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Al-Shabaab: Three Americans Among Gunmen in Kenya Mall
pjmedia.com ^ | 9/22/13 | Bridget Johnson

Posted on 09/22/2013 12:53:59 PM PDT by ColdOne

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To: Toespi

Good grief, couldn’t you have come up with a more attractive picture of the First Gentleman?

Can’t think of any other picture? Neither can I.


101 posted on 09/22/2013 7:27:50 PM PDT by 353FMG ( I refuse to say whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: Nita Nupress

wow -— thank you for posting


102 posted on 09/22/2013 7:36:15 PM PDT by SisterK (its all a spiritual war)
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To: caww
WI walked into my shift at work and asked what was going on...they said there was a bomb threat and dogs were going from store to store. I then said...Well why is everyine still in the building? The response was “we haven’t been dismissed yet”.

I've been in a plant with an explosion and fire; the ceiling tiles in my lab rose and fell in a wave...I grabbed my coat (it was winter and raining) and headed across the road...

Some years before, when I worked at another plant run by unethical management (they bought off people) with lots of fires, releases, injuries, and one cyclohexane "waterfall" when a line failed leading to a reactor...)I learned to ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS carry my house keys clipped somewhere to my clothes, so even if I was separated from my purse, I could drive home and get in through the door.

Learning that the people in charge are frequently 1)ill-informed 2)passive 3)or just plain corrupt and that you are responsible for your own safety is a critical lesson.
103 posted on 09/22/2013 9:55:43 PM PDT by Nepeta
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To: SargeK
"A majority of Americans elected and then re-elected Obama."

Sarge, the truth isn't obvious. Never forget Stalin's wise observation that “it only matters who counts the votes!”. Most federal elections in the US are managed by SEIU employees and Soros has, for at least six years, spent millions on a group of activists called “The Secretary of State Project”, reflecting their astute observation that Secretaries of State manage the voting processes in each state. It is a complicated issue that few understand, made more opaque by the secrecy surrounding our voting mechanisms. Think about it: If your political enemy is allowed to count votes out without any oversight by the opposition, and the counters depend for salaries that feed their families upon a predetermined outcome, would you expect them to report accurate counts for their opponent?

Not long about someone honestly conservative was quizzing a founder of an Egyptian opposition party about the elections that appeared to clearly make Morsi prime minister. She had to explain that in a one party state, where political opponents are regularly pulled of the street to prison and death, and Facebook is literally managed by the Egyptian police, what meaning would you presume elections to have? “Egyptian ‘elections’ are for the Western press.”

U.S. Elections, have no mechanism providing an audit trail for votes; government has eliminated the former safeguards such as paper ballots, and counting ballots in precincts with observers from all parties present, before the ballots are secured and stored. Federal offices cannot be attributed to, or traced to ballot counts. When dozens of precincts report more votes than eligible voters and nothing is done; when voters cannot be asked for proof of citizenship or even identification, our elections are a sham. When ballots disappear into computer memory, ballots into a box never to be seen again, and, in the few challenged cases, the counts change every time they are reported, as with Allen West's effort to get a fair count, we can only repeat what those who count the votes report to the media they control.

As Egyptian Christian, now temporarily in the U. S. after her party partner was killed, not granted a visa in almost two years when Bosnian Muslims have papers in weeks, Cynthia Farahat explained, and recent history has confirmed, The Muslim Brotherhood is hated in Egypt. That is why Egyptians of all classes denounce Obama as a terrorist. She explained that the Muslim Brotherhood has between six hundred and eight hundred thousand members. While Western media claim there are about eleven million Coptic Christians (Coptic means Egyptian), the real number is more like seventeen million, about twenty percent of the Egyptian population. In many if not most Egyptian towns the Wahhabi head coverings for women are not welcome - no hijabs, niqabs or burkas. Egyptians hate the Muslim Brotherhood and see Obama as one of them.

Obama has a title but lots of reasons to question its legitimacy, not least of which is that the secure database with personal information on every U.S. legislator is managed by a firm whose former CEO was a Wahhabi Muslim, John Brennan. Anyone needing to find weaknesses in a legislator doesn't need the NSA, or, as was used to silence Georgia Congressman Nathan Deal when he asked for confirmation of eligibility, the IRS. It was Brennan's employee who gave his life to protect exposure of Obama’s passport and foreign travel records. Is it any surprise that no other congressperson dared raise the eligibility issue?

