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U.K. columnist asks if world should intervene to stop U.S. ‘gun violence
examiner ^ | 9/22/13 | David Codrea

Posted on 09/22/2013 9:23:52 AM PDT by Nachum

America is “gripped by civil war” if the “death toll from firearms” is any measure, and the international community should intervene if its policies are to be consistent. That’s the speculative premise of a Saturday polemic in The Observer by Henry Porter, “a journalist specialising in liberty and civil rights.”

Really. How very Orwellian. But then again, for “progressives,” every day is Opposite Day.

“American gun use is out of control,” Porter’s headline generalizes and concludes right from the start.

“[W]hat if we no longer thought of this as just a problem for America,” he asks, “and, instead, viewed it as an international humanitarian crisis -- a quasi civil war, if you like, that calls for outside intervention?”

As for the Second Amendment, “derived from English common law and our 1689 Bill of Rights”?

“We dispensed with these rights long ago, but American gun owners cleave to them with the tenacity that previous generations fought to continue slavery,” he proudly and insultingly proclaims, astonished that owning a gun “is mostly seen as a matter of personal safety,” that is, “when [it’s] not about ludicrous macho fantasy.”

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: columnist; europeanunion; gun; guncontrol; secondamendment; uk; unitedkingdom; violence
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Hmmm... this sounds so familiar. Now where have I heard this before?
1 posted on 09/22/2013 9:23:52 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum; everyone

I’m behind my blade of grass! Everyone Ready?


2 posted on 09/22/2013 9:25:01 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Nachum

Molon labe, bay bee.


3 posted on 09/22/2013 9:25:31 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statemet of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Nachum

Stop U.S. gun violence? Sounds great. If they want to help us fight for unlimited concealed carry in every state, then I certainly welcome their input and assistance.


4 posted on 09/22/2013 9:25:52 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: Nachum

Come and git em.


5 posted on 09/22/2013 9:26:34 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Nachum

They could start with the gun violence in obozo’s hometown.


6 posted on 09/22/2013 9:27:48 AM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: Nachum
Idiots.

Who will dis-arm the inner-city tribal parasites, who are the BULK of the problem?

7 posted on 09/22/2013 9:28:34 AM PDT by traditional1 (Amerika.....Providing public housing for the Mulatto Messiah)
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To: Nachum

I read the original article a couple of days ago. I think the haughty Brit writer was not really serious, just satirizing our penchant for intervening in other countries’ internal affairs. Never-the-less, the writer is a liberal twit like most writers for the Guardian newspaper.


8 posted on 09/22/2013 9:29:21 AM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters for Freedom and Rededicaton to the Principles of the U.S. Constitution)
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To: bgill

Actually..that would be a GREAT idea!

have them come to chicago and let these brainiacs help Rahm!!!! Then i will sit back with popcorn to watch how they “solve” our problem.ha.


9 posted on 09/22/2013 9:30:12 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie
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To: Nachum
Sounds great.
But maybe the Brits need to focus on the epidemic of decapitations, knife deaths and rapes throughout the UK by their resident "Asians..."
10 posted on 09/22/2013 9:30:55 AM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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To: Nachum
Get the criminal thug off the streets with their guns and the problem will be solved..Don’t even think for a minute you will get my gun while I am still breathing..
11 posted on 09/22/2013 9:30:56 AM PDT by PLD
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To: Nachum

If this is ever seriously considered — History will repeat itself with blue helmets substituted for red coats. (Either one makes a fine target.)


12 posted on 09/22/2013 9:31:13 AM PDT by Bob
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To: Nachum

This clueless limey should marry his boyfriend, Piers Morgan.

As Americans, we don’t need any lectures from Europe, a continent who throughout the centuries has been stained with blood as well as the origin of two world wars.


13 posted on 09/22/2013 9:32:53 AM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (The Second Amendment makes all the other amendments possible)
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To: Nachum

Why do they not intervene in muslim nations where suicide bombing are far more rampant? Or Somalia/Kenya, or on the “palestinians”?


14 posted on 09/22/2013 9:33:38 AM PDT by himno hero (hadnuff)
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To: traditional1

That’s a big no-no. In the eyes of the left, gun crime always has to be viewed on a macro level, not a micro one. It’s always America’s gun problem...we’re never supposed to actually look at who is behind the majority of it. To do so might lead to uncomfortable conclusions.


15 posted on 09/22/2013 9:34:20 AM PDT by TheGipperWasRight
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To: Nachum

Rust never sleeps...


