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Don't Call It a Filibuster: Ted Cruz can talk until Wednesday morning.
National Journal ^ | 09/24/2013 | Alex Seitz-Wald

Posted on 09/24/2013 2:48:38 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Despite what you see on C-SPAN2, or what you read on Twitter, Ted Cruz is not filibustering Obamacare. The Republican senator from Texas is speaking on the Senate floor for what is expected to be very long time—asked by reporters when he'd stop, he replied, "We shall see"—but it's not a filibuster in the sense of actually stopping the upper chamber's proceedings. Instead, Cruz's stand is purely symbolic.

In a real talking filibuster, as famously portrayed in Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, a senator occupies the Senate floor indefinitely so as to block the chamber from taking up any other business. In Cruz's case, Senate rules limit his time, and he'll have to cede the floor by Wednesday morning at the latest. That's a long time, but the Senate will have to wait whether Cruz speaks or not. As Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said Tuesday morning, "I want to make sure everyone understands: There is no filibuster today."

Democrats already have the 60 votes needed to initiate cloture and break an actual Republican filibuster, so the rest of the timing is essentially on "autopilot," as Reid said, because he initiated the complicated series of procedural moves cut off debate Monday.

Note for nerds: Sen Cruz may use lots of floor time under Rule 22 re Obamacare. It WON'T be a talking filibuster unless 41 sens deny cloture — Todd Zwillich (@toddzwillich) September 24, 2013

 

... and the chances of that are increasingly remote. What Cruz will do is time-limited and by definition not a talking filibuster. — Todd Zwillich (@toddzwillich) September 24, 2013

Cruz is not the first senator to give a non-filibuster "filibuster." Independent Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont spent hours on the Senate floor giving a speech in 2010 that was later made into a book, but it was not actually a filibuster.

The Washington Post's Paul Kane has a day-by-day breakdown of how that timing will play out between now and next Tuesday, when the government runs out of money. Nowhere along the way—unless all 41 Republicans unite behind Cruz's effort, which seems unlikely—is there an opportunity for a real filibuster. But that won't stop Cruz from talking.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 113th; filbuster; obamacare; tedcruz

1 posted on 09/24/2013 2:48:38 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

The “talk” is a great basis for a book.


2 posted on 09/24/2013 2:52:03 PM PDT by Paladin2 (h)
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To: SeekAndFind

Part of this is because of rules changes the republicans accepted at the start of the session. But part is because of how Reid runs the senate — he does NOT relinquish the floor in a normal fashion, so rarely can anything happen that he hasn’t scripted.

On the other hand, the article makes a trivial error — there are 46 republican senators, not 41. We need 41 to prevent the end of debate.

Oddly, because of another rules change, if the bill is accepted, amendments can be passed with 51 votes. That is what they are trying to filibuster now, they want to have amendments require 60 votes. But NO newspaper is explaining this, because they want to be able to “laugh” at how the conservatives are filibustering to stop a vote on their own bill that defunds Obamacare.


3 posted on 09/24/2013 2:53:42 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: SeekAndFind
Cruz's case, Senate rules limit his time, and he'll have to cede the floor by Wednesday morning at the latest.

THAT remains to be seen.

Go Ted GO!

4 posted on 09/24/2013 2:54:22 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

BTW, these rules changes are one of the many reasons that there are actually “more” filibusters than ever, meaning more “cloture” votes to end “filibusters”, even those that never happen. Reid set up the rules to pretty much require these votes, and so he could complain about it.


5 posted on 09/24/2013 2:54:35 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: SeekAndFind

What Cruz is doing is important because Obama thought he could delay part of Obamacare for political gain and no one would notice. Cruz makes sure people know what a mess it all is.

Obama:”Republicans are messin’ wit me.”

Cruz is messing with his mess.


6 posted on 09/24/2013 3:00:22 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: SeekAndFind
LOL! Media is afraid he looks too much like James Stewart:


7 posted on 09/24/2013 3:00:25 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Go, Ted, GO!!

