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What the Secular Media Doesn't Know about Pope Francis
American Thinker ^ | September 22, 2013 | Alicia Colon

Posted on 09/22/2013 3:41:39 PM PDT by Zakeet

In recent columns in the mainstream press, columnists have been distorting gleefully the Pope's recent statements to make it appear he's the liberal that will bring the Catholic Church in line with their own agenda. (See: What the Pope really said.)

In actuality, Pope Francis is no more likely to approve gay marriage or homosexual activity than any other pope. If the media were less agenda-driven, they would be trying to debunk a miracle that defies explanation and which involves Pope Francis when he was a bishop in Argentina in 1996.

For many Christians, Holy Communion is a symbolic ritual, but Catholics believe it is in fact His divine body and blood. This sounds absolutely nuts, but it's a matter of faith. However, I had never heard about the Eucharistic miracle until a friend sent me a YouTube video explaining what it was all about.

On August 18, 1996 in Buenos Aires, Argentina, at Holy mass, a woman discovered a discarded host on a candleholder and brought it to Fr. Alejandro Pezet who placed it in a container of water inside the tabernacle of the chapel of the Blessed Sacrament. The following Monday, August 26, upon opening the tabernacle, the priest was astonished to find that the Host had become a bloody substance and he notified his Bishop Jorge Bergoglio (now Pope Francis I), who gave instructions that the bloodied flesh be photographed. When the photographs were taken on September 6, the bloodied flesh had grown significantly in size. After it had been kept in the tabernacle for a few years the Bishop decided to have it scientifically analyzed since it had not suffered any visible decomposition.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: christianity; miracle; msm; pope; popefrancis; rcc; romancatholic; secularmedia

The entire article is well worth a read IMHO!

1 posted on 09/22/2013 3:41:39 PM PDT by Zakeet
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To: narses; NYer
Ping to an article of interest.
2 posted on 09/22/2013 3:43:04 PM PDT by Zakeet (Democrats haven't destroyed your freedoms ... you can still visit them at the Smithsonian)
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To: Zakeet
A desecration of the host. What are they supposed to do with a desecrated host?

The priest (or maybe someone else) can consume it if it's not gotten unfit to eat in some way. Who would stick a consecrated host on a candlestick like that? If they didn't want it, they shouldn't have taken it or returned it to the Eucharistic minister.

A: A host which has been partially consumed in some way may be disposed of by placing it in water until it has dissolved, and then pouring the water into the sacrarium or into the ground.

Well, I don't see where they did anything too wrong. It should take some time to dissolve.

While searching for the answer, I read that they are not supposed to use those huge hosts. They are supposed to be smaller than the diameter of the chalice in case some particles fall off. I've been to masses with large hosts and received pieces of them which I thought was kind of special but maybe they aren't supposed to do it.

I've never seen one of those huge ones used, found several pictures on a website.

3 posted on 09/22/2013 4:07:36 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: Zakeet

Although I believe in separation of church and state, I also believe in separation of homosexuality and church, of abortion and church. The church cannot allow sin into its midst and still remain the church. The Left won’t be satisifed until there are homosexual abortion doctor priests.


4 posted on 09/22/2013 4:11:12 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: Zakeet

Very interesting.


5 posted on 09/22/2013 4:11:35 PM PDT by svcw (Stand or die)
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To: Zakeet; NYer

It is an interesting article. I shall mull it around more after I review the links. The key point will be the verification the host was kept free of all contamination other than the original desecration.


6 posted on 09/22/2013 4:16:22 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Zakeet
Thanks for posting this. Very cool!

I'll confess to being a Drudge headline reader who's gotten a bad impression of the current Pope. Shame on me. They, the MSM, hate him and what he stands for only slightly more than they hate us I suppose.

7 posted on 09/22/2013 4:18:35 PM PDT by WhoisAlanGreenspan?
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To: WhoisAlanGreenspan?; Zakeet
God knows that foolish false miracles believed by credulous people are a dime a dozen: but this one looks different. If Alicia is accurate (and I have been reading her for years and have never known her to be other than accurate) this looks carefully verified. Hmm...