Why did this happen? Could it be about money? What else to the Saudi's have with which to buy protection? What guides our legislature more certainly than their oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution? While many legislators may not be for sale, the database 'protected' by Brennan's firm provides more than enough with which to threaten anyone Congressman with a family. And never forget, Brennan is now director of the CIA. He is a Sunni Muslim, and is showing his allegiance to his Sunni brothers who feel threatened by Shia Iran, and Iran's proxies, Syria and

104 posted on 09/22/2013 10:46:00 PM PDT by Spaulding
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To: Last Dakotan
Found an answer!

Census indicates that Seattle has the nation’s second-highest Somali population, second only to the Twin Cities area in Minnesota. The African nation of Somalia has been in some degree of civil war for approximately 20 years, taking significant steps toward establishing a stable democracy only recently. The United Nations estimates that the war has displaced hundreds of thousands of ethnic Somalis. Those who seek refuge in the United States are often directed toward major cities with cultural support structures smaller communities are unlikely to provide. Today, Seattle’s Somali population is concentrated around the Rainier Valley area.

105 posted on 09/23/2013 1:55:48 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: Spaulding

Is it definitely confirmed that Brennan is a Sunni? It’s disgusting that a Muslim of any kind was out in that job, but the Sunnis are the worst.


106 posted on 09/23/2013 2:48:19 AM PDT by livius
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To: livius

That would be “put in that job.”


107 posted on 09/23/2013 2:49:36 AM PDT by livius
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To: rrrod

Obama hates Colombia because it finally defeated the Communists. That’s why he and the Dems were very much opposed to the free trade deal. They want to punish the country.

I didn’t know Barry was letting FARC guerrillas into the US. That’s a very scary piece of news.


108 posted on 09/23/2013 2:55:19 AM PDT by livius
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To: ColdOne

Slightly off topic but I read that shoppers reported being called to safety by armed white men. Pictures in the Daily Mail (UK) show white men, or Middle Eastern men, in plain clothes armed with pistols and directing operations. I note that the mall in question is owned by an Israeli businessman, I wonder were the security staff also Israelis. There are reports on the BBC that Israeli operatives are taking part in the ending of the siege. Anyone have any word confirming this?


109 posted on 09/23/2013 3:08:05 AM PDT by PotatoHeadMick
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To: PotatoHeadMick; SJackson; Netz; Eleutheria5
109 posted on 9/23/2013 5:08:05 AM by PotatoHeadMick: “There are reports on the BBC that Israeli operatives are taking part in the ending of the siege. Anyone have any word confirming this?”

I've been reading other reports of the same thing.

Any information on this, SJackson, Eleutheria5, Netz?

With the Kenyan president's nephew and his fiance being killed, I could understand this being a personal desire of the Kenyan president to make sure the best-trained people available were working to end this attack. If it's true that the owners of this mall were Israelis, having the Israelis make themselves available if desired makes a lot of sense.

If the Israelis are involved, I hope the involvement continues beyond the initial stages. I realize the wife of an American diplomat was among those killed, but sadly, I have a lot more confidence in the ability of Israeli intelligence than I do of American intelligence to figure out what happened and who needs to be held accountable. Americans don't seem to be having a good track record recently finding out what happened in places like Libya.

110 posted on 09/23/2013 4:23:46 AM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: darrellmaurina
Israeli INTEL relies to a great extent on HUMINT and less on hi-tech gizmos though they're important too.

I hope this is not the Al-Shabab's way of hitting two birds with one stone, anti-Kenyan and anti-Israeli but we will have to wait and see.

There is no doubt that Jihad and Iranian support has been spread by fielding tens of thousands of fighters all over the world including South America and Mexico...

111 posted on 09/23/2013 4:42:54 AM PDT by Netz
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To: MarMema
Thanks

I must have missed it - when did we vote to allow thousands of third world Muslims to settle in our country?

112 posted on 09/23/2013 6:03:29 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: darrellmaurina

I believe the Kenyan government has acknowledged there are Israeli advisors. Wouldn’t surprise me if there were operators as well, but I doubt they’d announce that


113 posted on 09/23/2013 6:49:43 AM PDT by SJackson ( The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself. BF)
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For what I acknowledge are selfish reasons, I'm glad they're over there. Unfortunately we've got more than three homegrown jihadists. A similar attack(s), even on a much smaller scale, could do significant economic damage.

