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Iraq is lost
Jerusalem Post ^ | 09/21/2013 21:34 | CHARLES BYBELEZER

Posted on 09/22/2013 8:36:02 AM PDT by Pan_Yan

On December 18, 2011, the last convoy of US soldiers pulled out of Iraq, ending nearly nine years of war that left almost 4,500 American troops and tens of thousands of Iraqis dead.

Marking the end of the combat mission in a speech at Fort Bragg (the same location where George W. Bush had declared war in 2003), President Barack Obama emphasized repeatedly that he was fulfilling his 2008 campaign pledge of an Iraq pull-out, while praising the courage of American soldiers and vowing that Iraqi forces were prepared to assume responsibility for their country’s security.

“Of course,” he noted, “violence will not end.... Extremists will continue to set off bombs, attack Iraqi civilians and try to spark sectarian strife.”

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Yet Obama failed miserably in his attempt (if ever it was sincere) to forge a deal with the newly elected, fragile Iraqi government to maintain a residual US troop presence in Iraq. The agreement fell apart over the technicality of providing legal immunity to American soldiers, hardly an insurmountable impasse, one might have thought.

Since then, Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki has filled the power vacuum by consolidating his rule. He has eliminated his leading Sunni rivals and tightened his control over Iraq’s security services. Maliki has repeatedly violated the terms of the so-called Erbil agreement, which was meant to preserve the rights of Sunni and Kurdish communities.

In parallel, Iraq has descended progressively into chaos. This year alone, approximately 5,000 Iraqis have died in principally Sunni-on-Shi’ite terror attacks, with a recent surge in violence killing upwards of 1,000 Iraqis each month. Hardly a day goes by without multiple attacks being perpetrated throughout the country, as the domestic carnage there proceeds unabatedly.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bhomiddleeast; iraq; iraquspullout; iraqwar; muslimworld; obamairaq; obamalegacy; postwariraq; threatmatrix
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1 posted on 09/22/2013 8:36:02 AM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: Pan_Yan

But let’s not forget that the order to withdraw the troops was signed by Bush long before Obama was even elected.


2 posted on 09/22/2013 8:40:36 AM PDT by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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To: Pan_Yan
'the same location where George W. Bush had declared war in 2003'

Ya can't take the JP seriously.

3 posted on 09/22/2013 8:42:55 AM PDT by Theoria
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To: Pan_Yan

If we lost, why did all those admirals and generals get promoted?


4 posted on 09/22/2013 8:45:36 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Pan_Yan
What a waste of our youth and resources. Yes, I know that Saddam moved his WMD into Syria and we had some cause to invade, but I'm no longer sure it was worth American lives nor injuries. At the time I was a huge proponent of killing Saddam.

Aftganiscrap made sense, but they are also reverting to their hateful sectarian barbarism.

I say we stay out of those countries and let them kill each other. If nothing else, it keeps them busy for the most part. The next time they attack America in mass - nuke them out of existence. Harsh? - yes. Practical - yes.

Long live Isreal, and I'm not jewish.

5 posted on 09/22/2013 8:48:01 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever!)
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To: Pan_Yan
I don't resent all the sh!t I took right here on FreeRepublic since 2003 when that idiotic military campaign began, but this is one of those times where I hate being right.

I'll never understand why anyone would trust the @ssholes in Washington who send our military personnel all over the world to fight wars like that.

6 posted on 09/22/2013 8:48:38 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Pan_Yan

The only good thing I see in Iraq these days is the fact that the Kurds are unified and strong in a fractured nation.


7 posted on 09/22/2013 8:50:35 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Alberta's Child
The US military should be used to kill hundreds of thousands of men, women and children and to damage tens of billions of dollars worth of property. Having accomplished these goals, and securing an unconditional surrender from our enemies, we should come home.

If we don't plan to use our military that way, then we should not use our military at all -- send the freakin' Peace Corp.

