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Fate of Obamacare Controlled by Republicans -- Period
Townhall.com ^ | September 25, 2013 | Terry Jeffrey

Posted on 09/25/2013 8:02:49 AM PDT by Kaslin

In the next few days, politicians in Washington, D.C., will do and say many things to make it look and sound as if they are against Obamacare when in fact they are ultimately planning to use the power that has been vested in them by the people of their districts and states to ensure that Obamacare is funded and implemented.

But make no mistake: If Obamacare is funded and implemented it will be because Republican members of Congress decided to do it.

This is not a debatable supposition. It is an irrefutable fact. The fate of Obamacare is controlled completely by Republicans -- period.

Article 1, Section 9, Clause 7 of the Constitution says: "No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in consequence of appropriations made by law." That means that President Barack Obama cannot spend a dollar out of the Treasury unless Congress has enacted a law authorizing him to spend that dollar. As of now, the law authorizing Obama to spend dollars expires on Sept. 30.

Both houses of Congress must pass a bill and the president must sign that bill for it to become law. If the House does not pass a bill authorizing Obama to spend money implementing Obamacare in the period after Sept. 30, Obama cannot spend money for that purpose.

Last week, the Republican-controlled House approved a bill to fund the government after Sept. 30 that specifically states that "no Federal funds shall be made available to carry out any provisions" of Obamacare and that prohibits all the new "entitlements and benefits" under Obamacare from taking effect.

As long as House Republicans insist on keeping this language in any legislation enacted to fund the government after Sept. 30, Obamacare is dead.

If House Republicans decide to remove this language, Obamacare will live. And, if House Republicans decide to let Obamacare live now, it almost certainly will live (or evolve into a single-payer health care system) as long as America itself manages to stumble along under the accumulating burden of it and all the other welfare-state programs that have been created in this nation since President Franklin Roosevelt first began building an American welfare state in the 1930s.

It will not matter if Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., refuses to move a government funding bill through the Senate that includes the House language defunding Obamacare. It will not matter if Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky. and the majority of Senate Republicans -- except Ted Cruz, R-Texas, Mike Lee, R-Utah, and a few other stalwarts -- decide to let Reid pass legislation to fund Obamacare by a simple majority vote. It will not matter if Obama vows to veto any legislation that includes the House language that prohibits funding for Obamacare.

Unless the Republican-controlled House passes legislation that permits funding of Obamacare, Obamacare is dead.

The strategic framework of this battle is simple: Every thing Obama, Senate Democrats and their allies in the liberal media are doing in this fight seeks a single end -- making House Republicans enact legislation funding the implementation of Obamacare.

If Obama, Senate Democrats and their allies in the liberal media cannot make House Republicans fund Obamacare, they lose and America wins.

So the question is this: Why would House Republicans abandon their current principled position and go ahead and fund Obamacare?

In general terms, this answer is also simple: They will only do it if they believe that for enacting legislation to fund Obamacare they will get something they value even more in return.

But what could that be?

To answer that it is first necessary to weigh the value of what the Republicans would get if they hold their ground and stop Obamacare. In that case, they would preserve a large measure of American freedom that is imminently threatened.

Under Obamacare, for the first time ever, the federal government will force American citizens to buy a product they do not want.

Under Obamacare, the administration will give tax dollars to insurance plans that pay for abortions -- the deliberate taking of innocent life.

Under Obamacare, the administration will force Catholics and other Christians to buy and/or provide coverage for services -- including sterilizations, artificial contraceptives and abortion-inducing drugs -- that violate the teachings of their faith.

Obamacare will annihilate both freedom of conscience and innocent human lives -- in the babies aborted by its subsidies.

Could Obama and Senate Democrats and the liberal media offer anything of such great value that House Republicans should trade it for this?

No.


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1 posted on 09/25/2013 8:02:49 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
"If the House does not pass a bill authorizing Obama to spend money implementing Obamacare in the period after Sept. 30, Obama cannot spend money for that purpose. "

No longer the case as Bammy continues as a Dicktater.

2 posted on 09/25/2013 8:06:16 AM PDT by Paladin2 (h)
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To: Kaslin

The Pubbies will cry, “but we don’t have the votes!”.

The d’s don’t control the House, which is essential to all that happens.

You don’t see them saying they don’t have the votes.

Why is not Boehner doing a Reid saying, “anything that funds obamacare is DOA?”

Why not?

Because they don’t have the guts. They are not unified.

This is of course what Cruz is saying, rightly.


3 posted on 09/25/2013 8:07:23 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: Kaslin

And NOT Ted Cruz. They are all on record as saying he has no control Hell take the win, though, if he gets it, if he doesn’t, people will turn to him when their monthly bill increases by $600 or so, and no one buys anything but groceries


4 posted on 09/25/2013 8:07:36 AM PDT by stanne
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To: Kaslin

You must ask yourself; “Who benefits from Obamacare?” And another which is being ignored is why “If you oppose Obamacare you are Racist.”