114 posted on 09/23/2013 7:10:38 AM PDT by SJackson ( The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself. BF)
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To: darrellmaurina

Also, the mall is owned by Israelis


115 posted on 09/23/2013 7:28:49 AM PDT by SJackson ( The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself. BF)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
perhaps entering illegally through the U.S. southwestern border. It’s just a matter of time.

Dude, they don't have to, they are returning US citizens and CBP has no authority to refuse them entry at any port of entry.

116 posted on 09/23/2013 9:31:15 AM PDT by usurper (Liberals GET OFF MY LAWN)
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To: livius
"Is it definitely confirmed that Brennan is a Sunni? It’s disgusting that a Muslim of any kind was out in that job, but the Sunnis are the worst."

These days it is very hard to confirm what is certain, but the first person from whom I heard about Brennan, whose allegiances were revealed long before when he addressed a pro-Palestinian group in Arabic at City University of New York (it is on Youtube) and referred repeatedly to “Al Quds”, the term used by Arabs for Jerusalem, identifying it as a Muslim city, I assumed Brennan was an Arabist, as is Samantha Power, Cass Sunstein’s wife, Grover Norquist, and dozens of others?

Some time last spring man named John Guandolo, who, it turns out, was a Naval Academy graduate, combat Marine with lots of action in the Middle East exposed Brennan. Guandolo resigned his commission to spend twelve years in the FBI where he was the author of the FBI training manual on Islamic Terrorism. He now lectures military and three letter agencies on the threat from Islam. He certainly well understands the risks from the penetration of our government by Muslim Brotherhood operatives. That was his expertise, and some claimed he was the most knowledgable in the FBI

Guandolo explained that his sources were CIA officers, present during the conversion, and that Brennan's wasn't the only conversion. That he, CIA Station Chief in Riyadh, could be converted is testament to how effective Saudi - Wahhabi - proselytizers can be. It was also a clear violation of Brennan's sworn oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution, since Sharia must replace our Constitution, and was also a violation of Brennan's professional responsibilities. Guandolo commented that his CIA sources cannot and will not go public. It would be the end of their careers, and probably more.

I have Arab Christian friends who explained to me that to be present at a conversion one must be Muslim. That would likely explain another reason a CIA agent would need to remain silent. My friends also explained that Brennan revealed his conversion indirectly to anyone who would listen by publicly describing the great beauty at Mecca and Medina, holy sites to which only Muslims are admitted. Brennan also described his year at Al Azhar University in Cairo, declaiming his deep commitment to learn about Sunni Islam. Al Azhar does admit non-Muslims, but never Mecca or Medina. Brennan sounds like he is proud of his conversion, rather like Major Hassan's pride in his faithful adherence to Jihad by killing soldiers who were being sent to kill Muslims. We may admire his commitment to his faith, but need to understand that his faith is committed to converting or killing all non-believers.

What was of more concern to me, having some involvement in the past with three letter agencies as an engineer, is that Brennan was an officer, CEO I believe, of a security firm granted the contract to service the State Department database containing personnel records of our legislators. That the contract could be granted, given Brennan's conversion, is frightening confirmation of the extent of Muslim penetration of our intelligence agencies. It also means, as the Clintons acquired raw FBI files that could be used to 'persuade' legislators, a Wahhabi convert, and ‘retired’ deputy CIA director has access at least to the travel and background records of every U.S. Congressman.

It was Brennan's employee who accessed and ‘ cauterized’ meaning cleaned out, Obama’s State Department records. According to Condoleezza Rice, there was a Justice Department investigation, and Brennan's employee had turned “State's evidence”. As most recall, the employee, Lieutenant Charles Quarles (his first name was actually ‘Lieutenant’) was murdered while he was parked in front of a Church in Virginia.

I mentioned Admiral Lyons because, while he is retired, his connections to military intelligence is extensive and his record is filled with honor. He is supported by a number of other retired senior flag officers, the founder of the Seals and first commander of Special Operations forces, and a half dozen others. Brennan has been asked and, from what I've read, will not answer the direct question “Are you a Wahhabi Muslim?”.