Pray Boehner’s newly found backbone stays stiff, so he can reject Reid’s amended bill and then starts passing individual bills funding each essential department one at a time. No funding for obamacare! Cut the funding for HHS and IRS so they cannot possibly implement obamacare. The House and the House alone wields the constitutional power of the purse, and the power to deny!


8 posted on 09/24/2013 3:03:54 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Obama:”Republicans are messin’ wit me.”
9 posted on 09/24/2013 3:05:42 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: SeekAndFind

A vote for cloture is a vote for GeldingCare. The GOPe owns it.


10 posted on 09/24/2013 3:06:49 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: SeekAndFind

I, for one, am PRAYING for Ted Cruz.


11 posted on 09/24/2013 3:51:03 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Cruz’s ability to speak clearly and cogently at length without a teleprompter (TP) stands in sharp contrast to the Great Interloper’s reliance on the TP. It’s because of his personal eloquence and the utter correctness of his stance on Obamanationcare.


12 posted on 09/24/2013 3:53:41 PM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished.)
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To: luvbach1
"Cruz’s ability to speak clearly and cogently at length without a teleprompter (TP"

It's amazing and mesmerizing.

13 posted on 09/24/2013 4:04:04 PM PDT by Paladin2 (h)
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To: Paladin2

Keep talking National Journal. People are paying attention. If he can go until tomorrow morning, you’ll have red state dems needing catheters.


14 posted on 09/24/2013 4:15:48 PM PDT by struggle
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To: SeekAndFind

“Democrats already have the 60 votes needed to initiate cloture and break an actual Republican filibuster, so the rest of the timing is essentially on “autopilot,” as Reid said, because he initiated the complicated series of procedural moves cut off debate Monday.”

Then we should filibuster and let ‘em vote. The R bad guys will be on record and it will hurt southern dems like Landieu to vote yes on cloture.


15 posted on 09/24/2013 4:17:28 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: ModelBreaker

Call out the anti-Constitutionalist traitors.


16 posted on 09/24/2013 4:21:04 PM PDT by Paladin2 (h)
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To: Paladin2

“There is no filibuster today”

If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck. Well you know. :=)


17 posted on 09/24/2013 4:21:22 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Cruz is cleaner and WAY more articulate than Bammy.


18 posted on 09/24/2013 4:28:28 PM PDT by Paladin2 (h)
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To: SeekAndFind

Sen. Ted Cruz is the only one in the cesspool of Washington D.C. that is not talking Bolshevik.


19 posted on 09/24/2013 4:40:02 PM PDT by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: ModelBreaker

IIRC, there are 54 Democrats in the Senate, and 46 Republicans. Yet Dingy Harry has 60 votes to invoke cloture.

Howcum?


20 posted on 09/24/2013 5:00:21 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: Paladin2

Green Eggs and Ham pure genuis.


21 posted on 09/24/2013 5:14:46 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: ModelBreaker

“... it will hurt southern dems like Landieu to vote yes on cloture.”

No. Because Harry, needing only 51 votes after cloture on debate, can then let several of his proles actually vote against the final bill funding Obamacare.


22 posted on 09/24/2013 5:25:51 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: elcid1970

Could well be disinformation....


23 posted on 09/24/2013 5:55:00 PM PDT by expat2
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To: expat2

Oh.....Senate Republicans are really THAT stupid!?

Or are they hearing from their low-information constituents who think Obamacare is manna from heaven?

BTW, Thank you never enough O mighty El Rushbo, for adding that incisive term “low-information voter” to our political vocabulary.


24 posted on 09/24/2013 6:23:53 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: Jim Robinson

No! Individual bills one at a time would expand govt. LESS govt please. The less days they are in session the better!


25 posted on 09/24/2013 6:35:42 PM PDT by stklurker
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To: elcid1970

There may be too much negative said about the leadership. They may well be following a different strategy — letting Obamacare run in 2014 so that the Dems will get the blame for the mess, and the GOP can take over the Senate and then kill the monstrosity properly (and get nice committee chair positions, too, of course).