5 posted on 09/25/2013 8:08:32 AM PDT by usual suspect
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To: Kaslin

Quod erat demonstrandum


6 posted on 09/25/2013 8:09:03 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: Kaslin

Ummm....I’m pretty sure the Democrats get to vote on it too.

I could be wrong....


7 posted on 09/25/2013 8:09:10 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: Kaslin

This looks like a “people are overawed by evil” problem to me.

Sometimes it takes a school of hard knocks to get through people’s heads that yes, when you stick with God, you get hurled into some nasty battles but you also win.

And sometimes dire necessity is the only thing that will get people to try that approach. To put it in a more purely spiritual plane... the fear of hell can’t get anybody to heaven, but it can get them to the point where they endeavor to make amends with heaven (at which point they find it surprisingly easy... the cross already did the tough stuff).

Anyhow, Obama “care” is the political hell that God has set up here to inspire people to look for heaven again. IMHO.


8 posted on 09/25/2013 8:10:33 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: tumblindice

and a few freepers will still blame it on Cruz. lol


9 posted on 09/25/2013 8:10:40 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: Kaslin

The government’s to blame. The Republicans are to blame. For everything since FDR. Yup.
Who pays their salaries? Who keeps sending them money to stuff their own pockets, and to give away to cronies and moochers?


10 posted on 09/25/2013 8:11:23 AM PDT by HomeAtLast ( Get involved. Because you ARE involved.)
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To: Kaslin
Obama, Pelosi and Reid, we told you not to pass it and you did anyway. It's our money. You can't have it. You can have the money for everything else, but we are not giving you the money to ruin our health care system. Your call if you want to shut down your precious government over it, but you will not get your money by throwing a tantrum.

Would that Congressional leaders were willing to have that attitude and sell it to the American people. Go Cruz. Go Lee. Go Good Guy Party!

11 posted on 09/25/2013 8:13:00 AM PDT by Defiant (A rainbow curtain has descended upon the west, from Munich to San Francisco.)
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To: AppyPappy

Actually annihilating the law would need that. However if the GOP decided it was going to get whineproof and just didn’t lend its hand to doling out any more funds to Obama “care” ... well first there would be the sulphurous clouds of the usual doom and gloom Democrat lies... then if the GOP stood fast, reports would start coming in about how all these reprieves from the monster have made the economy more optimistic, and what’s left of private health care is actually rallying. I say GOP, dig in there. Don’t lend your hand to what is manifestly wrong. God rewards what is right.


12 posted on 09/25/2013 8:13:21 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Kaslin

“So the question is this: Why would House Republicans abandon their current principled position and go ahead and fund Obamacare?

In general terms, this answer is also simple: They will only do it if they believe that for enacting legislation to fund Obamacare they will get something they value even more in return.”

The answer is money, power, sex, or media attention. These are the things used in DC to control our elected representatives. Money works for most. The cost of running a campaign is so high it all but the wealthiest representatives of the people must sell out to the special interests who provide the big campaign money. Others fall to the opportunity to engage in sex with the beautiful men and women who hang around the powerful and then are subject to blackmail. Others, are addicted to power and must do the bidding of the power structure to acquire and retain power. Finally, there are the egomaniacs like McCain and Graham who love to be on television. To be a regular on the weekly talk show circuit they must toe the line of the media bosses who choose the featured guests on the shows.

Essentially they will abandon principle to take care of their interests.


13 posted on 09/25/2013 8:18:12 AM PDT by Soul of the South (Yesterday is gone. Today will be what we make of it.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Defunding should only be seen as a stop-gap measure like putting on one of those "space saver" spare tires in the event of a flat. Obamacare will ultimately have to be rescinded as law.
14 posted on 09/25/2013 8:19:40 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Kaslin

If the republicans refuse to fund Obamacare, Justice Roberts will just declare their actions unconrtitutional anyway.

Anything that has a negative effect on King Obama’s self esteem is not allowed in the United States Of Obama.


15 posted on 09/25/2013 8:19:45 AM PDT by Iron Munro (When a killer screams 'Allahu Akbar' you don't need to be mystified about a motive.)
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To: AppyPappy

Well actually annihilating it might not even need Democrats. If GOP paralyzed it until the next presidential election, the salutary results could result in a landslide.

Elephants are bigger than donkeys, fellas... I recall vaguely where the donkey iconography came from. It was a political cartoon by, IIRC, Nast. Where a man in a donkey suit (or something like that) managed to frighten a vastly larger elephant. It was actually meant to display the cowardice of the GOP of the time. The Donk party actually treated that kind of morally false victory as a badge of honor. About time to bring them some reality and STOMP, ye elephants!