The pieces are there. Guandolo has a series of lectures on Youtube, as does the ‘briefer’ he considers the most authoritative lecturer on Sharia law, Stephan Coughlin. I remember when CAIR and the OIC objected to Coughlin’s being the designated authority to our Congressional intelligence committees. He was publically removed, though still give briefings from the private sector. He as an Army Major, retired, but either reactivated, or voluntarily returned to serve after 9/11. His lectures are brilliant, and one series is available on Youtube.

Retired FBI Operations officer Clare Lopez is another very bright and concise lecturer whose one lecture featured on the Youtube Channel ‘theunitedwest’ is less than an hour long, and a great place to start leaning about the penetration of the our government by the Muslim Brotherhood. Her specialty was the USSR, but after 9/11 she applied her discipline to becoming expert. She has. There clues are all around us but when a man I believe is honorable, G.W. Bush, asserts that “Islam is a religion of peace”, most people believe him. Islam is a religion and legal system designed around Jihad, which is the total subjugation of everyone who doesn't ‘submit’.

That is a long answer, but a sect that only survives with threats and bribes has only subjugation for its survival because men can only compete with excellence who have the freedom to apply their minds. The extent to which Obama is a member, as Egyptians claim, is well obscured. We have known since 2008, for those who didn't believe the media whitewash, that Obama’s mentor since Occidental, was Alwaleed bin-Talal, and his handler was former Black Panther founder, Don Warden, who became a Wahhabi Muslim in the mid-1960s, graduated with a law degree from Berkeley's Boalt Hall, and immediately became counsel to the Saudi Royal Family, a role he has played since the mid-1970s, using the name Khalid al-Mansour.

This information was made public by Percy Sutton whose interview is remarkably still available on Youtube. Sutton was the most important black attorney in the country, attorney to Malcolm X, Louis Farrakhan, the Muslim Brotherhood, and later, Borough President in Manhattan. Sutton was elderly for the interview, 86, but typically careful, lucid, and proud of helping bin-Talal, and his old friend Warden/al-Mansour, get Barry into Harvard Law, sweetened by a donation which appears to have been twenty million dollars, (in 1987, not the 2005 donation for the Alwaleed Bin-Talal Harvard Center for Islamic Study at Harvard Divinity School). Barry was sponsored by the principal sponsor for the international Muslim Brotherhood, the CEO of Kingdom Holdings, the largest, and almost sole investor of Saudi wealth worldwide, called ‘The Arabian Warren Buffet’.

Was Brennan bought? Who knows. Brennan, like Obama, clearly blames Israel for the world's problems, and has lots of company among our legislators, courts, military, and especially our intelligence and State Department. If one accepts Sharia law, Obama, born to one Sunni Muslim father, and adopted by the second, also Sunni, makes him a born Muslim. Gadhafi of Libya claimed Obama as a Muslim Brother. I don't know that it has meaning. But Brennan's conversion certainly does since CIA operatives are fighting for the Sunnis against the Shia, and that puts our nation's defenders in an untenable position where they are ordered to risk their lives to protect people who have sworn to destroy our Constitution and all rights we have fought to protect.

117 posted on 09/23/2013 1:58:03 PM PDT by Spaulding
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To: Spaulding

That’s quite a lot of information and it certainly seems convincing. I have heard this before, but never in such detail. I have always felt there must be Muslims or Muslim terrorist sympathizers in our government, particularly in security, because of the very muted and almost dismissive responses of the authorities to successful Muslim attacks, both here and abroad or even in the field (for example, those horrible attacks on our troops by people we ourselves had trained and trusted). It happens and then it’s gone from public comment immediately, just shrugged off with a bland statement (or even denied entirely, as in the case of Ft Hood).

The problem with Islam is that it is a complete system, not only religious, but civil; all of society, including social relationships and the economy, is supposed to be governed by religious law and by religious authorities. It is the only true theocracy. And it has within it the obligation of its adherents to spread it by force and accept no other authority.

Hence, it does conflict with our Constitution and essentially urges overthrow of the government. I think one could make a very good case for arguing that a Muslim should never be able to hold any governmental position and possibly is someone who should not be made a citizen, since they cannot accept the basic precepts of our system and furthermore are sworn to working against it.

I realize that for many Westernized Muslims in the recent past, this was not something they took very seriously and Islam was more of a cultural artifact than anything else. But the way it so easily reverted back to its violent, repressive ways, which now seem to be accepted without comment by Muslims everywhere, makes it apparent that it is Islam itself that is the problem and that there is a fundamental conflict between Islam and every other system, not only of religious life, but of civil life.