But getting the discussion back to the media spinning of Pope Francis: I do wonder how many people here actually read Pope Francis' 12,000 word interview?

The full text can be found in the U.S. publication American Magazine (www.americamagazine.org) and in the UK based online journal Thnking Faith (www.thinkingfaith.org)

It's Christ-centered, evangelical, and beautiful. In fact, I didn't think there's anything in it that an Evangelical Christian couldn't enthusiastically endorse or at least understand favorably; and there's plenty there to challenge left and right alike.

It glorifies Jesus Christ and radiates goodwill toward other people of goodwill whomever they may be.

The liberal media have done their usual cultural vandalism on it: select, discard, crop, and frame. If you read the whole thing I assure you it will be well worth your time.

8 posted on 09/22/2013 4:24:04 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (B.A.S.I.C. = "Brothers and Sisters in Christ")
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To: Zakeet

BTTT


9 posted on 09/22/2013 4:27:35 PM PDT by kitkat (STORM THE HEAVENS WITH PRAYERS FOR OUR COUNTRY.)
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To: Zakeet
This sounds a lot like the Eucharistic Miracle of Lanciano
10 posted on 09/22/2013 4:30:43 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Zakeet

She says the Eucharist is the Body of Christ; that she is a practicing Catholic; and that it sounds nuts.

She also says it is a matter of faith.

I once went to Mass at Mother Angelica’s Church of Our lady of the Angels.

The priest, a very devoted priest, whom I’ve seen often since, said, holding up the Eucharist, that it was Jesus, the Body of Jesus, whether we believed it or not.

So, it is not the Body of Christ if we believe it, as the writer says, It’s the Body of Christ no matter what we believe.


11 posted on 09/22/2013 4:39:34 PM PDT by stanne
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To: Mrs. Don-o; WhoisAlanGreenspan?; Zakeet

I am continually amazed at the number of people here to routinely denounce the NYSlimes and the rest of the MSM as untrustworthy on political issues, yet they parrot the MSM’s lies and mis-direction about the words of the Pope and most other Christian leaders. I can only guess wonder WHY they follow the MSM’s mis-leading on whatever the Pope says like lemmings.


12 posted on 09/22/2013 4:50:06 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Zakeet
There are a whole bunch of Eucharistic miracles.

Mexico Archdiocese Investigating Possible Eucharistic Miracle
‘Bleeding’ Eucharist at Primary School in Moruga [Trinidad]
The Eucharistic Miracle of Lanciano, Italy (The Body and Blood of Christ) [Catholic Caucus]
Do You Believe in Eucharistic Miracles?
Eucharistic Miracle at St. Stephen's in New Boston MI.(Catholic Caucas)
[CATHOLIC CAUCUS] EUCHARISTIC MIRACLES

[CATHOLIC CAUCUS]'Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity': The Miracle and Gift of the Most Holy Eucharist
Looking After a Eucharistic Miracle (Franciscan Recounts His Special Mission in Siena)
Eucharistic Miracle: 2009?
Possible Eucharistic Miracle in Poland
The Eucharistic Miracles(Catholic Caucus)
Vatican display exhibits eucharistic miracles
Eucharistic Miracle - Bolsena-Orvieto, Italy
Physician Tells of Eucharistic Miracle of Lanciano -Verifies Authenticity of the Phenomenon
BLOOD TYPE FOUND IN ICONS IS SAME AS IN SHROUD OF TURIN AND 'LANCIANO MIRACLE'
Eucharistic Miracle: Lanciano,Italy-8th Century A.D.

13 posted on 09/22/2013 4:57:49 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: GreyFriar

So true


14 posted on 09/22/2013 5:01:28 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Zakeet

http://www.americamagazine.org/pope-interview

Complete text


15 posted on 09/22/2013 5:01:58 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

“The Left won’t be satisifed until there are homosexual abortion doctor priests.”