8 posted on 09/22/2013 8:51:20 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (21st century. I'm not a fan.)
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To: Pan_Yan

Any Middle eastern Country with Sunni’s and Shiites in the same country will eventually be dragged into fighting and killing. It’s hat they like to do.


9 posted on 09/22/2013 8:51:44 AM PDT by Venturer ( cowardice posturing as tolerance =political correctness)
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To: blueunicorn6

Vietnam was a losing effort.

Iraq was a losing effort.

Afghanistan is, and will be, a losing effort.

Stay out of foreign wars.


10 posted on 09/22/2013 8:53:12 AM PDT by Signalman
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To: blueunicorn6
"If we lost, why did all those admirals and generals get promoted?"

Simple. They are mostly political suck-ups. I don't believe there is a Patton or Bradley among them anymore. Hell, I don't even believe there is an 06 or E7 who gives a shit other then their next advancement, except for possibly the Marines. I am so ashamed of my Navy nowadays, but proud I served when it was a fighting force and not a social experiment.

11 posted on 09/22/2013 8:55:16 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever!)
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To: Pan_Yan
Iraq is smack dab in the middle of the Middle East hell hole. Perhaps we shouldn't have gone in, but SINCE WE DID WE SHOULD'VE STAYED THERE AND SET UP SHOP AND TAKEN SOME OF THEIR OIL WHILE WE'RE AT IT. Iraq is strategically important position-wise and a great staging area for trouble hot spots elsewhere like Libya or Egypt OR AS A STAGING AREA FOR A STRIKE ON IRAN.

It was STUPID for 0bama to announce departure dates and to leave Iraq since things weren't going all that badly in Iraq WHEN HE TOOK OFFICE. We are IDIOTS for surrendering there. We invested heavily there with over 4,500 troops lost we should have STAYED in Iraq, kept a couple of LARGE, WELL SUPPLIED bases permanently there because the war on terror will NEVER end and it would be a GREAT staging area for a future action against Iran.

We bust our azz invading Iraq, establishing some sense of calm, then LEAVE? WTF is THAT all about? 0bama giving in to his terrorist friends, maybe? We are IDIOTS for withdrawing from such a militarily strategically priceless location.

12 posted on 09/22/2013 9:04:43 AM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (If Americans were as concerned for their country as Egyptians are, Obama would be ousted!)
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To: Alberta's Child
"I'll never understand why anyone would trust the @ssholes in Washington who send our military personnel all over the world to fight wars like that."

Apparently, you are vindicated. And "wars"? Hardly, they were nation building exercises. The idiots in the WH and Pentagon thought we could change hundreds of years of Islamic barbarism if only we built schools and gave candy to the kids. Now their back to their 7th century savagery, and the USA keeps inviting them in and placing them in positions of power. Talk about a suicide pact.

13 posted on 09/22/2013 9:04:55 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever!)
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To: Pan_Yan

Iraq was lost before before it was occupied and the situation warranted a punitive raid, not nation building.

To create something positive there one would have to go in with ubiquitous surveillance, close the borders, and execute all violent parties including Muslims attempting to kill apostates leaving Islam. When we went in not willing to do that we had already lost. Much of the military sector of society pointed this out at the beginning. So did a host of historians.


14 posted on 09/22/2013 9:16:23 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Pan_Yan

It saddens me greatly but after the first 90-120 days we should have left. We lost so many fine young men and women...just doing their jobs...so western leaders can pretend “we are making a difference”

Anyone with time and experience in the ME KNOWS they will never change and mussies will be mussies!


15 posted on 09/22/2013 9:16:26 AM PDT by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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To: Signalman
You forgot Korea and its stalemate. We should have nuked them (and possibly China) into oblivion when we had the chance. But the bureaucrats in DC started to get to concerned about world opinion.

If we had done so, the World would have seen how serious we were about liberty, especially after Hiroshima and Nagasaki. No, I don't believe the Soviets would have done more than complain. They, unlike others, understand MAD, that's why they backed down during the Cuban Missle Crisis. They actually care about their children.