16 posted on 09/22/2013 9:35:21 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: TheGipperWasRight

Chicago murders might reach 500
Caracas might reach 4,000

How about send peacekeepers to Venezuela?


17 posted on 09/22/2013 9:35:48 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: Nachum

To be fair, the article is a bit tongue in cheek, at least regarding sending in the UN.

That said...bring it.


18 posted on 09/22/2013 9:37:49 AM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: no-to-illegals
Thank you Admiral Yamamoto. He knew the US better than this guy.
19 posted on 09/22/2013 9:43:44 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (The IRS--a softer Gestapo)
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To: bgill

Or right there in DC.


20 posted on 09/22/2013 9:44:13 AM PDT by Paladin2 (h)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

“have them come to chicago and let these brainiacs help Rahm!!!! Then i will sit back with popcorn to watch how they “solve” our problem.ha.”

In their own countries, they would go into the area and whoever they couldnt jail they would kill.

Communists don’t take any crap.


21 posted on 09/22/2013 9:46:42 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Make today a great day. Insult a liberal.)
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To: Nachum
They will require weapons if they intend to invade us. Shall we contribute to their need once again?


22 posted on 09/22/2013 9:51:46 AM PDT by B4Ranch (AGENDA: Grinding America Down ----- <<http://vimeo.com/63749370)
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To: Nachum

Each European country thinks they’re the size of the US. You can put three Europe’s in the US with room left over. Couple of case in points - Greece = Alabama; Germany = Montana; France = Texas and so on. The US has a bit over 9 million sq. miles while Europe is a bit over 3 million sq. mi. Our Civil War encompassed an area as large as Europe.

When these pipsqueak countries pipe up about how we should do this and that to be more in-line with them is laughable.


23 posted on 09/22/2013 9:54:26 AM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral)
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To: Nachum

Hmm, right - a Brit complaining about intervention in other countries. Rule Britannia and all that. He isn’t the first. One of his countrymen thought it would be a good idea to seize the guns at Concord and Lexington. For our own good, naturally.


24 posted on 09/22/2013 9:55:02 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Nachum

They are writing this crap before the Nairobi mall attack is even resolved. Yeah my owning a handgun is a macho fantasy rather than the myth of self protection. They haven’t got an army big enough to go door to door which is what it would require.


25 posted on 09/22/2013 9:57:52 AM PDT by JimSEA
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To: Bob
If this is ever seriously considered — History will repeat itself with blue helmets substituted for red coats. (Either one makes a fine target.)

Why do I think that if such a scenario were to play out, the US Government would be allied with the blue helmets?

26 posted on 09/22/2013 9:57:57 AM PDT by Maceman (Just say "NO" to tyranny.)
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To: traditional1
Who will dis-arm the inner-city tribal parasites, who are the BULK of the problem?

I have not yet found authoritative documentation for the following, which was posted on FR, but I'm still looking...

GUN CONTROL (2013)
"The U.S. is third in murders throughout the world. If you remove Chicago, Washington, D.C., New Orleans and Detroit then the U.S. is fourth from the bottom. These are four cities with the toughest gun laws in the nation and, of course, these are four cities ruled by Democrats."

27 posted on 09/22/2013 9:58:12 AM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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To: Nachum

Based on what’s happening in Kenya, Zero needs to work for gun control in his own country (Kenya, in case that needed explaining).


28 posted on 09/22/2013 9:58:54 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (Buck Off, Bronco Bama)
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To: Nachum
is the euro-trash feeling froggy??? then jump...

29 posted on 09/22/2013 10:08:19 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Nachum

We fired our cannon ‘til the barrel melted down.
So we grabbed an alligator and we fought another round.
We filled his head with cannon balls, and powdered his behind
And when we touched the powder off, the gator lost his mind.


30 posted on 09/22/2013 10:10:38 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: Maceman
Why do I think that if such a scenario were to play out, the US Government would be allied with the blue helmets?

Specially if, as Obama has suggested, there are muslims under those blue helmets, and he stands with them.
Doesn't matter how old or how sick I am, if that time ever comes, I can't think of a better incentive to drag myself into the fray!

31 posted on 09/22/2013 10:11:17 AM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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To: Nachum

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.


32 posted on 09/22/2013 10:12:26 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Nachum

let’s see should the US intervene to stop London’s chopping up of innocent people by muslims violence ?


