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Parents Upset Over Schoolís Corporal Punishment Permission Form (Alabama)
Fox News Insider ^ | Sep 22 2013 6:32pm

Posted on 09/22/2013 9:19:14 PM PDT by Olog-hai

Some parents at Leeds Elementary Public School in Alabama were in for a shock when their kids brought home a permission slip for corporal punishment.

It stated that failure to return the form would be considered authorization for school personnel to administer the punishment.

Corporal punishment is legal in 19 states in America. …

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: corporalpunishment; education; homeschooling; permissionform; publiceducation; publicschool; publicschools
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1 posted on 09/22/2013 9:19:15 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Some of the parents deserve corporal punishment.


2 posted on 09/22/2013 9:36:05 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not really out to get you.)
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To: Olog-hai
As for studies that show children who experience corporal punishment are more likely to suffer from depression and anxiety, Sprigg dismissed that as the difference between beating and discplinary spanking.

I dismiss it as Psychobabble BS.

Correlation does not equal causation.

It is just as possible that depressed kids are more likely to act up and be in need of corporal punishment.

3 posted on 09/22/2013 9:36:49 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Olog-hai

I would never give someone else the permission to hit my kid. Ever. Hit em, and I’ll hit you back.


4 posted on 09/22/2013 10:22:39 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: RIghtwardHo

This is the damage that public schools do. First they go to one extreme, and then the other.


5 posted on 09/22/2013 10:24:31 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Corporal punishment is extreme?

Lack of discipline in school is extreme?

What is your happy medium?


6 posted on 09/22/2013 10:43:18 PM PDT by BwanaNdege ("Life is short. It's even shorter if you suggest going out for pizza on your anniversary" Peter Egan)
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To: Pontiac

>> Correlation does not equal causation.

Not not never.


7 posted on 09/22/2013 10:49:22 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: BwanaNdege

Since I said none of those things, it is impossible to answer what you are asking, whatever that may be.

I have been in schools that beat kids simply for having the wrong answers on their homework. I have also been in very lenient schools that let kids run wild and act like fools. What with “free education for all children in public schools” being the tenth plank of communism in the Manifesto, I am wary of all public schools insofar as they are a tool used to weaken the family—and even some private schools that exhibit similar tendencies.


8 posted on 09/22/2013 11:00:50 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
Since I said none of those things, it is impossible to answer what you are asking, whatever that may be.

"First they go to one extreme, and then the other."

Since you did not specify which "extremes" you were talking about and the subject was Corporal Punishment, I inferred that it was one of the "extremes". Heading toward the other end of the scale, I concluded that you were implying a lack of discipline as the other extreme.

Please define the extremes to to which you referred.

9 posted on 09/22/2013 11:26:32 PM PDT by BwanaNdege ("Life is short. It's even shorter if you suggest going out for pizza on your anniversary" Peter Egan)
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To: Olog-hai

When I was in school, you screwed up and you got whipped!!

There are a lot of rug rodents in todays classes that desperatly need it!!!


10 posted on 09/22/2013 11:57:48 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: BwanaNdege

No, corporal punishment isn’t an extreme by itself. Abuse in the guise of such punishment certainly is, though.


12 posted on 09/23/2013 12:14:38 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: RIghtwardHo

Same. I don’t even have kids yet, but I would flip my shiz if a teacher ever hit my kid.

I don’t plan on using physical punishment with my kids. My parents didn’t. Their parents didn’t. I don’t even think any of my great-grandparents even did. I sure as heck don’t want some teacher I barely know and who barely knows my (future) kid laying a finger on him.

I am really surprised it’s still legal in so many states.


13 posted on 09/23/2013 12:29:42 AM PDT by pregnant-cornbread
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To: BwanaNdege

I’m going to guess: discipline.


14 posted on 09/23/2013 12:29:42 AM PDT by pregnant-cornbread
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To: pregnant-cornbread

No Nizzle, fo’ shizzle.


15 posted on 09/23/2013 12:46:50 AM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/ ?s)
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To: RIghtwardHo

Most of my generation was raised just the opposite: get a spanking at school, and get another one at home.

OTOH, the ones I went to school with who had parents with your attitude were the worst little B*****Ds in the school. And those parents were usually quite liberal.

How the times do change.


16 posted on 09/23/2013 12:52:49 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: RIghtwardHo

“I would never give someone else the permission to hit my kid. Ever. Hit em, and I’ll hit you back.”

I’m with you.
Funny that I see alot of opinions here about how bad public school teachers are and how they indoctrinate instead of teach but a lot of those same people think nothing of letting that same teacher hit their kids. Weird.


17 posted on 09/23/2013 12:57:24 AM PDT by snarkybob
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To: snarkybob

Where are you from Bob?


18 posted on 09/23/2013 1:05:32 AM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/ ?s)
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To: BwanaNdege

I’m with you

Anyone over 50 remembers a real America


19 posted on 09/23/2013 1:16:06 AM PDT by wardaddy (the next Dark Ages are coming as Western Civilization crumbles with nary a whimper)
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To: eyedigress

“Where are you from Bob?”
Texas


20 posted on 09/23/2013 1:16:36 AM PDT by snarkybob
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To: snarkybob

Do you believe a family can opt for school vouchers and take their tax money out of the government indoctrination system?