Nuclear war is coming. Hope I die before it happens, but it is coming. Too many countries are building or buying bombs. It will start in the Middle East or Pakistan/India or here at home with a dirty bomb. China depends too much on our trade to attack us. Again, Russia understands MAD. Still, it's coming. The assholes of the World can't get along. Think local gangster territorial control and influence.

16 posted on 09/22/2013 9:19:23 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever!)
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To: Pan_Yan

HEY!!!!!

GWB!!!!!

how did that “nation building” thingie work out for you????

we are not the world’s policemen...


17 posted on 09/22/2013 9:29:40 AM PDT by joe fonebone (a socialist is just a juvenile communist)
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To: Pan_Yan

I wonder who will be the first to cross the Rubicon. All the fine men and women killed, maimed, and wounded and in the end for what? For our masters in the beltway? I have no respect for the masters in the beltway at all. They have squandered all trust. They have earned no respect.


18 posted on 09/22/2013 9:32:25 AM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: joe fonebone

I don’t think Bush was into nation building. I think he got talked into it.

I remember him specifically being against it during the 2000 debates.


19 posted on 09/22/2013 9:39:01 AM PDT by TheGipperWasRight
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To: al_c
But let’s not forget that the order to withdraw the troops was signed by Bush long before Obama was even elected.

Absolutely...BTW, how many troops did Israel have in the coalition?

20 posted on 09/22/2013 9:41:34 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: A Navy Vet
I say we stay out of those countries and let them kill each other. If nothing else, it keeps them busy for the most part. The next time they attack America in mass - nuke them out of existence. Harsh? - yes. Practical - yes.

Similar to the "Cyber Liberty Option." Works like this...

We'll pull all our people from these crapholes to let them stew their own problems. If anybody shoots at us on the way out, we'll retaliate 100 to 1 and then proceed with the pullout. Then, publish this doctrine: If any Americans are killed anywhere in the world, and we can trace the perpetrators to your citizens, we will come and kill 100 of your people for every American casualty. If you hit a jackpot where more than 1,000 Americans dead, we will simply nuke one of your cities per 1000 dead Americans. We'll provide each Islamic country a list of ten cities beforehand, and it will be one of the listed cites we'll hit.

21 posted on 09/22/2013 9:42:17 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It's hard to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what you wanted to hear.)
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To: A Navy Vet
If I were capable of being offended, I would take offense at that remark.

I am an E-8...Air Force...and could care less about my next promotion. I'm pretty outspoken about the ROE's...and pretty loud when it comes to my concern about the PC nature of the military.

There are a LOT of us still out there. Of course, the current admin and leadership are doing what they can to replace us...but we are still there. All hope is not lost.........yet.

22 posted on 09/22/2013 9:47:42 AM PDT by NELSON111
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To: joe fonebone; TheGipperWasRight; Pan_Yan
HEY!!!!! GWB!!!!! how did that “nation building” thingie work out for you????

This compassionate decades long war cost trillions in American tax dollars...

We won nothing but death, pain and suffering as Bush and the insiders looted the American treasure.

No doubt several hundred of his super wealthy insider friends, became way more wealthy funding the compassion...They lined their freaking pockets while they robbed the tax payers.

23 posted on 09/22/2013 9:49:16 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: TheGipperWasRight

If those three sentences you posted there are correct, then George W. Bush never should have been allowed to run a lemonade stand, let alone serve as the President of the United States.


24 posted on 09/22/2013 10:00:04 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: ClearCase_guy

The U.S. doesn’t engage in those kinds of military campaigns anymore because we are now a colonial power, not a free nation. It makes no sense to destroy an enemy nation’s infrastructure and kill hundreds of thousands of its people if the whole purpose of going to war in the first place is to build and prop up that nation up as a trading partner.


25 posted on 09/22/2013 10:02:42 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: ScaniaBoy; annieokie; penelopesire; maggief; Protect the Bill of Rights; thouworm; SE Mom; ...
The real war in the ME is between saudi arabia and iran. Every terrorist in the whole damn world is funded by one or the other.