26 posted on 09/24/2013 7:51:32 PM PDT by expat2
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To: Berlin_Freeper

No, people will “know” Cruz is a jerk, or so the media will tell them. They won’t learn anything else unless they go to sources besides the liberal media. Cruz will get a bigger name for himself though, which is what I think he wanted all the time.


27 posted on 09/24/2013 7:53:35 PM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: Paladin2

At 10:55 pm Tuesday night: Cruz is still speaking clearly but a few stumbles indicate his increasing fatigue.


28 posted on 09/24/2013 7:55:03 PM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished.)
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To: elcid1970

I’m guessin’ there’s some walkin’ dead on the GOP side.

They may not know it; may have it figured differently in their little establishment skulls, but letting Obamacare pass into law will be a sure-fire way for any Republican to get blasted out of the Senate on a permanent basis come their next re-election cycle.


29 posted on 09/24/2013 9:15:41 PM PDT by HKMk23 (ditditdit dahdahdah ditditdit)
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To: PghBaldy

No you. This is a necessary protest against a government boondoggle most people are against and that the MSM you are ready rollover for has failed to sell. I think the “jerk” is the one pinning a derogatory assertion on the motive of a man brave enough to stand-up for us and be heard.


30 posted on 09/24/2013 10:37:07 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: PghBaldy
Here is a 2,400+ thread that greatly disagrees with your negative and cheap comment:

Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress (Live Thread)

31 posted on 09/24/2013 11:04:02 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: SeekAndFind
What is ironic about Cruz speaking as I sit hear and listen to him read letter after letter from organizations and individuals, ALL AGAINST Obamacare, the whole of America is in bed fast asleep.

It ironically symbolizes what is wrong with this Country. While Cruz attempts to enlighten and inform America SLEEPS.

Even throughout the day tomorrow while most of America is awake they'll remain asleep in relation to what's happening to this Country.

32 posted on 09/24/2013 11:11:31 PM PDT by VideoDoctor
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To: expat2
sounds too much like Rush's "vote for barry" instead of Hitlery back in the 2007 primaries...

trying to out convive and out strategize sometimes just helps the opposition along...

let them do what they must do....I pray to God that its the right thing to do...

33 posted on 09/24/2013 11:59:47 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Berlin_Freeper; PghBaldy

In Baldy’s defense, read the context.

He’s saying that the Media will put out the meme that “Cruz is a jerk”, the same way the Media put out the memes of “Palin=whitetrash”, “Reagan=buffoon”, “eeeeevilBOOOOSH”, and “If you’re against Obama you’re obviously racist”.

All of which have been, and are being, believed by the low-info’s.

In fact, O-CNN and Faux have already started this meme. They have been belittling and marginalizing Cruz since the speeching started.


34 posted on 09/25/2013 4:47:52 AM PDT by Old Sarge (Opinions are like orgasms: only mine count, and I couldn't care less if you have one...)
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To: cherry
trying to out convive and out strategize sometimes just helps the opposition along

We have to be as smart as the conniving baseturds in the opposition -- let's not be the Stupid Party any longer.

35 posted on 09/25/2013 8:00:36 AM PDT by expat2
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To: cherry

Much as I like Cruz, he is carrying out a crude frontal attack. Sun Tzu, the famous chinese general and strategist, pointed out the importance of deception and indirect strategies if you want to win a war.


36 posted on 09/25/2013 8:10:54 AM PDT by expat2
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To: expat2

Sun Tzu knows you have to make sure the troops you bring into battle are actually on your team.

Cruz is separating the wheat from the chaff in this party.


37 posted on 09/25/2013 8:14:12 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: Old Sarge; PghBaldy

If an Old Sarge says so then please excuse my response.


38 posted on 09/25/2013 8:44:07 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Hey, it’s all good.


39 posted on 09/25/2013 8:46:22 AM PDT by Old Sarge (Opinions are like orgasms: only mine count, and I couldn't care less if you have one...)
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To: GeronL

Yes, but there is an awful lot of chaff......


40 posted on 09/25/2013 10:56:59 AM PDT by expat2
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To: expat2

Maybe they could go and start the Chaff Party


41 posted on 09/25/2013 10:57:42 AM PDT by GeronL
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