Skip to comments.Any government shutdown would be ordered by the petulant President Obama and Senate Democrats
Posted on 09/23/2013 11:35:00 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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Jane, just talked to my senator’s office. The Republicans in the senate plan on caucusing tomorrow to decide on how best to go forward.
Call now if you want your voices heard.
It is important to understand that Obama despises our values, our history, our Constitution, our institutions, our political system because he thinks it is racist and oppressive as any capitalist system is in his eyes. Obamacare is just one more battle in the eternal struggle to transform America into something better, more just, and less belligerent.
Obamacare is just one battle in a war without end.
You’ve said it succinctly and clearly, as you usually do.
How come the GOP isn’t blanketing the airwaves with this as an easy to understand rallying cry? (Rhetorical question).
This is where McConnell and the Rinos will try to back stab us.
Hope there is some type of revolt against the establishment.
Regarding the people demanding that the House of Representatives defund constitutionally indefensible Obamacare, some patriots have been referencing Federalist No. 58 which was written by James Madson.
In Federalist No. 58, Madison actually emphases that one of the main reasons that the Founding States delegated the power of the purse solely to the House of Representatives (HoR) was give the HoR a means by which the people could redress their grievances against the Oval Office for usurping legislative powers (my wording), not that Obama would dare think of usurping Congress's powers. =^O
Here's key wording from Federalist No. 58:
The House of Representatives cannot only refuse, but they alone can propose, the supplies requisite for the support of government. They, in a word, hold the purse that powerful instrument by which we behold, in the history of the British Constitution, an infant and humble representation of the people gradually enlarging the sphere of its activity and importance, and finally reducing, as far as it seems to have wished, all the overgrown prerogatives of the other branches of the government. This power over the purse may, in fact, be regarded as the most complete and effectual weapon with which any constitution can arm the immediate representatives of the people, for obtaining a redress of every grievance, and for carrying into effect every just and salutary measure.
Absofreepinglutely. Great point! James Madison is the man.
Irrelevant. The news networks and wire services will view it as a catastrophe, and blame it on conservatives and Republicans.
Until we replace the networks and the wire services, we will continue spiraling towards doom. We will vote out Obama but simply vote in another Obama until the AP is toppled.
Oh I;m sure the lamestream media will blame us again, can’t have dear messiah leader looking bad can they.
It’s not irrelevant when the people who matter know the truth. And I believe the Reaganesque Ted Cruz has the communications skills and statesmanship to take the message over the heads of the media and directly to the people. And he and Lee and Palin, and all patriots will be pounding the message home 24/7.
Thanks for making the calls!!
KEEP CALLING YOUR SENATORS!! The HEAT is ON!
Can you get that on ABC, NBC, CBS, the NYT, WAPO, Chicago Tribune, et al.?
It isn’t clear to me that the American public gets it. Has anyone seen solid polling that American voters are aware of what’s going on?
My understanding is that Republicans may refuse to allow them to do so...
Right on Jim. As I’ve been saying since joining the ranks of posters at the forum in January of 2004 (Lurked since 2001) about the bureaucracies. They are crammed with Leftist/Liberals therefore the Leftist perceived disaster if government is shut down.
We need to shut down the vast majority of those mostly Leftist/Liberal initiated Federal Departments those Leftist/Liberal bureaucracies crammed with entrenched Leftist/Liberal support anyway, so if Reid and company force the shutdown of government they will be forcing the lay off of mostly their own.
“Obama and his ilk do not necessarily want to end the United States right away, I think they want to merge it into a utopian socialist world order.”
That would be their dream. However, I think they realize it’s not going to play out like that. So what’s a more realistic plan to accomplish largely the same result at least in the parts of the country they actually care about: the population centers on the left and east coasts?
Let’s say TX secedes and the divorce is relatively peaceable. While I personally don’t think that TX would be the first state, nor do I think it would be peaceable, let’s assume it for the sake of discussion.
Do the electoral math. TX leaving is Game Over for the rest of the states unless they want to come under the socialist yoke. So it’s hard choice time for the remaining more or less conservative states. Go with TX or stay and hope for the best? Some would go. Others would stay. End result for the remaining US: uncontested socialism in a somewhat smaller country size wise.
All in all it would be a solid win for the radical leftists and their ilk.
As the resident Rino on FR, I often like to rain on your parade,
BUT, I can’t seem to find much wrong with your posting.
Like Sarah said, "Lets be clear. Republicans in Congress aren't advocating a government shutdown. Thats why they voted in the House to fully fund our bureaucracy while defunding Obamacare. The conservatives in Congress are listening to the majority of Americans who do not want Obamacare."
I have no way to do that, but people like Ted Cruz, Mile Lee, Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin and many other statesmen and spokespersons do. And they certainly are and will continue doing so.
Actually, the RINOs got caught doing backroom deals to save Obamacare until it became obvious. If those traitors don't support the defund movement, no conservative will ever vote for them again. They'd be through, and hopefully they're beginning to see it.
Bravo!!!!!!!!!!! you nailed it Jim
There’s an aspect to this that has gotten lost in all the inside baseball and it’s kind of the dog that isn’t barking:
Ten months ago after Obama was re-elected, the news was all about how the Republican party was on its last legs and about to die. If you had said back then that in September of 2013 the debate would be about whether to defund Obamacare, and the tax increases, new spending, and end to the sequester, etc would be completely off the table and that a “win” for the President would be defined as maintaining discretionary spending at an Eisenhower percentage of GDP with the Bush tax cuts for the middle class permanently enshrined in federal law...you would have been considered a total wackjob.
We haven’t won, but we’re playing a weak hand pretty damn well.
That’s not me, but we have to recognize that we’re on a roll here and without acknowledging that we can’t have a solid strategy.
My point is (and I’ll take a complete dismantlement of Obamacare, but it ain’t gonna happen) we need to keep on winning. We’ve got a ton of great scandals to exploit if we’re the Party of Liberty. With that, we can win in 2014, 16 and going forward for a generation, maybe two. If not, the GOP is a footnote.
Hold the line! Do not surrender! The House and the House alone has the constitutional power to win this appropriations fight against an illegally expanding federal government, per James Madison, Federalist 58. The Founders saw this coming and gave we the people the tools to head if off through our elected representatives. This is the people’s fight against unconstitutional government and we can win it as long as we can prevent our reps from surrendering. Obama/Reid cannot get the funds for obamacare if our House refuses to appropriate them!! Period!! No matter how long it takes!! There’s nothing more important to the republic!!
PS: Shutting DOWN the Fed.gov is a GOOD thing! DUHH!!!