Skip to comments.Don't Call It a Filibuster: Ted Cruz can talk until Wednesday morning.
Posted on 09/24/2013 2:48:38 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
Despite what you see on C-SPAN2, or what you read on Twitter, Ted Cruz is not filibustering Obamacare. The Republican senator from Texas is speaking on the Senate floor for what is expected to be very long timeasked by reporters when he'd stop, he replied, "We shall see"but it's not a filibuster in the sense of actually stopping the upper chamber's proceedings. Instead, Cruz's stand is purely symbolic.
In a real talking filibuster, as famously portrayed in Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, a senator occupies the Senate floor indefinitely so as to block the chamber from taking up any other business. In Cruz's case, Senate rules limit his time, and he'll have to cede the floor by Wednesday morning at the latest. That's a long time, but the Senate will have to wait whether Cruz speaks or not. As Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said Tuesday morning, "I want to make sure everyone understands: There is no filibuster today."
Democrats already have the 60 votes needed to initiate cloture and break an actual Republican filibuster, so the rest of the timing is essentially on "autopilot," as Reid said, because he initiated the complicated series of procedural moves cut off debate Monday.
Note for nerds: Sen Cruz may use lots of floor time under Rule 22 re Obamacare. It WON'T be a talking filibuster unless 41 sens deny cloture Todd Zwillich (@toddzwillich) September 24, 2013
... and the chances of that are increasingly remote. What Cruz will do is time-limited and by definition not a talking filibuster. Todd Zwillich (@toddzwillich) September 24, 2013
Cruz is not the first senator to give a non-filibuster "filibuster." Independent Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont spent hours on the Senate floor giving a speech in 2010 that was later made into a book, but it was not actually a filibuster.
The Washington Post's Paul Kane has a day-by-day breakdown of how that timing will play out between now and next Tuesday, when the government runs out of money. Nowhere along the wayunless all 41 Republicans unite behind Cruz's effort, which seems unlikelyis there an opportunity for a real filibuster. But that won't stop Cruz from talking.
The “talk” is a great basis for a book.
Part of this is because of rules changes the republicans accepted at the start of the session. But part is because of how Reid runs the senate — he does NOT relinquish the floor in a normal fashion, so rarely can anything happen that he hasn’t scripted.
On the other hand, the article makes a trivial error — there are 46 republican senators, not 41. We need 41 to prevent the end of debate.
Oddly, because of another rules change, if the bill is accepted, amendments can be passed with 51 votes. That is what they are trying to filibuster now, they want to have amendments require 60 votes. But NO newspaper is explaining this, because they want to be able to “laugh” at how the conservatives are filibustering to stop a vote on their own bill that defunds Obamacare.
THAT remains to be seen.
Go Ted GO!
BTW, these rules changes are one of the many reasons that there are actually “more” filibusters than ever, meaning more “cloture” votes to end “filibusters”, even those that never happen. Reid set up the rules to pretty much require these votes, and so he could complain about it.
What Cruz is doing is important because Obama thought he could delay part of Obamacare for political gain and no one would notice. Cruz makes sure people know what a mess it all is.
Obama:”Republicans are messin’ wit me.”
Cruz is messing with his mess.
Go, Ted, GO!!
Pray Boehner’s newly found backbone stays stiff, so he can reject Reid’s amended bill and then starts passing individual bills funding each essential department one at a time. No funding for obamacare! Cut the funding for HHS and IRS so they cannot possibly implement obamacare. The House and the House alone wields the constitutional power of the purse, and the power to deny!
A vote for cloture is a vote for GeldingCare. The GOPe owns it.
I, for one, am PRAYING for Ted Cruz.
Cruz’s ability to speak clearly and cogently at length without a teleprompter (TP) stands in sharp contrast to the Great Interloper’s reliance on the TP. It’s because of his personal eloquence and the utter correctness of his stance on Obamanationcare.
It's amazing and mesmerizing.
