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Any government shutdown would be ordered by the petulant President Obama and Senate Democrats
Sept 23, 2013 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 09/23/2013 11:35:00 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

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To: Jane Long

Jane, just talked to my senator’s office. The Republicans in the senate plan on caucusing tomorrow to decide on how best to go forward.

Call now if you want your voices heard.


51 posted on 09/23/2013 12:49:28 PM PDT by Girlene (Hey, NSA!)
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To: RKBA Democrat
Obama and his ilk do not necessarily want to and the United States right away, I think they want to merge it into a utopian socialist world order. They want to do this because they believe the system as it exists is inherently unjust and should be done away with to make way for the New World order.

It is important to understand that Obama despises our values, our history, our Constitution, our institutions, our political system because he thinks it is racist and oppressive as any capitalist system is in his eyes. Obamacare is just one more battle in the eternal struggle to transform America into something better, more just, and less belligerent.

Obamacare is just one battle in a war without end.


52 posted on 09/23/2013 12:50:34 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford

Post 6:

You’ve said it succinctly and clearly, as you usually do.

How come the GOP isn’t blanketing the airwaves with this as an easy to understand rallying cry? (Rhetorical question).


53 posted on 09/23/2013 12:52:23 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Girlene
The Republicans in the senate plan on caucusing tomorrow to decide on how best to go forward.

This is where McConnell and the Rinos will try to back stab us.
Hope there is some type of revolt against the establishment.

54 posted on 09/23/2013 12:59:13 PM PDT by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin, Ted Cruz......Nuff said.)
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To: Jim Robinson; All
The people do not want federal government controlling their healthcare and they are speaking through their elected representatives.

Regarding the people demanding that the House of Representatives defund constitutionally indefensible Obamacare, some patriots have been referencing Federalist No. 58 which was written by James Madson.

In Federalist No. 58, Madison actually emphases that one of the main reasons that the Founding States delegated the power of the purse solely to the House of Representatives (HoR) was give the HoR a means by which the people could redress their grievances against the Oval Office for usurping legislative powers (my wording), not that Obama would dare think of usurping Congress's powers. =^O

Here's key wording from Federalist No. 58:

The House of Representatives cannot only refuse, but they alone can propose, the supplies requisite for the support of government. They, in a word, hold the purse that powerful instrument by which we behold, in the history of the British Constitution, an infant and humble representation of the people gradually enlarging the sphere of its activity and importance, and finally reducing, as far as it seems to have wished, all the overgrown prerogatives of the other branches of the government. This power over the purse may, in fact, be regarded as the most complete and effectual weapon with which any constitution can arm the immediate representatives of the people, for obtaining a redress of every grievance, and for carrying into effect every just and salutary measure.

55 posted on 09/23/2013 1:00:23 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Amendment10

Absofreepinglutely. Great point! James Madison is the man.


56 posted on 09/23/2013 1:02:55 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Any government shutdown would be ordered by the petulant President Obama and Senate Democrats

Irrelevant. The news networks and wire services will view it as a catastrophe, and blame it on conservatives and Republicans.

Until we replace the networks and the wire services, we will continue spiraling towards doom. We will vote out Obama but simply vote in another Obama until the AP is toppled.

57 posted on 09/23/2013 1:03:36 PM PDT by mbarker12474
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To: All
Senator McCain speaking right now.


58 posted on 09/23/2013 1:06:07 PM PDT by McGruff (No wars for Arab pipelines!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Oh I;m sure the lamestream media will blame us again, can’t have dear messiah leader looking bad can they.


59 posted on 09/23/2013 1:07:08 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: mbarker12474

It’s not irrelevant when the people who matter know the truth. And I believe the Reaganesque Ted Cruz has the communications skills and statesmanship to take the message over the heads of the media and directly to the people. And he and Lee and Palin, and all patriots will be pounding the message home 24/7.


60 posted on 09/23/2013 1:08:27 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Girlene; All
Thanks! I don't trust caucusing RINO's! Maybe all of the calls are putting the heat on them.

Thanks for making the calls!!

KEEP CALLING YOUR SENATORS!! The HEAT is ON!

61 posted on 09/23/2013 1:09:57 PM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs stay silent.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Can you get that on ABC, NBC, CBS, the NYT, WAPO, Chicago Tribune, et al.?

It isn’t clear to me that the American public gets it. Has anyone seen solid polling that American voters are aware of what’s going on?


62 posted on 09/23/2013 1:14:27 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Jim Robinson; All
There is talk that the Senate Democrats will try an end run by putting an amendment in this bill that allows Obamacare.

My understanding is that Republicans may refuse to allow them to do so...

