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Kenya mall siege: 'final assault' begins: Huge blast as security forces enter shopping centre
The Guardian ^ | 09/23/2013 | Guy Alexander

Posted on 09/23/2013 6:41:16 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Kenyan security forces, including commando teams and military helicopters, launched a "final assault" on the luxury shopping mall in Nairobi where a group of armed militants were holding around 30 hostages.

As night fell in the Kenyan capital a huge blast reverberated around the Westgate mall, where the attackers – thought to be members of the Somali jihadist group al-Shabaab – had been holed up since shooting their way into the shopping centre on Saturday afternoon.

Two hours later the Kenyan defence forces tweeted that they had rescued most of the hostages and secured most of the mall. Four soldiers were reported to have been injured during the operation and taken to hospital.

Heavy and sustained gunfire was heard from the mall for about five minutes early on Monday morning, a Reuters witness reported. The blast of gunfire was followed by a lull, and then a series of small, sporadic explosions.

Kenya's military had earlier said on its Twitter feed it was making every effort to bring the siege "to a speedy conclusion".

The carnage in and around the four-storey building, where heavily armed fighters opened fire on weekend shoppers on Saturday, claimed at least 68 lives with 175 people injured. That toll, which rose steadily throughout Sunday, was expected to climb higher.

Kenya's president, Uhuru Kenyatta, who lost a nephew in the attack, promised to punish those behind it "swiftly and painfully", and said Kenya "would not relent on the war on terror".

Barack Obama called Kenyatta to offer condolences and US support in bringing the perpetrators to justice .

(Excerpt) Read more at theguardian.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: africa; genocide; kenya; mall; obamaland; obamaspeople; somalia; terrorism; threatmatrix
I pray to God that there won't be any copy cat incidents here in our country.

But if it does, I wonder how that would play out in a right-to-carry state...

1 posted on 09/23/2013 6:41:16 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
" But if it does, I wonder how that would play out in a right-to-carry state... "

Exactly what I was thinking as I was reading the preceding sentence in your post.

2 posted on 09/23/2013 6:44:12 AM PDT by OKSooner (What's the NCAA gonna do, suspend OSU from the first half of its first game next season?)
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To: SeekAndFind

I think the noise was the security forces blasting through the roof. However, now it looks as if the building may be on fire.


3 posted on 09/23/2013 6:44:48 AM PDT by livius
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To: livius
This mall looks like any order mall here in the USA... (minus the shooting)


4 posted on 09/23/2013 6:48:31 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

A question I have asked myself over the years is “Why hasn’t it happened here?”

I suspect part of the reason is that we as a society are very well armed. But that doesn’t really answer the question.


5 posted on 09/23/2013 6:49:08 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: SeekAndFind
this was possibly orchestrated by the “white widow” a dumpy English female convert who married muslim and found her niche in life as a sociopath masterminding mass murder plots
as some glorious female jihadist

her parent must be so proud

already had one “husband” who blew himself up in London attack on 7/7, and another who was just executed by her group for being a “prat” lol (terror by twitter)

ain't eeslam beautiful? I bet she and our CIA director john brennan pray to the same god

6 posted on 09/23/2013 6:50:34 AM PDT by silverleaf (Going to war without the French is like going hunting without an accordion.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Gee, and who could have seen THAT coming.


7 posted on 09/23/2013 6:51:20 AM PDT by Fido969
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To: SeekAndFind
Kenya's president, Uhuru Kenyatta, who lost a nephew in the attack, promised to punish those behind it "swiftly and painfully"

What? No strident calls for gun control?

Oh... wait:
Kenya:
It is illegal in Kenya to own any type of firearm without a valid gun ownership license as spelled out under the Firearms Act (Cap. 114) Laws of Kenya. Anyone who is 12 years or older can apply to privately own a gun. However, such persons must provide in writing to the Chief Licensing Officer (CLO) stating genuine reason(s) for their need to privately own and carry a firearm. It remains at the discretion of the CLO to make a decision to award, deny or revoke a gun ownership license based on the reason(s) given. Anyone seeking to hold a gun license must pass the most stringent of background checks that probes into their past and present criminal, mental health and well as domestic violence records. Failure to pass one of these checks automatically bars one from being permitted to own a firearm. These checks are regularly repeated and must be continually passed for anyone to continue holding the gun license. Failure to pass any of these checks at any stage, means an automatic and immediate revocation of the issued license. Once licensed to own a gun, no permit is required in order to carry around a concealed firearm.