Keep talking National Journal. People are paying attention. If he can go until tomorrow morning, you’ll have red state dems needing catheters.
“Democrats already have the 60 votes needed to initiate cloture and break an actual Republican filibuster, so the rest of the timing is essentially on “autopilot,” as Reid said, because he initiated the complicated series of procedural moves cut off debate Monday.”
Then we should filibuster and let ‘em vote. The R bad guys will be on record and it will hurt southern dems like Landieu to vote yes on cloture.
Call out the anti-Constitutionalist traitors.
“There is no filibuster today”
If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck. Well you know. :=)
Cruz is cleaner and WAY more articulate than Bammy.
Sen. Ted Cruz is the only one in the cesspool of Washington D.C. that is not talking Bolshevik.
IIRC, there are 54 Democrats in the Senate, and 46 Republicans. Yet Dingy Harry has 60 votes to invoke cloture.
Green Eggs and Ham pure genuis.
“... it will hurt southern dems like Landieu to vote yes on cloture.”
No. Because Harry, needing only 51 votes after cloture on debate, can then let several of his proles actually vote against the final bill funding Obamacare.
Could well be disinformation....
Oh.....Senate Republicans are really THAT stupid!?
Or are they hearing from their low-information constituents who think Obamacare is manna from heaven?
BTW, Thank you never enough O mighty El Rushbo, for adding that incisive term “low-information voter” to our political vocabulary.
No! Individual bills one at a time would expand govt. LESS govt please. The less days they are in session the better!
There may be too much negative said about the leadership. They may well be following a different strategy — letting Obamacare run in 2014 so that the Dems will get the blame for the mess, and the GOP can take over the Senate and then kill the monstrosity properly (and get nice committee chair positions, too, of course).
No, people will “know” Cruz is a jerk, or so the media will tell them. They won’t learn anything else unless they go to sources besides the liberal media. Cruz will get a bigger name for himself though, which is what I think he wanted all the time.
At 10:55 pm Tuesday night: Cruz is still speaking clearly but a few stumbles indicate his increasing fatigue.
I’m guessin’ there’s some walkin’ dead on the GOP side.
They may not know it; may have it figured differently in their little establishment skulls, but letting Obamacare pass into law will be a sure-fire way for any Republican to get blasted out of the Senate on a permanent basis come their next re-election cycle.
No you. This is a necessary protest against a government boondoggle most people are against and that the MSM you are ready rollover for has failed to sell. I think the “jerk” is the one pinning a derogatory assertion on the motive of a man brave enough to stand-up for us and be heard.
It ironically symbolizes what is wrong with this Country. While Cruz attempts to enlighten and inform America SLEEPS.
Even throughout the day tomorrow while most of America is awake they'll remain asleep in relation to what's happening to this Country.
trying to out convive and out strategize sometimes just helps the opposition along...
let them do what they must do....I pray to God that its the right thing to do...
In Baldy’s defense, read the context.
He’s saying that the Media will put out the meme that “Cruz is a jerk”, the same way the Media put out the memes of “Palin=whitetrash”, “Reagan=buffoon”, “eeeeevilBOOOOSH”, and “If you’re against Obama you’re obviously racist”.
All of which have been, and are being, believed by the low-info’s.
In fact, O-CNN and Faux have already started this meme. They have been belittling and marginalizing Cruz since the speeching started.
We have to be as smart as the conniving baseturds in the opposition -- let's not be the Stupid Party any longer.
Much as I like Cruz, he is carrying out a crude frontal attack. Sun Tzu, the famous chinese general and strategist, pointed out the importance of deception and indirect strategies if you want to win a war.
Sun Tzu knows you have to make sure the troops you bring into battle are actually on your team.
Cruz is separating the wheat from the chaff in this party.
If an Old Sarge says so then please excuse my response.
Hey, it’s all good.
Yes, but there is an awful lot of chaff......
Maybe they could go and start the Chaff Party
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