63 posted on 09/23/2013 1:26:31 PM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Right on Jim. As I’ve been saying since joining the ranks of posters at the forum in January of 2004 (Lurked since 2001) about the bureaucracies. They are crammed with Leftist/Liberals therefore the Leftist perceived disaster if government is shut down.

We need to shut down the vast majority of those mostly Leftist/Liberal initiated Federal Departments those Leftist/Liberal bureaucracies crammed with entrenched Leftist/Liberal support anyway, so if Reid and company force the shutdown of government they will be forcing the lay off of mostly their own.


64 posted on 09/23/2013 1:27:52 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will. They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: nathanbedford

“Obama and his ilk do not necessarily want to end the United States right away, I think they want to merge it into a utopian socialist world order.”

That would be their dream. However, I think they realize it’s not going to play out like that. So what’s a more realistic plan to accomplish largely the same result at least in the parts of the country they actually care about: the population centers on the left and east coasts?

Let’s say TX secedes and the divorce is relatively peaceable. While I personally don’t think that TX would be the first state, nor do I think it would be peaceable, let’s assume it for the sake of discussion.

Do the electoral math. TX leaving is Game Over for the rest of the states unless they want to come under the socialist yoke. So it’s hard choice time for the remaining more or less conservative states. Go with TX or stay and hope for the best? Some would go. Others would stay. End result for the remaining US: uncontested socialism in a somewhat smaller country size wise.

All in all it would be a solid win for the radical leftists and their ilk.


65 posted on 09/23/2013 1:29:53 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: Jim Robinson

As the resident Rino on FR, I often like to rain on your parade,

BUT, I can’t seem to find much wrong with your posting.


66 posted on 09/23/2013 1:35:11 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: LibFreeUSA; Jim Robinson
Spot on!

Like Sarah said, "Let’s be clear. Republicans in Congress aren't advocating a government shutdown. That’s why they voted in the House to fully fund our bureaucracy while defunding Obamacare. The conservatives in Congress are listening to the majority of Americans who do not want Obamacare."

67 posted on 09/23/2013 1:35:32 PM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs stay silent.)
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To: 1010RD

I have no way to do that, but people like Ted Cruz, Mile Lee, Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin and many other statesmen and spokespersons do. And they certainly are and will continue doing so.


68 posted on 09/23/2013 2:01:08 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: nathanbedford
The Republicans want to keep the government open and stop Obamacare

Actually, the RINOs got caught doing backroom deals to save Obamacare until it became obvious. If those traitors don't support the defund movement, no conservative will ever vote for them again. They'd be through, and hopefully they're beginning to see it.

69 posted on 09/23/2013 2:09:15 PM PDT by grania
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To: Jim Robinson

Bravo!!!!!!!!!!! you nailed it Jim


70 posted on 09/23/2013 5:15:17 PM PDT by katiedidit1
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To: Jim Robinson

BTTT


71 posted on 09/24/2013 8:41:24 AM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: Jim Robinson

There’s an aspect to this that has gotten lost in all the inside baseball and it’s kind of the dog that isn’t barking:

Ten months ago after Obama was re-elected, the news was all about how the Republican party was on its last legs and about to die. If you had said back then that in September of 2013 the debate would be about whether to defund Obamacare, and the tax increases, new spending, and end to the sequester, etc would be completely off the table and that a “win” for the President would be defined as maintaining discretionary spending at an Eisenhower percentage of GDP with the Bush tax cuts for the middle class permanently enshrined in federal law...you would have been considered a total wackjob.

We haven’t won, but we’re playing a weak hand pretty damn well.

See here: http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/176506/?show-at-comment=275080#comment-275080

That’s not me, but we have to recognize that we’re on a roll here and without acknowledging that we can’t have a solid strategy.

My point is (and I’ll take a complete dismantlement of Obamacare, but it ain’t gonna happen) we need to keep on winning. We’ve got a ton of great scandals to exploit if we’re the Party of Liberty. With that, we can win in 2014, 16 and going forward for a generation, maybe two. If not, the GOP is a footnote.


72 posted on 09/24/2013 10:18:45 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

Hold the line! Do not surrender! The House and the House alone has the constitutional power to win this appropriations fight against an illegally expanding federal government, per James Madison, Federalist 58. The Founders saw this coming and gave we the people the tools to head if off through our elected representatives. This is the people’s fight against unconstitutional government and we can win it as long as we can prevent our reps from surrendering. Obama/Reid cannot get the funds for obamacare if our House refuses to appropriate them!! Period!! No matter how long it takes!! There’s nothing more important to the republic!!


73 posted on 09/24/2013 10:38:07 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

PS: Shutting DOWN the Fed.gov is a GOOD thing! DUHH!!!


74 posted on 09/25/2013 7:04:01 PM PDT by 2harddrive
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