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Alaska Glacier Thaws, Ancient Forest Emerges
WebProNews ^ | Sept 21, 2013 | By Erika Watts

Posted on 09/22/2013 3:11:20 PM PDT by Islander7

News that will no doubt spark global warming debates, an ancient forest floor has surfaced thanks to an Alaska glacier thawing. According to Live Science, trees in the forest are at least 1,000 years old.

Stumps and logs coming from the thawing glacier were first noticed 50 years ago, but the forest has begun to emerge only recently. Scientists from University of Alaska Southeast in Juneau noticed more trees popping up while studying the thawing Mendenhall Glacier. Many of the trees on the Alaska glacier, which is a 36.8-square-mile river of ice flowing into a lake near Juneau, are reportedly upright.

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Connor said that her team has done some radiocarbon testing on the trees to determine the age of the forest. The researcher feels comfortable putting the forest at 1,000 years old, and some trees have tested even older. The oldest tree Connor has found on the Mendenhall Glacier is around 2,350 years old.
1 posted on 09/22/2013 3:11:20 PM PDT by Islander7
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To: Islander7

I would like to ask greenies what was the climate change that froze over a forest 1000 years ago?


2 posted on 09/22/2013 3:12:50 PM PDT by omega4179
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To: Islander7

So it was warmer 1000 to 2300 years ago?


3 posted on 09/22/2013 3:13:10 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Islander7
so 1000 years ago, Alaska was warmer than it is TODAY!!!

we're all gonna die...

4 posted on 09/22/2013 3:13:44 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Islander7

Explain to me how I am going to use this information to stop the democrat controlled legislature in California from enacting a Carbon Tax?


5 posted on 09/22/2013 3:16:06 PM PDT by Ben Mugged (The number one enemy of liberalism is reality.)
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To: Islander7

So the trees were swallowed by one of the “little” ice ages.

Makes sense.

Of course, that means we have to kill billions and impoverish the rest to keep the Earth from warming again.....


6 posted on 09/22/2013 3:16:16 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: omega4179
Stumps and logs coming from the thawing glacier were first noticed 50 years ago

The glacier must have been melting because of those 1960 SUV's (aka station wagons).


7 posted on 09/22/2013 3:16:36 PM PDT by Iron Munro (When a killer screams 'Allahu Akbar' you don’t need to be mystified about a motive.)
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To: omega4179

“I would like to ask greenies what was the climate change that froze over a forest 1000 years ago?”

Please do not use facts, it only confuses them....


8 posted on 09/22/2013 3:18:55 PM PDT by stockpirate (Build a gallows outside the Capital and they will come...)
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To: Islander7

You mean maybe there was a medieval warm period?


9 posted on 09/22/2013 3:19:40 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: Islander7

bump


10 posted on 09/22/2013 3:22:53 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Islander7

If this glacier has been flowing as a river of ice for at least 1000 years then how the h are the trees still standing? Sounds to me like avalanche melt out.


11 posted on 09/22/2013 3:24:54 PM PDT by Recompennation (Constitutional protection for all not just selectively for Democrats.)
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To: Islander7

Ask a global warming fanatic which is better to have: trees or glaciers. Then stand back and see how much sense they make.


12 posted on 09/22/2013 3:28:19 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: Islander7

This can’t be right, glaciers have existed since the dawn of time. Glaciers only started melting after the invention of the SUV.


13 posted on 09/22/2013 3:33:29 PM PDT by eclecticEel (Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness: 7/4/1776 - 3/21/2010)
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To: omega4179

Yup. Obviously it’s a natural occurence.


14 posted on 09/22/2013 3:39:03 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: cripplecreek

And for a long period of time, perhaps centuries, because forests don’t grow up overnight.


15 posted on 09/22/2013 3:39:08 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (From time to time the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.)
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To: Islander7
2000 year old trees underneath a glacier... obviously it was warmer then than it is now.

Someone please explain to "Moby".

