parenthood of the Heartland received $214,427; in Montana, Intermountain Planned Parenthood, Inc. got $295,604; and in New Hampshire, Planned Parenthood of Northern New England raked in $145,161.

And there is not much scrutiny over who these “navigators” will be; HHS will not require background checks or fingerprinting, and a previous criminal conviction, even if it was for identity theft , will not trigger a rejection. To make matters worse, the administration has cut the new employees’ training from 30 hours to 20 and reduced screening.

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OKLAHOMA WINS FIRST OCARE BATTLE: Quoting AG Pruitt--- "Obamacare was meant to be so open-ended that it could mean anything. We are seeing thousands of pages of new rules being written, both by HHS and the IRS. The open-ended interpretation of Obamacare enables this.....if the law doesn't contain a particular provision, no problem. They just make it up as they go along."

"Such is the case that involves the OK lawsuit."

“The court rejected the federal government’s argument that Oklahoma lacked standing to challenge the law, allowing us to proceed with this pivotal case,” “We’re optimistic the court will recognize what states have known for months that the IRS disregarded the law by making the large employer mandate effective in Oklahoma or in any of the 33 other states without a state health care exchange.”

REFERENCE Oklahoma challenged implementation of the Affordable Care Act after the IRS finalized a rule that would allow the federal government to punish “large employers,” including local government, with millions of dollars in tax penalties in states without state health care exchanges, which is not allowed under the health care law.

“Congress provided a choice for Oklahoma and other states in implementation of the health care law, and the IRS is attempting to take that away by rule,” General Pruitt said. “The administration miscalculated how many states would support this law, so now they’re using the IRS to push through provisions that Congress did not pass.”

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PROTECT YOURSELF---Obamacare is easy pickins for identity thieves. Steps to take to minimize risk of identity theft:

1. Contact the IRS Identity Protection Specialized Unit at 1-800-908-4490

2. Order a tax account transcript from the IRS that verifies basic personal data along with details of your tax return filed, which may come in handy if you are checking to see whether someone else filed a fraudulent return on your behalf

The Federal Trade Commission (link at website) also lists several steps you must take if you have been a victim of identity theft.

SOURCE http://www.cnbc.com/id/100918004

AS FREEPER PAJAMAMAN COGENTLY POSTED: Ads need to be run---the public needs to be told of the magnitude of the invasion of their privacy, that will occur under OBamacare. They need to be made to understand this.

16 posted on 09/22/2013 6:10:33 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Sacajaweau
Medicare part B is $105month

I thought it was even a bit more than that. Maybe location is a factor. Anyway, I looked at what "part B" covers, and what the pharmaceutical program covers, and for me it isn't worth it.

With non-seniors it's a different consideration. Part A Medicare does cover hospital stays, after all.

17 posted on 09/22/2013 6:13:13 AM PDT by grania
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To: Kaslin

Pay the penalty until you get really sick then sign up for insurance.


18 posted on 09/22/2013 6:13:50 AM PDT by csmusaret (Will remove Obama-Biden bumperstickers for $10)
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To: Kaslin

Being penalized by the government for not buying some thing!
Something is terribly wrong here and America needs to wake up.This shouldn’t even be talked about!


19 posted on 09/22/2013 6:23:17 AM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: Kaslin

Thanks Kas.


20 posted on 09/22/2013 6:24:20 AM PDT by Rappini (Veritas vos Liberabit)
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