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Kenyan Mall Massacre Off duty SAS soldier with handgun saves 100 lives
Mail Online ^ | 9/23/13 | David Bentley, David Williams

Posted on 09/23/2013 6:03:51 PM PDT by exbrit

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: alqaedakenya; banglist; guncontrol; hostages; kenya; sas; secondamendment; uk

1 posted on 09/23/2013 6:03:51 PM PDT by exbrit
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To: exbrit; marktwain

Ping.


2 posted on 09/23/2013 6:04:40 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: exbrit

Was having coffee at Westgate mall when it was attacked on Saturday
Returned to building a dozen times, despite intense gunfire
Sources said the soldier was with the Special Air Service, or SAS
Man, who can’t be named for security reasons, was pictured with


3 posted on 09/23/2013 6:05:49 PM PDT by exbrit
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To: exbrit

The photos of the perps would look good on range targets.


4 posted on 09/23/2013 6:06:44 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statemet of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: exbrit
Clearly this off-duty SAS "gun-slinger" should be arrested for violating some sort of Kenyan gun laws! No Victoria Cross for you soldier!

/s

5 posted on 09/23/2013 6:08:26 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back The Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: exbrit

Good guy with a gun....


6 posted on 09/23/2013 6:10:50 PM PDT by vpintheak (Thankful to be God blessed & chosen!)
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To: exbrit
I wonder if Starbucks management has seen this.
7 posted on 09/23/2013 6:15:29 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (Obama phones= Bread and circuits.)
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To: exbrit

I wonder if the opportunity presented itself for him to cap any villains, possibly to then use their weapons against their comrades.

This reminded me of an incident in Iraq before the ground invasion of Gulf War I. A small team of five US Special Forces were observing an important town from a spider hole, when a small boy, the son of a shepherd, spotted them and gave out the alarm.

The armed men of the town attacked them, and many were killed, with the Green Berets low crawling out to recover their enemies weapons and ammunition. More and more Iraqi military reinforcements arrived in the town and engaged the Green Berets.

By the time attack helicopters arrived to evacuate them, they had killed some 200 enemy, and had more arms and ammo than before they had begun. They suffered no injury.

At the time and since I have seen this as a profound lesson of how a few, or even one, skilled, trained, and disciplined individuals can run roughshod over large numbers of heavily armed and equipped enemies.

By the account in this story, he chose to evacuate many innocent civilians. And this was his tactical choice. But what if he had chosen to instead confront the problem instead of mitigating it?


8 posted on 09/23/2013 6:16:58 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (The best War on Terror News is at rantburg.com)
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To: exbrit
good on him...

but talk about a hodgepodge of weaponry, in pic's i've seen it's SCAR's and M16's in one, in another it's an FN and M4 and in several it's G3's and AK's

must keep the armorer's busy

9 posted on 09/23/2013 6:18:25 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
A small team of five US Special Forces were observing an important town from a spider hole, when a small boy, the son of a shepherd, spotted them and gave out the alarm.

By the time attack helicopters arrived to evacuate them, they had killed some 200 enemy, and had more arms and ammo than before they had begun. They suffered no injury.

Yep.

You don't wanna be messin `round the boys when they are "being quiet."

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10 posted on 09/23/2013 6:21:55 PM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: exbrit

Who dares, wins.


11 posted on 09/23/2013 6:24:42 PM PDT by Edward Teach
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To: exbrit
‘What he did was so heroic. He was having coffee with friends when it happened.

‘He went back in 12 times and saved 100 people. Imagine going back in when you knew what was going on inside.’

"Pte. Thomas Cole: Why is it us? Why us?

Colour Sergeant Bourne: Because we're here, lad. Nobody else. Just us."

He was there.

12 posted on 09/23/2013 6:25:29 PM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: Edward Teach

13 posted on 09/23/2013 6:27:12 PM PDT by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: DTogo

Saw the photo earlier, without his face obscured. Don’t remember what the caption was, but it did not identify him as SAS.

Looked like he was quite capable of taking care of business. I did not see the weapon tucked in his waist then, but is is the same photo.

SAS have always been tough well trained soldiers.


14 posted on 09/23/2013 6:29:47 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
This reminded me of an incident in Iraq before the ground invasion of Gulf War I. A small team of five US Special Forces were observing an important town from a spider hole, when a small boy, the son of a shepherd, spotted them and gave out the alarm.