16 posted on 09/22/2013 3:40:29 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: skeeter

bump


17 posted on 09/22/2013 3:40:48 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Islander7

Soooo.. the ice age happened to that forest at some time... The forest was living a happy life until an ice age came upon it! gees.


18 posted on 09/22/2013 3:43:15 PM PDT by laffnatu
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To: skeeter
Some folks are just intentionally and desperately stupid.


19 posted on 09/22/2013 3:46:41 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: skeeter

I saw “Moby” the little idiot comment....

The sea level will rise 14 ft ?

He is living up to his tweeter tag...


20 posted on 09/22/2013 3:47:58 PM PDT by Popman (Liberal wars are about killing people for humanitarian reasons...)
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To: 75thOVI; agrace; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aragorn; aristotleman; Avoiding_Sulla; ...
According to Live Science, trees in the forest are at least 1,000 years old. Stumps and logs coming from the thawing glacier were first noticed 50 years ago...
Thanks Islander7:
The researcher feels comfortable putting the forest at 1,000 years old, and some trees have tested even older. The oldest tree Connor has found on the Mendenhall Glacier is around 2,350 years old.
IOW, 1000 years ago the climate there was warm enough for live trees to grow, without glacial cover. This evidence (like all the other evidence) confirms that the climate is 100 percent natural, 100 percent of the time.


21 posted on 09/22/2013 3:48:24 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; ...

Thanks Islander7.

22 posted on 09/22/2013 3:48:50 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: redgolum; All
"Of course, that means we have to kill billions
and impoverish the rest to keep the Earth
from warming again....."

Zimbabwe Carbon Footprint photo ZimbabweCarbonFootprint.jpg

23 posted on 09/22/2013 3:53:42 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Islander7
There should be some really unique wood available if the forest is of any size. The tight grains and unique woods make for some great guitars, knife handles, furniture, and specialty items. I'd like to have knife handles that are thousands of years old to go with the ones that are made from Woolly Mammoths.
24 posted on 09/22/2013 4:04:01 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: Islander7

I cant wait to see more photographs of the New Growth!!

Trees take in carbon ....dioxide...and release...oxygen as I remember.


25 posted on 09/22/2013 4:05:29 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( Un-Documented Journalist / Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team)
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To: vetvetdoug

All the Global warming crap aside, this is a fascinating story and I would agree the wood could be extraordinary if preserved.


26 posted on 09/22/2013 4:06:59 PM PDT by volunbeer (We must embrace austerity or austerity will embrace us)
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To: Islander7; SunkenCiv

Swiss Glaciers Expose Earlier Warm Periods

Receding glaciers in the Swiss Alps are exposing evidence of earlier warm Holocene periods. Researchers are discovering that green forests once existed under the ice and that the Alps were mostly greener than today. New findings obtained by a Swiss glaciologist cast more doubt on today’s global warming hypotheses.

The following is a summary essay of the report that appeared in the Swiss news journal Die Weltwoche by Alex Reichmuth

SIGNS OF EARLIER CLIMATE CHANGES.(in german)

Christian Schlüchter, Professor of Geology, and his team of researchers are studying remnants of ancient trees and peat that have been exposed by melting glaciers high in the Swiss Alps. At first sight, these pieces of wood may not look spectacular, but they are up to 10,000 years old and have a story to tell.

These tree remnants include complete tree trunks that were scraped and twisted by the massive ice sheets that once covered them. Over time these chunks of wood were transported by the glaciers partway down the Alps, and it was not exactly sure from what elevation they originated. But the wood chunks and peat prove one thing: Today, where one now only finds bare rock and gravel, and even where there is still ice, trees once grew there thousands of years ago.

DITTO IN ENGLISH

27 posted on 09/22/2013 4:09:50 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Islander7

We lived about two miles from the Mendenhall Glacier for over 20 years. In fact, our back yard gully/bank was part of the 1763 terminal moraine which meanders across the Mendenhall Valley. The huge boulders left behind can be of impressive size.