This is a combined potpurri list. Anyone wanting on or off please advise.


26 posted on 09/22/2013 10:02:59 AM PDT by MestaMachine (My caps work, You gotta earn them.)
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To: Alberta's Child

When this “war” started I told my wife “We’ll never win a war on terror because we’re not willing to do what will have to be done.” And that means nukes.

I couldn’t disagree that Saddam was a brutal dictator so take him out. Then get half of the oil. But noooooo. W said “The oil belongs to the Iraqi people.” That’s funny. They never got any when Saddam was in power so getting half would make them very happy.


27 posted on 09/22/2013 10:14:27 AM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Pan_Yan
Somebody won...

...the Democrap Party(politically) & all those who profited(financially).

28 posted on 09/22/2013 10:21:14 AM PDT by RckyRaCoCo (Shall Not Be Infringed)
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To: Alberta's Child

I don’t believe George W Bush came into office wanting to invade Iraq. I think 9/11 changed him in a fundamental way, and having surrounded himself with people who liked the idea of invading Iraq, ended with us invading.

I think President Reagan was probably advised to send more troops after the barracks in Beirut were bombed. He wisely decided to pull them out and cut his losses.

Even though Beirut and Iraq are two different situations, the lesson to be learned is to avoid entanglements in that region. The people there end up with a dictator or a Islamist nut-job government in the end.


29 posted on 09/22/2013 10:38:18 AM PDT by TheGipperWasRight
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To: Pan_Yan

I said when we first invaded Iraq we would have to stay there at least 20 years, or else the moment we left it would fall to either the Iranians or Islamo-Fascists.


30 posted on 09/22/2013 10:39:26 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: VerySadAmerican

I now am not only against the second Iraq war, I now don’t see much point in the first one, neither. Who cares about Kuwait, just another invention of British map making....they’re all Arabs anyway. Besides Kuwait was side-drilling to Iraqi oilfields, so were the Saudis. Never get involved in a fight between Arabs.


31 posted on 09/22/2013 10:42:42 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

I agree, that was the goal that would have made sense, and the one that Bush should have articulated.The presence of US military power after the conflict was not a bad idea in Germany, Japan or the Philippines over the past century, or probably even Korea.The Iranians kept it churning when they saw they were going to be able to stampede the Democrats.


32 posted on 09/22/2013 10:50:49 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: gusopol3

BTW, the Philippines now supposedly wants us back at Subic Bay.


33 posted on 09/22/2013 10:52:43 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: A Navy Vet

Hiya ANV!

I’ve come to the same conclusion. I do think Saddam would have eventually become a major threat to us so I supported the action. Afghanistan had it coming b/c of 9/11.

Now they can both rot.


34 posted on 09/22/2013 10:56:43 AM PDT by sauropod (Fat Bottomed Girl: "What difference, at this point, does it make?")
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To: TheGipperWasRight
I don’t believe George W Bush came into office wanting to invade Iraq. I think 9/11 changed him in a fundamental way, and having surrounded himself with people who liked the idea of invading Iraq, ended with us invading.

You might be right. But then Michael Moore couldn't have come up with a more pathetic description of a Republican "leader" than this.

This is why nobody should ever sit in the White House -- or in either house of Congress, for that matter -- unless their own children are enlisted in the U.S. military and assigned to the first detachment of soldiers sent overseas in any military campaign.

35 posted on 09/22/2013 11:08:30 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Theoria
After 2001, Bush failed to define the enemy and victory correctly.

And I will cut him some slack because so far, no one has defined the enemy correctly or painted a picture of what victory will look like.

The war against us and our way of life has been declared by a cult which is simultaneous a religion and a system of government...and not by a single country. And not all within that religion agree with said declaration of war (but those who oppose it are terrorized by the radicals among them who have declared such war).

What will victory look like? Most folks who study Islam believe there will be war until either Islam wins and controls the world or is wiped off the face of the earth (and this might include some kind of reformation of Islam if such a thing is even possible).