The incident closest to the one you've described is Bravo Two Zero. Unfortunately, that turned out about as well as such engagements typically do. Special forces soldiers aren't supermen. Their specialty is getting in and out before anyone notices. Once seen, if they're on foot, it's only a matter of time before they're neutralized - captured or killed. All the opposition has to do is surround them at a safe distance and shoot at them to keep their heads down. The enemy can call in artillery and air strikes, in addition to having unlimited ammo and numerical superiority. And knowing the terrain like the backs of their hands.

15 posted on 09/23/2013 6:55:45 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Bottom line is that he was putting himself in extreme danger in returning to the mall - he would have been too distracted by the people he was pulling out to have much situational awareness, and he was one guy with a pistol going up against an unknown number of opponents armed with at least automatic rifles and grenades, for whom the entire mall was a free fire zone. My hat’s off to him.


16 posted on 09/23/2013 6:59:42 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: exbrit

Can we only link to The Daily Mail now? I thought we could excerpt.


17 posted on 09/23/2013 7:43:05 PM PDT by expat1000
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To: Texas Fossil

The Regiment have been the gold standard for 70 years.


18 posted on 09/23/2013 7:47:06 PM PDT by the scotsman (i)
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To: Zhang Fei

I agree that it was totally situational, and judgment calls have to be made. It’s just that I have known so many special ops-types who would have been hyper-aggressive killing machines in such a situation, that I have to wonder.

There are some people who are just naturally born warrior types, and ordinary people stacked up against them just don’t have a chance.


19 posted on 09/23/2013 7:53:26 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (The best War on Terror News is at rantburg.com)
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To: the scotsman
The English military has more than one group with similar reputation. Different expertise but all known effective.

The US Military has their own. Often unrecognized by the public. That is how it is.

20 posted on 09/23/2013 7:59:13 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: vpintheak
Right on.

God bless him.

21 posted on 09/23/2013 8:06:19 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: Texas Fossil

Ironically, the SAS was founded by a Scot.


22 posted on 09/23/2013 8:12:36 PM PDT by the scotsman (i)
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To: the scotsman

My father served in Germany, Belgium & Checz during WWII.

He never talked much about his time in Europe when I was young. He does more now. He always told me that the English were funny, but that “Tommy would fight”. He had great respect for the English soldiers he knew.

My father knew some good soldiers.

Dad’s best friend growing up became a paratrooper. He jumped behind the lines during the Normandy invasion, jumped into Holland and was trucked into The Bulge.

I got to know his friend well when I was in College. He and his wife were finishing their education (both teachers in AK) and my wife and I liked them a lot. We bought their home when his widow moved to a care home. Their daughter and her husband still come through here occassionally, super nice people. He was a pilot, flew everything. (well)


23 posted on 09/23/2013 8:19:56 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: the scotsman

Some how I am not surprised.

My ancestors claimed Scot/Irish ancestry. I have no paper trail for that, but the traits are still visible in the family.

Some of my ancestors migrated from SC, GA, AL, TX. The Carolina’s were the gateway that many of the Scots used as they moved West. They never seemed to like civilization too much. I was told that spartan living was a trait they acquired by being burned out by the English so often. They did not build lasting structures because they figured they would have to rebuild them anyway.


24 posted on 09/23/2013 8:24:28 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Edward Teach

Dare to dream!
Dare to do!


25 posted on 09/23/2013 8:29:01 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I'm a Conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: exbrit

I’m wondering if he took out any Muzzies!


26 posted on 09/23/2013 8:32:46 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I'm a Conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
An ex-Israeli special forces guy who co-founded Akamai was killed by the 9/11 hijackers. Yes, he had been out for a decade, but he lacked the situational awareness to figure out that one of the hijackers was behind him. I'm sure these guys do great in shooting competitions and in single combat, but it's quite another thing to deal with even minimally-trained real live people who outnumber you and are cooperating with each other in trying to kill you. "Lone Survivor" was a book that described in excruciating detail what happens when special forces soldiers are detected by primitive Afghan tribesmen out in Indian country.
27 posted on 09/23/2013 8:44:47 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Chode

You don’t need an armorer for the G3 or the AK.


28 posted on 09/23/2013 8:47:11 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( ==> sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Texas Fossil

They’ve blown his cover!......Horrible


29 posted on 09/23/2013 9:24:23 PM PDT by Guenevere (....)
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To: Guenevere

Yep. And the pic this morning was a clear photo.


30 posted on 09/23/2013 9:29:45 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Texas Fossil

Yes, clearly.......