21 posted on 09/23/2013 1:19:10 AM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/ ?s)
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To: Olog-hai; dixiechick2000

Where and when were you in school where kids were beaten....not spanked or ruler on palm ala nuns.....for not having homework done?

I went to school deep south in 60s and never saw or heard of such a thing

Never saw a child BEATEN.....not once.

And I was a bad kid.....spanked once last day of 6th grade paddle

Once 7th grads ....paddle...for fighting

Once 8th grade paddle for making a PMS young teacher cry

9th grade for skipping class.....frat paddle....that left marks

4 times in 9 years....and I was full of mischief

You haven’t appropriated Dickens for yourself have you?


22 posted on 09/23/2013 1:23:20 AM PDT by wardaddy (the next Dark Ages are coming as Western Civilization crumbles with nary a whimper)
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To: eyedigress

“Do you believe a family can opt for school vouchers and take their tax money out of the government indoctrination system?”

Not sure about the legality of that. My oldest daughter graduated from a charter high school.
We didn’t need a voucher the school operated the same as a magnet school only the student body was about 75 for all grades 9-12.

I support charter schools. But again we didn’t need a voucher so I have no idea how those work.


23 posted on 09/23/2013 1:24:27 AM PDT by snarkybob
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To: pregnant-cornbread

Flip your shiz?

Geezuss

Ghetto slang ala free republic

And anti spanking?

Great

New conservatism....God help us


24 posted on 09/23/2013 1:24:59 AM PDT by wardaddy (the next Dark Ages are coming as Western Civilization crumbles with nary a whimper)
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To: snarkybob

Nice.

Do you believe you have a right to direct your taxes for education based on your decision?


25 posted on 09/23/2013 1:26:40 AM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/ ?s)
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To: eyedigress

“Do you believe you have a right to direct your taxes for education based on your decision?”

Yes. Provided it’s a legit school. You know not some cut rate glorified babysitting center.

I can’t complain, we had good luck with public schools too.
Of course we were involved with our kids and scholl is like anything else, you get out of it what you put into it.

I’ve wondered how vouchers would work in sparsley populated districts like in west Texas.


26 posted on 09/23/2013 1:33:31 AM PDT by snarkybob
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To: snarkybob
Just to help a little, I call that Taxation WITH representation.
27 posted on 09/23/2013 1:34:11 AM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/ ?s)
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To: snarkybob

Do you know your school board in such a rural area?


28 posted on 09/23/2013 1:35:35 AM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/ ?s)
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To: pregnant-cornbread

While you’re at it, get rid of all law enforcement and the judicial system. /s


29 posted on 09/23/2013 1:38:49 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: wardaddy

I’m not anti-spanking, as long as its the parents doing it


30 posted on 09/23/2013 1:39:35 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: eyedigress

“Do you know your school board in such a rural area?”

I’m not in a rural area.
I grew up in a small rural district but I live in central Texas now and have for 30 years.


31 posted on 09/23/2013 1:39:41 AM PDT by snarkybob
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To: ApplegateRanch

Concur.

The response by the school if not allowed to enforce their authority are the asinine zero tolerance policies.

Two kids found in a fight where one is defending themselves from a bully and they both get suspended. Ergo, the kids a forced into joining gangs out of self defense.

Spare the rod, Spoil the child.


32 posted on 09/23/2013 1:47:17 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: snarkybob

Oh I see, you are worried about vouchers in districts you have no part of.

Thanks Ms Cravitz.


33 posted on 09/23/2013 1:49:19 AM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/ ?s)
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To: GeronL

So when the child is not under the direct supervision of the parent, he is no longer accountable to authority?

I differ. The parent has a responsibility to ensure their children are properly supervised at all times. Especially when away from home a large part of the day, under the care of other adults.

My folks would first meet the teachers and gave them a paddle to use if I didn’t behave. My dad taught me how to shape lumber by carving a wooden paddle in the workshop, which we hung up in the pantry and whenever discipline was administered, we first had to retrieve the paddle.

Worked pretty well and I never had to be disciplined in school for disobedience.

Many problems in schools today, may be solved by applying the Board of Education to the Seat of Knowledge.


34 posted on 09/23/2013 1:58:27 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: eyedigress

“Oh I see, you are worried about vouchers in districts you have no part of.
Thanks Ms Cravitz.”

Lol I must have misunderstood your question, or you misunderstood my answer.

I support vouchers for legit schools. I don’t know how that would work in a sparsley populated district where there isn’t a legit alternative.
And I don’t think I said I was worried about anything. I said I don’t know how it would work in low population districts.


35 posted on 09/23/2013 1:58:36 AM PDT by snarkybob
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To: snarkybob

Fair enough. I believe the rural areas should have a voice in the texts provided.

