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Kerry to sign UN arms treaty, despite Senators' opposition
Faux News ^ | September 24, 2013 | Nicole Busch

Posted on 09/24/2013 10:55:52 AM PDT by Old Sarge

Secretary of State John Kerry plans to sign a controversial U.N. treaty on arms regulation on Wednesday, a senior State Department official told Fox News -- despite warnings from lawmakers that the Senate will not ratify the agreement.

A State official said the treaty would "reduce the risk that international transfers of conventional arms will be used to carry out the world's worst crimes," while protecting gun rights.

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Politics/Elections
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1 posted on 09/24/2013 10:55:52 AM PDT by Old Sarge
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To: Old Sarge

Does it cover smuggling arms through f’d up criminal investigations?


2 posted on 09/24/2013 10:58:03 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: USNBandit

Just one more thing to hang over the democrats head for the 2014/2016 elections.


3 posted on 09/24/2013 10:59:18 AM PDT by apillar
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To: Old Sarge

From another thread, reposted here:

“Getting it Through the Congress is another thing.”

Either they won’t try, or they’ll wait until the Senate is empty, then follow the constitution:

“He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.”

Note the lack of mention of a quorum in the Constitution.

As long as 2/3 of the senators present vote yes. So if four are present and three vote yes...


4 posted on 09/24/2013 10:59:21 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: DBrow

Isn’t there a quorum that has to be there for the Senate to be “present”

Although Bam bam is the authority on ‘present’


5 posted on 09/24/2013 11:02:58 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: DBrow
Note the lack of mention of a quorum in the Constitution.

As long as 2/3 of the senators present vote yes. So if four are present and three vote yes...

I'm pretty sure if that didn't violate existing Senate rules the liberals would have already tried it with Law of the Sea Treaty they have been trying to pass since the Reagan Administration or the Kyoto Global Warming Treaty during the 1990's

6 posted on 09/24/2013 11:05:32 AM PDT by apillar
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To: Old Sarge

I thought the President had to sign?


7 posted on 09/24/2013 11:09:35 AM PDT by edcoil (System now set up not to allow some to win but for no one to lose!)
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To: apillar

“I’m pretty sure if that didn’t violate existing Senate rules the liberals would have already tried it with Law of the Sea Treaty they have been trying to pass since the Reagan Administration or the Kyoto Global Warming Treaty during the 1990’s “

We’ll see. This president thinks he’s immune from repercussions, while the others felt the need for some restraint. If he owns three Supreme justices he may be immune.

I don’t really think they’ll pull such a stunt but I thought it important to bring up.


8 posted on 09/24/2013 11:13:35 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: Old Sarge

Kerry can’t do it alone. It will have to be ratified....


9 posted on 09/24/2013 11:13:51 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: DBrow

It may be difficult for Dingy Harry to pull that off with the present rules of the Senate, of course he may try changing them if he thinks he can get away with it.

Rules of the Senate

EXECUTIVE SESSION - PROCEEDINGS ON TREATIES

1. (a) When a treaty shall be laid before the Senate for ratification, it shall be read a first time; and no motion in respect to it shall be in order, except to refer it to a committee, to print it in confidence for the use of the Senate, or to remove the injunction of secrecy.

(b) When a treaty is reported from a committee with or without amendment, it shall, unless the Senate unanimously otherwise directs, lie over one day for consideration; after which it may be read a second time, after which amendments may be proposed. At any stage of such proceedings the Senate may remove the injunction of secrecy from the treaty.

(c) The decisions thus made shall be reduced to the form of a resolution of ratification, with or without amendments, as the case may be, which shall be proposed on a subsequent day, unless, by unanimous consent, the Senate determine otherwise, at which stage no amendment to the treaty shall be received unless by unanimous consent; but the resolution of ratification when pending shall be open to amendment in the form of reservations, declarations, statements, or understandings.

(d) On the final question to advise and consent to the ratification in the form agreed to, the concurrence of twothirds of the Senators present shall be necessary to determine it in the affirmative; but all other motions and questions upon a treaty shall be decided by a majority vote, except a motion to postpone indefinitely, which shall be decided by a vote of twothirds.

2. Treaties transmitted by the President to the Senate for ratification shall be resumed at the second or any subsequent session of the same Congress at the stage in which they were left at the final adjournment of the session at which they were transmitted; but all proceedings on treaties shall terminate with the Congress, and they shall be resumed at the commencement of the next Congress as if no proceedings had previously been had thereon.

http://www.rules.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p=RuleXXX


10 posted on 09/24/2013 11:15:26 AM PDT by jazusamo ([Obama] A Truly Great Phony -- Thomas Sowell http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3058949/posts)
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To: Old Sarge

How is this possible?