16 posted on 09/25/2013 8:22:33 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: ConservativeDude
News Flash: With out the senate we can do nothing. Therefor it is mute for Boehner to say "anything that funds 0bamacre is DOA."

Maybe instead of sitting on your behind in the 2012 election you should have been voting for the Republican senator in your state. Not voting or voting for a third party candidate, who has zero chances to win doesn't help. You need to stop whining and do everything you can so we can take the senate back

BTW You are doing exactly what you accuse the Republicans of doing. This is called Projection

17 posted on 09/25/2013 8:23:22 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: SpaceBar

Still, we thank the good Lord if we need a spare and that’s the one we got. Sure we have to go at 50 mph till we get it fixed and that’s a bummer. But it was better than being stranded and maybe robbed or perish in the elements.


18 posted on 09/25/2013 8:23:44 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I know of no method to secure the repeal of bad or obnoxious laws so effective as their stringent execution.

Ulysses Grant


19 posted on 09/25/2013 8:24:37 AM PDT by Blackirish (Forward Comrades!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Kaslin

What is worth keeping 0bamacare alive? To the House Republicans, it is the fear that they will be blamed for a government shutdown. It is the fear that they will lose their precious seats in Congress.

In other words, they, as does EVERY SINGLE MEMBER OF CONGRESS, love their jobs more than they love their country. Not one of them will do the right thing if they believe it will cost them their seat in Congress.

Done deal. Period. End of statement.


20 posted on 09/25/2013 8:26:31 AM PDT by henkster (democrats will sacrifice the lives of our servicemen so 0bama doesn't look bad.)
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To: Kaslin

Pardon slow me, but I don’t comprende.

We are talking about refusing to lend the GOP yes to funding. It’s that easy if the GOP can get past the balogna. Hey Weeper, by all means keep on weeping, but weep for the sad state of US healthcare that will exist if Obama “care” gets its full way.


21 posted on 09/25/2013 8:26:45 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: AppyPappy

The Republicans hold the majority in the house. They can reject whatever the senate sends back to them. They do not need to pass a bill funding obamacare period! Terry Jeffrey is a solid constitutional conservative. If the house does not fund it, it does not get funded. All the president and senate can do is throw a hissy fit and issue threats. And they are.


22 posted on 09/25/2013 8:26:50 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Blackirish

Well that is an alternative approach, but the GOP isn’t going to want to do that. After all, not all GOP are devils.


23 posted on 09/25/2013 8:27:41 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Kaslin
Mitch "Pussy" McConnell seems ready to vote for:

"McConnelCare"

If Mitch votes for Cloture, HE OWNS IT!

"There is strength in my legs a little longer." - Ted Cruz, a man among men.

"I want to cut and run" - Mitch "Pussy" McConnell

24 posted on 09/25/2013 8:28:51 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Ted Cruz for President!)
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To: Jim Robinson

And Jim, the Lord will stand up Himself for the right thing. Obamacare does not exalt the God of blessing at all. It exalts petty little self centered bureaucrats and a snickering Satan that is lurking in the corner.


25 posted on 09/25/2013 8:29:13 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Tell the pussycat to get a lion heart and hang in there....


26 posted on 09/25/2013 8:30:10 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: GeronL

1856-Whig party dissolves over slavery, immigration
2013-GOP?


27 posted on 09/25/2013 8:30:59 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: Kaslin

This article is going to my Rep immediately. He claims to be for defunding 0bombacare. Now his feet are going to the fire.


28 posted on 09/25/2013 8:31:57 AM PDT by shove_it (old Old Guardsman)
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To: Kaslin

Keepers of the flame:

Cruz
Inhofe
Paul
Lee

Who else?


29 posted on 09/25/2013 8:33:52 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Ted Cruz for President!)
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To: Kaslin

Maybe instead of sitting on your behind in the 2012 election you should have been voting for the Republican senator in your state.”

WTF are you talking about, and why did you immediately make this personal? I have never voted for any third party candidate.


30 posted on 09/25/2013 8:36:44 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: Uncle Miltie

This is kind of stupid of him to do so, as he faces reelection in Kentucky next year, but at least he is honest, unlike the RINO senator of Tennessee Lamar Alexander who pretends to be against 0bamacare


31 posted on 09/25/2013 8:41:14 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: tumblindice

Obamacrap not a good enough reason for a split?