31 posted on 09/23/2013 9:42:37 PM PDT by Guenevere (....)
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To: Texas Fossil

Yes, clearly.......


32 posted on 09/23/2013 9:42:37 PM PDT by Guenevere (....)
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To: Zhang Fei

Incorrect, there was indeed a US Army SF team in a fight like that he was referring to. It is a totally separate incident from the Bravo 2 zero thing. And it ended as he said. They inflicted enormous casualties and escaped in fine shape. They were able to establish communications and direct F-16s with cluster bombs in close support until their rescue choppers arrived.
The final decisive CBU drop was nearly on their own position as it was about to be overrun.

It wiped out the bad guys long enough for a rescue machine to snatch them out.


33 posted on 09/23/2013 9:52:25 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DesertRhino
They were able to establish communications and direct F-16s with cluster bombs in close support until their rescue choppers arrived.

Air support and choppers with miniguns obviously provide more firepower than the locals can match, while taking care of enemy air and artillery. After 9/11, air support provided lightly-armed Northern Alliance troops with what they needed to drive the Taliban out of most Afghan cities. Air support provides Army platoons with the ability to hold off hundreds of Taliban at a time. The SAS team had to fight them off with the weapons on hand. Marcus Luttrell's unit had no air support. Bottom line is that with just the weapons on hand, and on foot, special forces personnel are sitting ducks once they're discovered out in Indian country. It wasn't like the ex-SAS guy at the mall could call in Tornado air strikes on jihadi positions.

34 posted on 09/23/2013 10:24:18 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
By the account in this story, he chose to evacuate many innocent civilians. And this was his tactical choice. But what if he had chosen to instead confront the problem instead of mitigating it?

I think I'll defer to his choice, whatever his reasons.

35 posted on 09/23/2013 10:44:20 PM PDT by Teacher317 (Obama is failing faster than I can lower my expectations.)
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To: exbrit

The MSM keeps talking about 3 Americans being among the terrorists. Since when is an islamist Somali, who spent a couple of years in Minnesota and then returned to Africa to continue Jihad, ever to be considered an American?


36 posted on 09/24/2013 4:16:54 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Gun Control is the Key to totalitarianism and genocide.)
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To: exbrit

This SAS guy is a genuine hero. No running for a touchtown and doing a dance in the end zone, this hero goes back in to face certain danger and save lives a dozen times, because that’s what heros do. Nobody ordered him to do this; he saw people in danger and removed them from danger.


37 posted on 09/24/2013 4:20:16 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Gun Control is the Key to totalitarianism and genocide.)
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To: smokingfrog
yeah, there is that...
38 posted on 09/24/2013 4:39:01 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode

Finally, some brit figured out that completely eliminating guns is not such a good idea after all, just ask those 100 or so people the off duty soldier saved.


39 posted on 09/24/2013 5:03:50 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: Progov
100%
40 posted on 09/24/2013 5:04:57 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: BuffaloJack

Headline: BRIT WITH ILLEGAL HANDGUN PUTS MALL AT RISK
Witness: Someone could have been badly killed by that gun


41 posted on 09/24/2013 5:12:27 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: expat1000

Was having trouble posting so I did the link only thing and it was posted. Not sure if it was me (I’m technically challenged) or the Mail


42 posted on 09/24/2013 5:30:09 AM PDT by exbrit
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To: exbrit

The Mail is a bit tricky because it always appends its own HTML credit at the end of whatever you copy. You can excerpt here, though. That is not against the rules.

Anyway, it’s no big deal, exbrit, and and thanks for posting it.


43 posted on 09/24/2013 5:51:46 AM PDT by expat1000
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To: Zhang Fei

The advantage in this situation is still with the individual, for several reasons.

First of all, even if it is a large confined area, it is still indoors, with lots of places to hide. If the attackers stay together as a group, it defeats the purpose of what they are doing, so if they are smart, they break into two or three man teams and fan out.

They also have to maintain exit security, and carry out what they are intending to do, which takes manpower. If they take prisoners, somebody has to guard them.

The individual, on the other hand, hides and looks for any good opportunity to nail a limited number of attackers at a time. His security bubble is limited to himself, so he can have good focus.

If he kills an attacker, he gets any assets the attacker had, and then hides the attackers body, which will frustrate the attacker group trying to control the situation.


44 posted on 09/24/2013 6:26:22 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (The best War on Terror News is at rantburg.com)
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