33 posted on 09/22/2013 10:16:59 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: B4Ranch

That is so timely and relevant, if a few thousand of us send that image to the fat slob poofter, David Codrea, I am sure it will leave a mark!


34 posted on 09/22/2013 10:17:47 AM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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To: Nachum

Mr Porter can mind his own business.


35 posted on 09/22/2013 10:28:32 AM PDT by sauropod (Fat Bottomed Girl: "What difference, at this point, does it make?")
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To: Vendome
That reminds me of another citation. It's as if Madison had a crystal ball. Freaky!

“It will be of little avail to the people, that the laws are made by men of their own choice, if the laws be so voluminous that they cannot be read, or so incoherent that they cannot be understood; if they be repealed or revised before they are promulgated, or undergo such incessant changes that no man, who knows what the law is today, can guess what it will be to-morrow.”
James Madison

Obamacare, anyone?

36 posted on 09/22/2013 10:35:00 AM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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To: Nachum

Dear U.K. Columnist,
We will be very happy for the world to intervene to lower America’s gun violence.
We know we can lower gun violence by 3/4s, so...
just tell us to which countries we should export our minority population.


37 posted on 09/22/2013 10:37:48 AM PDT by anonsquared
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To: Nachum

I don’t see the World intervening in Kenya, Somalia, or Syria. I think they’ve got worse problems than we do.


38 posted on 09/22/2013 10:46:01 AM PDT by popdonnelly (The right to self-defense is older than the Constitution.)
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To: Nachum
When this guy says get the world involved, what he's actually saying is he wants foreign troops on American soil to control and disarm US citizens. The obozo and his machine would love that.
39 posted on 09/22/2013 10:47:48 AM PDT by drypowder
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To: publius911

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-6

You’ll have to scroll through the list, and tabulate the results, then go to the FBI’s total crimes list for the U.S. and get the total murders, but it’s better than nothing for a starting point.

You can also do the same for rape, and other violent crimes.

There are separate tables at other (U.N., IIRC) sources that list countries by crime rates.


40 posted on 09/22/2013 10:54:18 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: Nachum
Well, the UK columnist, Henry Porter, should ask the UN who has the balls to try it. Even Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto in 1941 understood that trying to invade America would be met “by a rifle behind every blade of grass.”

Besides, how does he propose the UN send in “peacekeepers”? The USAF handles that job for the UN. How will the UN mount a D-Day invasion of the United States?

41 posted on 09/22/2013 10:55:54 AM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: Nachum

Come take em limey scum
Worked so well last time


42 posted on 09/22/2013 11:03:14 AM PDT by thorvaldr
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To: no-to-illegals

My reply to Henry Porter and The Guardian:

Borrowing your line...

“Come and take them, Henry...

Our forefathers handled people of your ilk several times in the past...King George and his Red Coats, Hitler, Tojo, The USSR, etc...

Don’t make the mistake of trusting the current generation of Americans are not up to the task...Oh, wait...Go ahead and underestimate us...Send in the Blue Helmets...I dare you...

I suggest you lead the first wave of confiscation, personally...I’m locked, loaded and behind my blade of grass...Ready?”


43 posted on 09/22/2013 11:38:26 AM PDT by elteemike (Light travels faster than sound...That's why so many people appear bright until you hear them speak!)
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To: Nachum

Rather than fight defense over this, we could fight offense.

Let’s take this battle to THEIR streets.


44 posted on 09/22/2013 11:49:07 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (SWAT stands for Storing Weapons for patriots to Attack Tyranny.)
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The Brits would love to castrate the United States.


45 posted on 09/22/2013 11:51:40 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Nachum
This poppycock must have attended public school in the US. He doesn't know any history. What happened the last time the brits wanted to disarm us!
46 posted on 09/22/2013 12:52:23 PM PDT by Big Mack (I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to eat VEGETABLES!)
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To: Nachum

Yeh tell the world to come on over and and try to intervene. That will be the shortest intervention in history. :-)


47 posted on 09/22/2013 1:21:19 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Nachum; no-to-illegals; BenLurkin; All

Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!


48 posted on 09/22/2013 1:46:00 PM PDT by RebelTex (Soli Deo Gloria, "To God alone the glory")
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To: BenLurkin

49 posted on 09/22/2013 1:52:42 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: RebelTex

America, We’re Taking This Country Back ... Dirt Road Anthem ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb9q1ScC4cg


50 posted on 09/22/2013 2:02:19 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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