Yep. And not just in Roman Catholic churches but in all Protestant and Eastern Orthodox ones as well. And even then they will never be satisfied. To be leftist requires one to never be satisfied.


16 posted on 09/22/2013 5:08:49 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: Zakeet
I have never heard of this miracle. Thanks for posting about it.

As for the MSM, I'm sure they are in for a shock, as they discover that the Pope is indeed Catholic :-)

17 posted on 09/22/2013 5:19:05 PM PDT by Pajamajan (Pray for our nation. Thank the Lord for everything you have. Don't wait. Do it today.)
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To: Zakeet

Fascinating. I also never heard of this miracle before reading this.


18 posted on 09/22/2013 5:27:48 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

The full article mentions the Lanciano miracle. Here’s an extract, with part of what is said. Fascinating:

“Yet this was only the beginning of what would be a phenomenal enigma. DNA tests on the sample showed it to be that of a male, AB positive blood type. What is extraordinary about this fact is that the DNA is the exact same match as another Eucharist ‘miracle’ that took place in the 8th century in Lanciano, Italy confirming that both samples came from the same person.”


19 posted on 09/22/2013 5:32:26 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Pajamajan

“As for the MSM, I’m sure they are in for a shock, as they discover that the Pope is indeed Catholic :-)”

I’m a Protestant and I’m fully looking forward to that event myself. :)


20 posted on 09/22/2013 5:36:26 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: Mrs. Don-o

“I didn’t think there’s anything in it that an Evangelical Christian couldn’t enthusiastically endorse or at least understand favorably”

I read the whole article. It had a number of statements that I would object to...most importantly, a failure to mention repentance prior to forgiveness.


““I mention to Pope Francis that there are Christians who live in situations that are irregular for the church or in complex situations that represent open wounds. I mention the divorced and remarried, same-sex couples and other difficult situations. What kind of pastoral work can we do in these cases? What kinds of tools can we use?

“We need to proclaim the Gospel on every street corner,” the pope says, “preaching the good news of the kingdom and healing, even with our preaching, every kind of disease and wound. In Buenos Aires I used to receive letters from homosexual persons who are ‘socially wounded’ because they tell me that they feel like the church has always condemned them. But the church does not want to do this. During the return flight from Rio de Janeiro I said that if a homosexual person is of good will and is in search of God, I am no one to judge. By saying this, I said what the catechism says. Religion has the right to express its opinion in the service of the people, but God in creation has set us free: it is not possible to interfere spiritually in the life of a person.

“A person once asked me, in a provocative manner, if I approved of homosexuality. I replied with another question: ‘Tell me: when God looks at a gay person, does he endorse the existence of this person with love, or reject and condemn this person?’ We must always consider the person. Here we enter into the mystery of the human being. In life, God accompanies persons, and we must accompany them, starting from their situation. It is necessary to accompany them with mercy. When that happens, the Holy Spirit inspires the priest to say the right thing.”

Please notice the question involved same sex couples - people living and practicing homosexual acts.


21 posted on 09/22/2013 5:48:02 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: GreyFriar

I never said I believed what I saw in the headlines, I just thought to myself. “Dude! I can launch into a ten minute tirade on how God is unlimited, and how proving anything about him, and anything that he asks of us less than having faith in him is probably wrong.” But there’s no doubt here, the forces of evil have a willing partner in the MSM. Sadly.


22 posted on 09/22/2013 5:59:54 PM PDT by WhoisAlanGreenspan?
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To: Mr Rogers
Those paragraphs you quoted don't mention contrition, but this was in the larger context of confession and repentance. Pope Francis went on to say:

"The confessor, for example, is always in danger of being either too much of a rigorist or too lax. Neither is merciful, because neither of them really takes responsibility for the person. The rigorist washes his hands so that he leaves it to the commandment. The loose minister washes his hands by simply saying, ‘This is not a sin’ or something like that. In pastoral ministry we must accompany people, and we must heal their wounds."