32 posted on 09/25/2013 8:47:48 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: Kaslin
This is not a debatable supposition. It is an irrefutable fact. The fate of Obamacare is controlled completely by Republicans -- period
33 posted on 09/25/2013 8:56:08 AM PDT by novemberslady
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To: Kaslin

Sorry, but Obamacare is self-appropriating, i.e. the appropriations are in the original bill, precisely to avoid the current political situation where republicans control one or two of the House, Senate or Prez. All three must agree to stop the existing self-appropriations.


34 posted on 09/25/2013 9:14:25 AM PDT by Engineer1955
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To: Kaslin

ah, the simple, unadorned truth. it’s a blessing to here it now and then. they could have stopped it any time after 2010 had they wanted to.


35 posted on 09/25/2013 9:21:48 AM PDT by dadfly
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To: Uncle Miltie

Roberts, Rubio


36 posted on 09/25/2013 9:33:13 AM PDT by nfldgirl
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To: Uncle Miltie

You can add Sen Jeff Sessions. Even that amnesty guy (Boo!) in Florida Rubio is standing up with Cruz against obamacare. But don’t really trust him or Paul. Both are unreliable as conservatives, even if they do the right thing on this.


37 posted on 09/25/2013 9:35:09 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Obamacare: Besides the military, the only budget area where democrats express phony concerned about “fiscal responsibility”.


38 posted on 09/25/2013 9:36:28 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: All

When the Republicans let “0”Care happen they will then own the Train Wreck instead of the Dems. A double win for the Lib/Pros.


39 posted on 09/25/2013 9:37:37 AM PDT by thegrump
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To: Kaslin
Could Obama and Senate Democrats and the liberal media offer anything of such great value that House Republicans should trade it for this?

No.

If Boehner was being the least bit honest, that assessment would be correct. But they're being offered something, and we don't know what it is. If we knew, we would not approve.

40 posted on 09/25/2013 9:39:05 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It's hard to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what you wanted to hear.)
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To: Kaslin

SCOTUS didn’t follow the Constitution McCain. So the Repubs should vote this thing down!


41 posted on 09/25/2013 9:40:48 AM PDT by BeadCounter (Really? Syria?)
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To: Engineer1955

more specifics?

if obamacare is 100% self-appropriating, then there should be no battle now.


42 posted on 09/25/2013 9:51:24 AM PDT by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: SteveH

“This $23.6 billion is part of the $105.5 billion appropriated by the last Congress to fund Obamacare. The remainder (Think of it as post-dated checks for the other $81.9 billion.) automatically becomes available between now and FY2019.” - See more at: http://www.askheritage.org/has-obamacare-already-begun-implementation/#sthash.aP22sGvX.dpuf


43 posted on 09/25/2013 10:02:23 AM PDT by Engineer1955
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To: tumblindice

I would prefer a purge in the 2013 GOP of the spineless national (and some states) party leadership and a takeover by small government, personal liberty, states’ rights people.

However, our divide today is over similar issues to the 1856 blowup of the Whigs; tax slavery, regulatory slavery, debt slavery and immigration. Add in legislation without representation by the unelected bureaucracy having the force of law and today’s problem statement is fairly complete.


44 posted on 09/25/2013 10:09:57 AM PDT by noprogs (Borders, Language, Culture)
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To: Jim Robinson

Yes but far more Democrats will support Obamacare than Republicans.


45 posted on 09/25/2013 10:38:44 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: AppyPappy

The house has the power of the purse.


46 posted on 09/25/2013 11:03:36 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: ConservativeDude

As Cruz said on Limbaugh...the GOP govern by fear, fear that they will lose their congressional power in 2014 elections if they are blamed for shutting down the government.

they underestimate conservative Americans and think we are incapable of critical independent thinking.

Republicans will lose because they have alienated the true patriots left in this country who will rally behind a candidate who remembers and preaches the values that founded this country...

acting on fear always leads to defeat...and defeated they will be especially if they manage to avoid a government shutdown by abandoning conservatives to the death panels of Obamacare.


47 posted on 09/25/2013 11:42:13 AM PDT by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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To: longfellowsmuse

well said!

(Would that politicians would fear the loss of OUR freedom...rather than the loss of their privileged jobs....)


48 posted on 09/25/2013 11:52:58 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: Kaslin

Since there is ample evidence that years ago our elected representatives cease to represent the “will of the people” .... is there any way to put this whole mess up for a public vote?


49 posted on 09/25/2013 12:14:44 PM PDT by R_Kangel ( "A Nation of Sheep ..... Will Beget ..... a Nation Ruled by Wolves.")
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To: Kaslin
I posted this yesterday or the day before....

1) If the Senate votes to fund Obamacare, and/or

2) If the House brings up a bill in response to Senate Amnesty bill,

then here is the result for 2014 - take it to the bank. America is fed up with the wussified "do-nothing" GOE Congress.




50 posted on 09/25/2013 12:28:56 PM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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