Already in place. Never mind...

8 posted on 09/23/2013 6:51:23 AM PDT by grobdriver
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To: SeekAndFind

It would be exactly the same. There were about 25 attackers in Kenya, armed with explosives and weapons, and they fanned out in teams on each floor and struck at once.

You might get one or two of them, but it’s not going to make a huge difference, because most people in the mall won’t be armed. BTW, there were many children at the mall on Saturday because there was a children’s “Master Chef” cooking show being filmed there. And that’s pretty much what you’re going to get at a mall: women and children, out of town visitors, etc.

The only way to stop this is to outlaw the practice of Islam in the US, shut down all mosques and other Islamic nests, deport all foreign-born Muslims and make sure the others are essentially quarantined, and throw all supporters of things like the Muslim Brotherhood, CAIR, etc. in jail. Perhaps I exaggerate a bit, but until organized Islam starts feeling repercussions from the behavior of their pet jihadis, there won’t be any change. They’re allowed to get away scot-free.

But the problem with doing all that, I guess, is that then Joe Biden would become president. Oh well, he could hardly be any worse, and I don’t think he’s become a Muslim (yet).


9 posted on 09/23/2013 6:52:05 AM PDT by livius
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To: SeekAndFind

“Kenya’s military had earlier said on its Twitter feed it was making every effort to bring the siege “to a speedy conclusion”. “

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Somehow I find the military sending Tweets amusing.

Oh well.that’s just me.

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10 posted on 09/23/2013 6:55:49 AM PDT by Mears (Liberalism is the art ot being easily offended.)
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To: redgolum
A question I have asked myself over the years is “Why hasn’t it happened here?” I suspect part of the reason is that we as a society are very well armed. But that doesn’t really answer the question.

Part of it is that we're armed. Part of it is that they do NOT want to shift public opinion in the US into a generalized hatred of Muslims. They want to intimidate the government into adopting certain measures, using the threat of more attacks.

Visualize the effect on the Muslim world if the US populace started to hate Muslims in general, to the level where if Kenyans started killing Muslims, the general reaction here might be "Good! They had it coming!"

If the US had not intervened in Bosnia during the Clinton years, the Serbs might just have done an ethnic cleansing. The only thing stopping such in some parts of the world, is concern that the US would be very displeased.

11 posted on 09/23/2013 6:56:45 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: SeekAndFind

There are still relatively few CCW holders compared to the population at large. A handgun might enable you to fight your way to safety against heavily armed terrorist Muslims.


12 posted on 09/23/2013 6:58:19 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (From time to time the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.)
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To: livius

I agree with everything you say, except for this one thing...I don’t think you exaggerate at all.


13 posted on 09/23/2013 6:59:34 AM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: SeekAndFind

https://twitter.com/HSMPROffice

Official Twitter


14 posted on 09/23/2013 7:01:05 AM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: SeekAndFind

What has Obama said about this violence against Christians in his home country?


15 posted on 09/23/2013 7:03:06 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: redgolum

we got two NEW mosques here in our town (50,000).

people are nervous, but the MSM says they are “peaceful”.

“Things that make you go ummmm”


16 posted on 09/23/2013 7:05:15 AM PDT by kimtom (USA ; Freedom is not Free)
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To: PapaBear3625
The only thing stopping such (eliminating Muslims) in some parts of the world, is concern that the US would be very displeased.

A side effect of Obama's running down the US is that pretty soon no one will care what the US government thinks. It's becoming that way both internationally and domestically.

Islam should be more familiar to moviegoers as a form of Zombie takeover. There's no compromising with the Undead.

17 posted on 09/23/2013 7:05:55 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: silverleaf

RE: ain’t eeslam beautiful? I bet she and our CIA director john brennan pray to the same god

FROM THE DAILY MAIL:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2428875/Terror-Kenya-Survivors-reveal-gunman-executed-non-Muslims.html

EXCERPT:

Men, women and children were lined up and then gunned down with AK-47s after failing to name the Prophet Mohammed’s mother or recite passages from the Koran - sure-fire proof they were ‘kafirs’, or non-believers.

Others fled and sought refuge in shops, bank vaults and store rooms as grenades exploded and bullets fired around them.


18 posted on 09/23/2013 7:14:12 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: livius

“The only way to stop this is to outlaw the practice of Islam in the US, “

Oh Hell no. They’ll just go underground.