This is what he's getting at, and I think he's right. He sees that rigorism and laxity both deviate from the path of true mercy. The rigorist says "You're wrong" and chop-chop, that's it. He's a Pharisee who won't lift a finger to help. The laxist says "You're OK, it's all good," and again, does not help the sinner to understand his sin, nor to become free of it.

The key is seeing the person, first. Not the sin, but the person. What follows is a relationship of trust, in which the sinner knows you're for him. How else can you lead him to Christ?

23 posted on 09/22/2013 6:19:08 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (B.A.S.I.C. = "Brothers and Sisters in Christ")
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

It is like Lanciano. I’ve seen it myself. What’s amazing to me is, this newer miracle in SA, matches the blood type and DNA of the one in Lanciano. If true, that’s just incredible.


24 posted on 09/22/2013 10:25:54 PM PDT by virgil
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas; Mrs. Don-o

John 4:48
“Unless you people see signs and wonders,” Jesus told him, “you will never believe.”

John 6:30
The people asked him, “What miracle are you going to perform so that we can see it and believe in you?


25 posted on 09/23/2013 2:48:38 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mr Rogers
I replied with another question: ‘Tell me: when God looks at a gay person, does he endorse the existence of this person with love, or reject and condemn this person?’ We must always consider the person.

Ok; let's CONSIDER.....


Genesis 13:13
Now the men of Sodom were wicked and were sinning greatly against the LORD.

Genesis 18:20-21
20. Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and
their sin so grievous
21. that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."

Genesis 19:4-7
4. Before they had gone to bed, all the men
from every part of the city of Sodom--both young and old--surrounded the house.
5. They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them
."
6. Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him
7. and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing.

Psalms 12:8 The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among men.

Doonesbury Cartoon for Feb/08/2013

Isaiah 3:9 The look on their faces testifies against them; they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it. Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves.

2 Peter 2:13b Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.


Ezekiel 16:49-50
49. "`Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
50. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.



2 Peter 2

1. But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
3. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
4. For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment;
5. if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;
6. if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
7. and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men
8. (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)--
9. if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.
10. This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature and despise authority. Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings;
11. yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord.
12. But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
13. They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done.
Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.



But there IS hope!!!

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

9. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10. nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.


If you could NOT change, you would be in most pitiful shape...
 

 
 
 
 

26 posted on 09/23/2013 2:51:43 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Salvation
... blood genetically analyzed from the weeping icons was tested by a prestigious university and allegedly found to be unique to earth...

Someone ain't 100% sure...


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1338543/posts

27 posted on 09/23/2013 2:56:58 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; ...
h/t to freeper GreyFriar for the ping.

In 1999, in the presence of then Cardinal Bergoglio, Dr. Ricardo Castanon, an atheist at the time, sent the fragment to New York for analysis, but did not inform the team of scientists its origin so as not to prejudice the study. One scientist, Dr. Frederic Zugibe, a cardiologist and forensic pathologist, determined that the substance was real flesh and contained human DNA, and furthermore he concluded was a piece of heart muscle.

Yet this was only the beginning of what would be a phenomenal enigma. DNA tests on the sample showed it to be that of a male, AB positive blood type. What is extraordinary about this fact is that the DNA is the exact same match as another Eucharist 'miracle' that took place in the 8th century in Lanciano, Italy confirming that both samples came from the same person.

Miracle of Lancian

Ping!

28 posted on 09/23/2013 6:42:05 AM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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To: NYer; All

I’ve shared about these Eucharistic miracles for a few years now. Here are some interesting videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Av6teFZNycM&feature=PlayList&p=7BE76C0F62D4FF54&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PJ8BORx1p8

There are many Eucharistic miracles...though not many Catholics know about them. It might be good to share the following books:

http://www.amazon.com/This-Blood-Miracles-Eucharist-Books/dp/1580025161/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1379945861&sr=1-1&keywords=Eucharistic+miracles+penny+lord

;-)


29 posted on 09/23/2013 7:18:55 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: GreyFriar
I can only guess wonder WHY they follow the MSM’s mis-leading on whatever the Pope says like lemmings.