I think our government probably is heavily infiltrated. I don’t know if at some point they will throw off all pretense and emerge to proclaim us an Islamic state, or if they will create a de facto Islamic state through policy.


118 posted on 09/23/2013 3:11:00 PM PDT by livius
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To: livius
I agree with all your comments Livius. The issue is complicated by the left’s apparent partnership. Remember, the German National Socialist, NAZIs, partnered with the young Muslim Brotherhood, and both used the ancient tactic of blaming Jews for their economic failures. An advisor to Himmler, and Goebbles, was the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Arafat's Uncle, and Muslim Brotherhood.

The enormous influence of the skillfully applied billions controlled by the Saudis has much to do with it. The Saudi’s bailed out Citibank, Goldman Sachs, AIG, and hold major shares in virtually all our major media outlets. They hold controlling shares of News Corp, FOX News and WSJ, and large holding in GE, NBC and MSNBC, and many others I'm not expert enough to recall. The Control of the Republican party came as a surprise to me, but seeing Pam Geller and Robert Spencer banned from CPAC, controlled by Grover Norquist who, if he isn't a Muslim, has openly supported ISNA and CARI, both unindicted co-conspirators in the Holyland Foundation decision, such as Suhail Khan, whose father is an ISNA (Islamic Society of North America) founder.

We have over two thousand Wahabbi Mosques in the US. Mohammad in the name of Allah described Mosques as ‘fortresses’, and he meant fortresses for the execution of Jihad, which is only defined as martial force, aggression. I fear it will take a dozen World Trade Centers, and worry about the bridges and tunnels my children and I use every day. The public is not stupid. People have jobs and children and worries that consume attention until they cannot avoid the dangers getting closer. Look at Europe, where every rape and attack on women for the past ten years in Norway was committed by an “Asian”, their euphemism for Muslim. Most Scandinavian countries have neighborhoods controlled by Muslim courts, Sharia, where national police are not permitted entry. England has over twenty Sharia courts, and its current leader, Cameron, insists that the Nairobi attack was not related to Muslims, only violent criminals.

Our Military knew that Major Hassan’s attack was motivated by his allegiance to the Qur’an. Hassan has corrected the court and the media several times, and cited the Suras that required him to kill soldiers. Our military is now required to observe Sharia ‘Blasphemy Laws’ and is not allowed to use the terms ‘Jihad’ and ‘Islamic Terrorism’. Hassan believes the Qur’an, that his most direct path to heaven, one that includes all his immediate relatives, is through Jihad, aggression to impose Allah's law on the unbelievers.

Your job, “if you chose to accept it”, is to pass on what you know to those who have been misled by a compliant media and complicit government. As Egyptians have said, quite openly after throwing out Obama’s man Morsi, is that the US is an ally of the Muslim Brotherhood, a sect most Egyptians, including Muslims, hate. There were many Germans who tried to get our government to help them overthrow Hitler (Read Diana West's American Betrayal). Alger Hiss created the UN, Dexter White the IMF and World Bank, and Harry Hopkins became the gateway to Roosevelt. Hiss and White were KGB agents and Hopkins probably was, according to Soviet documents. Hillary's chief of staff, Huma, is Muslim Brotherhood, Obama's counterterrorism Czar, Brennan, is now CIA Director. DHS just promoted a prominent CAIR executive to senior leadership, and Obama had two Muslim, and alien, fathers. We were already infiltrated by KGB operatives when WWII began. Today we are infiltrated by Muslim Brotherhood, both parties, but the ‘grass roots’ of America, being assailed by ‘statists’, will resist once they understand the extent to which we are being used as ‘muscle’ by the Muslim Brotherhood.

119 posted on 09/23/2013 4:48:47 PM PDT by Spaulding
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To: darrellmaurina

It appears the armed white man who summoned survivors may well have been an off-duty British SAS special forces soldier. There were pictures of him in the media escorting two women out of the mall, what most people presumably at the newsdesks didn’t notice at first was the pistol stuck in the waistband of his jeans. His face has now been pixellated on the internet.

The middle-eastern looking guys who clearly look like they know what they’re doing have as yet not been identified. My bet is they are mall security and are Israelis.


120 posted on 09/23/2013 7:13:04 PM PDT by PotatoHeadMick
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