But any attempt to invade a country like Iraq or even Afghanistan is eventually doomed to failure.

This is not a war against a military (though there is certainly a military component to it). This is also a political (and even religious) war.

This is as Samuel Huntington said, "a clash of civilizations" (though he should have taken that description one step further...this is a clash between civilization and socio/political religion which wished to destroy modern civilization).

36 posted on 09/22/2013 11:19:46 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing -- Socrates)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

If we went into Iraq, we should have occupied it, and told the Saudis once and for all to F-— Off.


37 posted on 09/22/2013 11:21:39 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: RoosterRedux

Which country was it that financed and supplied the terrorists that attacked the WTC? It sure wasn’t Iraq....It was our “friends” the Saudis.


38 posted on 09/22/2013 11:23:34 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
And Bush is extremely close to the royal family. That's why he declared "Islam is a Religion of Peace."

And it was all over once that declaration was made.

39 posted on 09/22/2013 11:27:20 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing -- Socrates)
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To: Pan_Yan
The agreement fell apart over the technicality of providing legal immunity to American soldiers...

NOT providing immunity is a non-starter.

40 posted on 09/22/2013 11:30:50 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Alberta's Child

+1.

didn’t take the five years I predicted for Iraq to fall apart.


41 posted on 09/22/2013 11:30:57 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: mad_as_he$$
Same s--t, different decade


42 posted on 09/22/2013 11:31:47 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: A Navy Vet

The influence neo-cons have wielded in foreign policy has been an unqualified disaster for the Republican Party. and conservatism in general. Without Iraq, there is no 2006 Democrat takeover of the House and Senate, and ultimately no Barack Obama.


43 posted on 09/22/2013 11:37:56 AM PDT by hcmama
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To: dfwgator

Yup, deja vu all over again.

What about the 5,000 Us service members still in Iraq? The attacks on their bases will ramp up now that the government has lost what little control they had.


44 posted on 09/22/2013 11:37:57 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: al_c

Yes, it was. Obama merely carried out the SOFA Bush had negotiated.


45 posted on 09/22/2013 11:39:15 AM PDT by hcmama
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To: Alberta's Child

Well, what you were criticized for in 2003 is today’s conventional wisdom-—and manifestly obvious to anyone who has a shred of intellectual honesty.


46 posted on 09/22/2013 11:42:05 AM PDT by hcmama
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To: dfwgator

Yes, thank you. Kuwait is a British oil company with a flag and had been part of Basra from the beginning of the Ottoman Empire. The U.S. Ambassador, April Glaspie, was right when she initially told Saddam the U.S. had no position on Arab-Arab border disputes. That should have been and should still be the official position of U.S. foreign policy regarding the Middle East.


47 posted on 09/22/2013 11:49:18 AM PDT by hcmama
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To: Pan_Yan

Welcome to the mid-east. There are no good guys, there are only bad guys that like us and bad guys that don’t. It’s a pick your poison place. If they didn’t have oil the world would fence it off Escape From New York style and go on with our lives.


48 posted on 09/22/2013 11:51:00 AM PDT by discostu (This is Jack Burton in the Pork Chop Express, and I'm talkin' to whoever's listenin' out there.)
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To: hcmama

The Saudis got us into that war, they knew Saddam was about to set his sights on them.


49 posted on 09/22/2013 11:51:05 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: mad_as_he$$

Yup, deja vu all over again.

What about the 5,000 Us service members still in Iraq? The attacks on their bases will ramp up now that the government has lost what little control they had.
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No reason to believe that the ‘greatest SOS ever wasn’t speaking for the admin when she queried:

“WHAT DOES IT MATTER”?

So, just being a reasonable thinker, “THEY” probably have the same mind set here.


50 posted on 09/22/2013 12:00:46 PM PDT by xrmusn (6/98 --Egoist:A person of low taste, more interested in himself than me. (Ambrose Bierce))
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