Instead of PROTESTants, maybe we should call them PROTESTlemmings.

30 posted on 09/23/2013 7:28:22 AM PDT by verga (Lasciante ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate.)
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To: Elsie; St_Thomas_Aquinas

Yes. And?


31 posted on 09/23/2013 7:42:25 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Behold the Cross of the Lord! Flee, hostile powers! The Lion of the Tribe of Judah has conquered!)
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To: Pajamajan

What??!!! The Pope is Catholic?

Imagine that! :-)


32 posted on 09/23/2013 8:44:05 AM PDT by rwa265 (Compete well for the faith, lay hold of eternal life (1 Timothy 6))
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To: Cicero
the DNA is the exact same match as another Eucharist ‘miracle’ that took place in the 8th century in Lanciano, Italy confirming that both samples came from the same person.”

Thank you for the info. Wonderful!

I don't find these miracles incredible anymore, since the evidence in favor of these very public miracles is so scientifically overwhelming.

33 posted on 09/23/2013 11:45:33 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
This is what he's getting at, and I think he's right. He sees that rigorism and laxity both deviate from the path of true mercy. The rigorist says "You're wrong" and chop-chop, that's it. He's a Pharisee who won't lift a finger to help. The laxist says "You're OK, it's all good," and again, does not help the sinner to understand his sin, nor to become free of it.

The key is seeing the person, first. Not the sin, but the person. What follows is a relationship of trust, in which the sinner knows you're for him. How else can you lead him to Christ?

Beautifully stated.


34 posted on 09/23/2013 1:02:43 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: verga
Instead of PROTESTants, maybe we should call them PROTESTlemmings.

Yeah; that'll work.

(and we'd be MUCH more like our Catholic Brethren and Cistern then; too!)

35 posted on 09/23/2013 2:24:48 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

The Sign of Jonah wasn’t enough; I guess.


36 posted on 09/23/2013 2:25:54 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
Are you saying that God can't give His people miracles? or that He wouldn't? or that He shouldn't?

I may not be understanding you correctly. If so, I apologize and would like to get a better idea of what you're getting at.

37 posted on 09/23/2013 2:51:35 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (The obedient are not held captive by the Church: the disobedient are held captive by the world!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Are you saying that God can't give His people miracles? or that He wouldn't? or that He shouldn't?

I said nothing. Nothing more than what the BIBLE has said about 'miracles'.

38 posted on 09/24/2013 5:55:11 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
But you're too coy. The Bible repertoire on miracles consists of more than two quotes. You might, if had wanted to bring forth more from the Scriptural treasury, have mentioned a few of these:

1 Chronicles 16:12
Remember the wonders he has done, his miracles, and the judgments he pronounced.

Nehemiah 9:17
They refused to listen and failed to remember the miracles you performed among them. They became stiff-necked..."

Job 5:9 and Job 9:10 (repeated verbatim)
He performs wonders that cannot be fathomed,miracles that cannot be counted.

Psalm 77:11
I will remember the deeds of the Lord; yes, I will remember your miracles of long ago.

Psalm 77:14
You are the God who performs miracles; you display your power among the peoples.

Psalm 105:5
Remember the wonders he has done, his miracles, and the judgments he pronounced.

Psalm 106:7
When our ancestors were in Egypt, they gave no thought to your miracles/; they did not remember your many kindnesses, and they rebelled by the sea, the Red Sea.

Matthew 11:23
And you, Capernaum, will you be lifted to the heavens? No, you will go down to Hades. For if the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Sodom, it would have remained to this day.

Matthew 13:58
And he did not do many miracles there because of their lack of faith.