19 posted on 09/23/2013 7:16:50 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: SeekAndFind

AP (AssPress) reported this as “indiscriminate shooting”


20 posted on 09/23/2013 7:18:22 AM PDT by silverleaf (Going to war without the French is like going hunting without an accordion.)
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To: OKSooner

It will happen in DC or Mass or somewhere like that...


21 posted on 09/23/2013 7:18:37 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: kimtom

They will be peaceful until there are enough Muslims to start demanding exemptions and exceptions from rules and laws.


22 posted on 09/23/2013 7:18:49 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (From time to time the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.)
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To: livius

Yes, I believe thee final war which will bring Jesus back will be the good people against evil..Islamic people willing to kill for their satanic religion.


23 posted on 09/23/2013 7:19:05 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: livius

Sounds like a plan! ;-)


24 posted on 09/23/2013 7:22:01 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: SeekAndFind

“But if it does, I wonder how that would play out in a right-to-carry state...”

Let’s see. You are the leader of a terrorist cell, hell bent on attacking a mall. Are you going to choose a mall in Virginia, which has reasonable CHP laws, or are you going to cross the Potomac and choose a mall in DC or Maryland, which have essentially no conceal carriers?


25 posted on 09/23/2013 7:27:00 AM PDT by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: Blood of Tyrants

The first couple that I cap will furnish me with a weapon upgrade.


26 posted on 09/23/2013 7:27:09 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Resolute Conservative

The first couple that I shoot will furnish me with a path to safety.


27 posted on 09/23/2013 7:43:00 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (From time to time the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.)
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To: livius

I’m with you. I’m only surprised that the attack didn’t take place here, given how many “Americans” and “British” appear to have been among the attackers.

Without changing our Constitution, we can stop admitting Muslims except as diplomats, and repatriate the non-citizens. No refugees, tourists, students, immigrants, visitors.


28 posted on 09/23/2013 7:45:36 AM PDT by heartwood
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To: heartwood
I’m only surprised that the attack didn’t take place here, given how many “Americans” and “British” appear to have been among the attackers.

Heckuva job, NSA, /s

29 posted on 09/23/2013 7:46:16 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: PapaBear3625
I grew up playing Cowboys and Indians with real Indians (we all wanted to be the Indians, so that worked out kind of odd at times).

An old friend joked after 9-11 “Well, I guess it is time to play cowboys and muslims.”

The US can be the most ruthless country out there, once it becomes a matter of survival. We destroyed the German state, ended (in large part) the old Japanese civilization. Once we decide to do it, we can smash the world of Islam.

30 posted on 09/23/2013 8:00:04 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum
The US can be the most ruthless country out there, once it becomes a matter of survival. We destroyed the German state, ended (in large part) the old Japanese civilization. Once we decide to do it, we can smash the world of Islam.

We need to get with Russia, and maybe China...both of whom have REAL problems with Islam.

I propose that we can accomplish 3 SERIOUS PROBLEMS in about 45 minutes- The time it takes to launch all the ICBM, SLBM, MRBM, and IRBMs in nuclear inventory!

1) Get rid of all nuclear weapons by using them on Mooselimbs. A third [nuclear] crusade would give a hundred, maybe thousand years of true peace on earth.
2) We will solve global warming with the accompanying nuclear winter.
3) Adopt the eco-nut fantasy of population reduction to appease the anti-war left.

With no nukes, no muslims, nice moderate weather, and the type of eco-nut population control measures that the liberals can't get away with now, we can do it! /sever sarcasm&faceiousness off>.

31 posted on 09/23/2013 9:29:39 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!!)
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To: VanShuyten
Let’s see. You are the leader of a terrorist cell, hell bent on attacking a mall. Are you going to choose a mall in Virginia, which has reasonable CHP laws, or are you going to cross the Potomac and choose a mall in DC or Maryland, which have essentially no conceal carriers?

The only places left without "shall issue" CCW are Hawaii, and some states in the Northeast (DC, MD, NJ, NY, etc). Even in the northeast, they would have to be careful to choose a mall where there weren't any gang bangers.

32 posted on 09/23/2013 10:45:30 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: redgolum
I suspect part of the reason is that we as a society are very well armed.

Not in public places in New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts or Connecticut. Damned near impossible to get a carry permit in those states.

33 posted on 09/23/2013 12:05:39 PM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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