11 posted on 09/24/2013 11:27:07 AM PDT by livius
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To: DBrow

Thanks, I posted before I saw your comment.


12 posted on 09/24/2013 11:28:41 AM PDT by livius
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To: apillar

Just one more thing to hang over the democrats head for the 2014/2016 elections.

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Considering this administration is immune to the law, I wouldn’t be surprised to see them hold a “GUN BUYBACK” for cash, and “Voter Registration” and “Voter Assistance” on election day, adjacent to the polling place.


13 posted on 09/24/2013 11:36:19 AM PDT by Zeneta
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To: DBrow

Neah. I think they gotta have a quorum - 51 Senators.
So they could ram it through with 34 votes.


14 posted on 09/24/2013 11:47:15 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: Little Ray

Who would’ve thought Kenyans would’ve been so useful and expendable to this admin.


15 posted on 09/24/2013 11:52:46 AM PDT by bicyclerepair (Inbred, pedophile-worshipping, misogynists (mozlums) offend me.)
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To: jazusamo

I don’t really think they’ll go as far as I was suggesting.

But, for the sake of argument, the Senate rules repeat the same wording as the Constitution:

(d) On the final question to advise and consent to the ratification in the form agreed to, the concurrence of twothirds of the Senators present shall be necessary to determine it in the affirmative;

and does not mention a quorum.

I think that the regime will start to issue orders and regulations as though the treaty was ratified. I also expect a couple of governors to sign on and do the same in their states.


16 posted on 09/24/2013 11:55:10 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: Old Sarge

Sign away pal. It’s not going to matter.

Treaties not only do not “trump” the Constitution, they don’t trump State Constitution’s either. This was what was spelled out as the understanding of the states before the Constitution was ratified. What’s more it was this understanding that the states had that convinced them to actually ratify the Constitution.

http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2013/06/06/do-treaties-trump-the-constitution/#.UkHbdX8kIYI


17 posted on 09/24/2013 11:57:38 AM PDT by Lucky9teen ("The only thing worse than a knee-jerk liberal is a knee-pad conservative." ~ Edward Abbey)
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To: edcoil

SecState is the country’s representative abroad.

They sign treaties, and the Senate confirm.


18 posted on 09/24/2013 11:57:52 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who will watch the watchers?)
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To: DBrow

I doubt they’d pull that either but I agree with you that the turkey and his supporters will ignore that the treaty hasn’t been ratified and do as they please.

By 0bummer’s previous actions he’s already shown us he’s capable of that.


19 posted on 09/24/2013 12:07:42 PM PDT by jazusamo ([Obama] A Truly Great Phony -- Thomas Sowell http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3058949/posts)
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If there was ever any question about the intentions of every single one of those domestic enemies masked as democrats, let this set that aside.
If this does not motivate people to come out and vote to defeat every last stinking one of those filthy US hating miserable communists, and NWO liberals masking themselves as Republicans, I don’t know if anything can.


20 posted on 09/24/2013 12:10:19 PM PDT by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: USNBandit

Kerry and the illegal alien sitting in the White House can sign that POS treaty all day long and it makes no difference. The Senate will never ratify it.


21 posted on 09/24/2013 1:28:09 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Old Sarge

This is like signing a petition....Calling it an enforceable treaty is absurd.


22 posted on 09/24/2013 1:52:55 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: SumProVita

One suspects that Mr Kerry is merely, and obediently following instructions.


23 posted on 09/24/2013 3:00:20 PM PDT by Half gainer
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To: Half gainer

Kerry is probably already sitting at the table with the pen in his hand. He cannot wait to sign that thing. He is panting as if this thing is a rich widow.


24 posted on 09/24/2013 4:07:23 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who will watch the watchers?)
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To: Old Sarge

Kerry: Always the one to so quickly surrender or flee from reality.

Benedict Arnold is laughing in his grave, while Alger Hiss is thinking (from hell), “we’ve got one”.


25 posted on 09/24/2013 4:40:22 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Old Sarge

This is great news. We need to push a non-ratification vote in the Senate to put vulnerable Dems into a bind.

It just keeps getting better for us. Proverbs 16:18 is coming to pass. We need to avoid hubris and win our ground game.


26 posted on 09/24/2013 7:25:51 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: apillar

Let’s put a non-ratification vote up in the Senate. We can hold the Congress for a generation.


27 posted on 09/24/2013 7:27:04 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: All

I saw a trailer on Glenn Beck’s The Blaze where he signed it - is that really true???


28 posted on 09/25/2013 2:06:47 PM PDT by jackibutterfly (Life is short. Smile while you still have teeth. :-))
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