The higher populated areas should be allowed to have children educated according to their own tax burden.

I am not a fan of the New World Order.


36 posted on 09/23/2013 2:05:52 AM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/ ?s)
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To: Cvengr
As long as those other authorities investigate the incident properly, set up a grand jury, hold a hearing, determine whether there is probable cause for a trial and then hold a trial before passing sentence on the child.

Schools are not like they were in the old days.

The parent has a responsibility to ensure their children are properly supervised at all times

So, they don't have to send their kids to public school?

Yes, we should force them to submit on their knee's and in some classes do fallatio on those in authority I guess. The teachers are never wrong, even if they are perverts I guess.

ALL HAIL MIGHTY AUTHORITY! INFALLIBLE AUTHORITY!!

Believe it or not, some people don't trust almighty "authority".

Government officials do not count as "other adults" and most people have no choice but to use public school they did not simply "leave them under the care" of that infallible "AUTHORITY", they had no choice.

Forget parents, we now have almighty AUTHORITY in charge who can whip your kids without your permission for whatever reason without trial or evidence.

BRING ON THE DEATH PENALTY for those who opt out of sex-ed while we are at it. You want to write an essay about Jesus? Stomp that face! Is that an NRA t-shirt? Necklacing time! What do you mean it is none of our business if your family has a gun in the house? We have work camps for non-compliant brats like you!

37 posted on 09/23/2013 2:07:55 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: RIghtwardHo

Even if your position were to deny other parties of their right to self defense?


38 posted on 09/23/2013 2:09:07 AM PDT by monocle
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To: eyedigress

“Fair enough. I believe the rural areas should have a voice in the texts provided.
The higher populated areas should be allowed to have children educated according to their own tax burden.
I am not a fan of the New World Order.”

I’m not sure what you mean about the text.
And like I said we had a really good charter school but didn’t need a voucher as it was already paid for just like any other public school.

The NWO pulls us down to the level on the lowest member.


39 posted on 09/23/2013 2:11:53 AM PDT by snarkybob
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To: snarkybob

Thank you.


40 posted on 09/23/2013 2:15:35 AM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/ ?s)
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To: GeronL

Freedom without authority is anarchy. Authority without freedom is tyranny. Wherever there is freedom, there is legitimate authority.


41 posted on 09/23/2013 2:15:51 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Cvengr

I no longer believe that government should even own a school or run one.


42 posted on 09/23/2013 2:17:43 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: GeronL

I believe it’s feasible, but we probably will have to completely abandon and dismantle the present education system in order to rebuild any educational system with merit or virtue.


43 posted on 09/23/2013 2:21:25 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: snarkybob

>> Funny that I see alot of opinions here about how bad public school teachers are and how they indoctrinate instead of teach but a lot of those same people think nothing of letting that same teacher hit their kids. Weird.

Yes, I was wondering about this as well. Quite odd.


44 posted on 09/23/2013 3:09:25 AM PDT by pregnant-cornbread
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To: ApplegateRanch

Neither of my parents (born in 1942 and 1954) were spanked. It wasn’t common in all families “back then.”

We all turned out just fine without our parents hitting us.

Well, I do think my mom hit me once (barely), in the heat of the moment, when I did something dangerous. It wasn’t a pre-mediated action. Which I think is the worst — parents who tell the kids they are going to have a spanking/beating/whatever, calmly sit them down, dole it out, etc. I truly can’t understand that, but I guess it’s just some sort of cultural difference.


45 posted on 09/23/2013 3:09:25 AM PDT by pregnant-cornbread
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To: wardaddy

I never, ever use “shiz” in actual conversation, nor am I using it as “ghetto slang.” I just didn’t think this was the appropriate place for a naughty word. I’ll choose another replacement next time.

One cannot be conservative if she is anti-spanking? Keep in mind, I’m anti-corporal punishment in schools, and yes, I don’t plan on using it on my children nor do I think it is generally very effective — but I do not think it should be illegal, or terribly of parents who spank.

You can be very tough on discipline without spanking. I couldn’t get away with shi- er, crap when I was a kid.

Also, 3/4 of my grandparents were quite conservative. None of them spanked their kids.


46 posted on 09/23/2013 3:09:25 AM PDT by pregnant-cornbread
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To: Cvengr

Yeah, that makes sense. How could we possibly have laws if idiot teachers can’t hit kids?


47 posted on 09/23/2013 3:09:25 AM PDT by pregnant-cornbread
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To: wardaddy

Also, I’m not sure why you are getting on my case for substituting a “z” for a “t” in an effort to be less vulgar, when you are missing quite a bit of punctuation and spacing, and have concocted a novel and creative way to spell Jesus.


48 posted on 09/23/2013 3:09:26 AM PDT by pregnant-cornbread
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To: pregnant-cornbread

What good are laws if they aren’t enforced?


49 posted on 09/23/2013 3:12:32 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Paleo Conservative
Some of the parents deserve corporal punishment.

Amen!

50 posted on 09/23/2013 3:17:38 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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