Mark 9:39
“Do not stop him,” Jesus said. “For no one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me.

Luke 10:13
“Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago, sitting in sackcloth and ashes.

Acts 2:22
“Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know."


I could go on, but I'll spare your eyeballs. Succinctly, the Bible teaches that God performs miracles, that He blesses us if we remember and tell each other about them and learn from them, and His wrath flares when we disregard them; He wants His miracles to turn us toward faith in His word.

I am a foe of foolish credulity. However, a Richard-Dawkins-like flicking away of miracles--- especially well-attested miracles -- will predictably result in our becoming skeptical of His power, insensitive to His work and deaf to of His Word.

Take care, Elsie.

39 posted on 09/24/2013 6:54:20 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (""My Body is food indeed, and My Blood is drink indeed.")
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Succinctly, the Bible teaches that God performs miracles...

Thanks for taking the bait and doing the work I was going to have to do; namely, showing that GOD does miracles.

40 posted on 09/24/2013 7:50:59 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
However, a Richard-Dawkins-like flicking away of miracles--- especially well-attested miracles -- will predictably result in our becoming skeptical of His power, insensitive to His work and deaf to of His Word.

They might be; but you have NO proof of who or what actually PERFORMED these 'miracles'.


Matthew 24:24
“For false christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect-if that were possible.”


2 Thessalonians 2:9
“The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders.”

41 posted on 09/24/2013 7:53:57 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie; St_Thomas_Aquinas; virgil; NYer; SumProVita
Oh, man, well of course GOD performs miracles. It's true, though, that as you wisely pointed out from Scripture, the Evil One can pull counterfeit miracles, too. Plus, there can be other falsifying factors, such a honest human mistake, as well as dishonest human fraud.

So ---and I'm sure that you, being a reasonable person, would agree --- one should not be too quick to give credence to a purported miracle unless it has been carefully investigated, both as to its physical aspects (ordinary forensic detective work is often relevant here) and its theological aspects (what does this mean? what is the purported message?)

This is a reliable criterion:

1 Corinthians 12:3
Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.

I don't want to speak too soon about this reported Argentinian miracle, since I don't know the extent to which it has received official approval (I guess I should look that up!) --- but it seems to me, at first glance, that the "message" would be nothing more or less than what Our Lord told us:

"My Body is food indeed, and My Blood is drink indeed."

If it's a Goddamned hoax (literally), then I suppose one could do a kind of exorcism over it, saying "Jesus is Lord," and see if the Goddamned thing blows itself to bleedin' shriekin' smithereens!

(Tagline)

42 posted on 09/24/2013 9:15:22 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Behold the Cross of the Lord! Flee, hostile powers! The Lion of the Tribe of Judah has conquered!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
The Church, "the pillar and foundation of truth," ultimately determines whether an event, outside of natural causation, is supernatural, of God, or preternatural.

And Jesus had strong words regarding those who will not listen to the Church.

Prior to Church sanction, there also exists the following criterion. "If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. If a house is divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand." A miracle that leads us to Jesus is almost certainly from God.

43 posted on 09/24/2013 9:28:06 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Exactly, Tom.

Tagline.


44 posted on 09/24/2013 9:36:24 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The Church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth." - 1 Timothy 3:15)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
I think we are on the same page here.




45 posted on 09/24/2013 11:22:54 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
A miracle that leads us to Jesus is almost certainly from God.

And, of course, it goes without saying, that a miracle that leads us to the CHURCH is almost certainly from God.

46 posted on 09/24/2013 11:24:32 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
Uhhh.... yeah...


47 posted on 09/24/2013 12:06:46 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (""My Body is food indeed, and My Blood is drink indeed.")
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I believe this is a step in the right direction...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3070653/posts


48 posted on 09/25/2013 4:06:00 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

AMEN!


49 posted on 09/25/2013 4:45:14 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("He will come on that Day to judge the living and the dead, and the world by fire.")
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