28 posted on 09/22/2013 4:18:56 PM PDT by dainbramaged (Joe McCarthy was right.)
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To: vetvetdoug
"The tight grains and unique woods make for some great guitars, knife handles, furniture, and specialty items. "

NEW 32,000 YEAR OLD BASS

The NS-30K BC utilized what is believed to be the oldest wood ever used in the construction of a musical instrument.

Obtained by Spector from logs discovered buried 40 feet deep in a sand quarry in Georgia, USA,the wood is perfectly preserved, due to the sterile nature of the sand and the natural decay resistance of the cypress wood itself.

Using carbon 14 testing techniques, samples of the wood were examined by Beta Analytics, in Miami, to check for radioactive decay in the small amount of carbon that is present in all living organisms. This wood was dated as 31,970 years old, plus or minus 570 years.

Wooly Mammoth ivory for the 12th fret inlay.

http://www.spectorworld.com/wspector.htm

29 posted on 09/22/2013 4:20:47 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Tagline: (optional, printed after your name on post))
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To: dainbramaged

That’s awesome
Just had my first visit to Alaska 2 weeks ago.
It’s just amazing.


30 posted on 09/22/2013 4:24:28 PM PDT by nascarnation (Democrats control the Presidency, Senate, and Media. It's an uphill climb....)
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To: Fred Nerks
I really wonder what those damned Neanderthals were doing to cause the destruction of the wonderful forests! OOPS!! Wrong time span ---- silly me! The early Native Americans were the culprits!!! Typical patriarchal society. They MUST have been those damned Conservatives, up to their usual no good!

Nam Vet

31 posted on 09/22/2013 4:25:46 PM PDT by Nam Vet (The Commander-in-ept will solve all problems ... just wait 'til after vacation !)
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To: Islander7
The researcher feels comfortable putting the forest at 1,000 years old, and some trees have tested even older.

Right about the time of the Medieval Warm Period. The one the climate activists claim was just a local European phenomenon.

32 posted on 09/22/2013 4:30:14 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Nam Vet

Optical illusion: From afar it looks as if nothing has changed, but look a little closer and ti becomes clear this glacier has been coated in a hundreds of white blankets. Researchers go to great lengths every summer to cover the ice in an effort to slow the melting process caused by global warming

MILES OF BLANKETS. LINK

The Rhone Glacier in Switzerland has been retreating for 150 years, but new research shows that it was smaller than it is toady 11,500 years ago. Scientists warn however that these fluctuations were without man's influence showing how sensitive glaciers are to small climate changes

OBVIOUSLY, YOU CAN'T CURE STUPID.

33 posted on 09/22/2013 4:33:25 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: PapaBear3625

So, maybe we can get our scientists to proclaim the warmer temperatures of 1000 years ago as “normal”, and get the rabid greenies to do everything possible to INCREASE the carbon footprint?

Brrr, I feel a chill coming on. Time to fire up the BBQ!


34 posted on 09/22/2013 4:36:36 PM PDT by Tigerized (So. Are YOU better off than you were 5 years ago?)
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To: omega4179; SunkenCiv

That would be the “Little Ice Age.” Before that, from 800 to 1200 A.D., we have a time called the “Medieval Warming Period,” when average temperatures were higher than they are today.


35 posted on 09/22/2013 4:59:30 PM PDT by Berosus (I wish I had as much faith in God as liberals have in government.)
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To: SunkenCiv

If it wasn’t for global warming, Chicago would still be under a mile of ice.


36 posted on 09/22/2013 5:11:34 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statemet of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Islander7
I have pictures of the Mendenhall Glacier from my and my better half's Alaska trip just this past July.

What the article DOES NOT SAY is that Glaciers are either stable, in retreat or advancing. Stable means they aren't "moving" or thawing. "Retreat" means the glacier is pulling back and shrinking. "Advancing" means the glacier is growing and moving forward.

I do not recall the rate that we were told the Mendenhall Glacier was retreating however it didn't sound like a substantial amount compared to the other glaciers we saw in Glacier National Park or College Fjord.

What it *should* mean, is that Alaska was WARMER during another period prior to the glacier ADVANCING (and now retreating.)

Any Alaska Freepers on here that might have more info or correct what I put above please weigh in......

37 posted on 09/22/2013 5:13:59 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Berosus

It’s truly frightening that the selfish, excessive consumption and especially the burning of fossil fuels by Americans is so damaging that it can go back and cause global warming even a millennium ago.

We are...that evil.

(I hope I don’t need a /sarc tag.)


38 posted on 09/22/2013 5:14:57 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: Islander7

Photograph of the exposed roots and lower trunk of a tree that has recently eroded out of its entraining glacial sediment, Muir Inlet, Glacier Bay National Park, Alaska. The top of the tree was sheared off by an advance of Muir Glacier ~ 8,000 years ago.

The study of tree rings and subfossil wood to provide information about the glacial and climatic history of an area.

source

Photograph of several exposed tree trunks, recently eroded out of glacial-lacustrine sediment, south of the eastern margin of Bering Glacier, Alaska. The slab of wood that was cut from the tree in the foreground will have its rings analyzed and will have samples of individual rings radiocarbon dated. The tree was sheared off by an advance of Being Glacier ~ 1,500 years ago. Photograph by Austin Post. Bering Glacier flows through Wrangell-Saint Elias National Park

39 posted on 09/22/2013 5:16:53 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: cripplecreek; skeeter
Please ask him this: Thank you.
40 posted on 09/22/2013 5:21:18 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: cripplecreek

I did this once when they we claiming a 60’ rise. Calculate how many cubic miles of ice would need to met to raise sea level by 14’.

It takes a while, but basically figure out the square miles covered by water on the planet, and figure out the volume it would take to fill it up, then figure out the square miles of available land and how much ice would need to be sitting on land waiting to thaw.

I believe my answer was every square mile of available land needed to be under about 20 miles of ice. I know there is quite a bit of error in the math, but it is all on the side of the numbers being to low since quite a bit of ice is already in the ocean, and the earth is not a flat plane, so the volume goes up with altitude. What a bunch of F’n morons these people think we all are.


41 posted on 09/22/2013 5:30:42 PM PDT by Woodman
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To: Ben Mugged

We can’t.

Science and facts only matter to Statists when they can be manipulated to make a point for their advantage.


42 posted on 09/22/2013 5:31:20 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: musicman

Love that cartoon.


43 posted on 09/22/2013 5:31:56 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum

44 posted on 09/22/2013 5:43:23 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Ben Mugged
Explain to me how I am going to use this information to stop the democrat controlled legislature in California from enacting a Carbon Tax?

Tell them it would be...
A) Racist
B) Homophobic
C) Sexist
D) All the above

They don't really give a s*** about any science or facts. They have pandering to do and money to extort.

45 posted on 09/22/2013 5:53:31 PM PDT by Ditto
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To: Islander7

Definite proof warming and climate change is a natural cycle.


46 posted on 09/22/2013 6:38:16 PM PDT by jyro (French-like Democrats wave the white flag of surrender while we are winning)
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To: vetvetdoug

How about some totem poles, made from ancient trees? Great for Juneau and Klowack parks.


47 posted on 09/22/2013 7:16:31 PM PDT by tillacum
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To: Ben Mugged

Get one of the tree limbs and use it to knock some sense into those fools.


48 posted on 09/22/2013 7:22:03 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Fred Nerks

The horror. Why don’t they just stop killing the trees. It hurts them, the cutting.


49 posted on 09/22/2013 7:23:02 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: BenLurkin

If it wasn’t for global warming, Al Gore would be living off of his senate and vp retirement and sharing half with his ex misses. Now he has more money then he can ever spend.


50 posted on 09/22/2013 7:23:04 PM PDT by tillacum
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