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Fate of Obamacare Controlled by Republicans -- Period
Townhall.com ^ | September 25, 2013 | Terry Jeffrey

Posted on 09/25/2013 8:02:49 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Kaslin

“Unless the Republican-controlled House passes legislation that permits funding of Obamacare, Obamacare is dead.”

Yup. The fight is and remains in the House. The focus has been on the Senate for the past few days but the House is where mcconnellcare succeeds or fails.


51 posted on 09/25/2013 12:52:31 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: ConservativeDude

Great question. Why aren’t the democrats screaming “We do have the votes in the house!”


52 posted on 09/25/2013 1:27:38 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: HiTech RedNeck
This looks like a “people are overawed by evil” problem to me. Sometimes it takes a school of hard knocks to get through people’s heads that yes, when you stick with God, you get hurled into some nasty battles but you also win. And sometimes dire necessity is the only thing that will get people to try that approach. To put it in a more purely spiritual plane... the fear of hell can’t get anybody to heaven, but it can get them to the point where they endeavor to make amends with heaven (at which point they find it surprisingly easy... the cross already did the tough stuff). Anyhow, Obama “care” is the political hell that God has set up here to inspire people to look for heaven again. IMHO.

NOPE! The only thing that is going to happen is that the idiot masses will become enraged and, like good little Obama soldiers, they will massacre the chosen scapegoat...you. Then they will slaughter the families of the opposition down to the last child. Then America will be as filthy, bloody, and miserable as the worst fourth world fecal dump for the rest of time.

Hell is coming to America but ONLY the innocent will suffer. The evil ones will prosper and delight in their destructive sadism. God will not save the helpless. If you aren't planning to leave the country yet then get crackin!
53 posted on 09/25/2013 1:53:03 PM PDT by Wanderer99
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To: Paladin2
No longer the case as Bammy continues as a Dicktater.

Watch his DICKTATER skills when the Congress does not raise the Debt Ceiling (I can hope can't I?).

He will clearly be operating outside the Constitution when he continues borrowing money. If the pubbies do not have the stomach for a little defunding fight they sure as hell are not going to go against him on anything - THE GOP IS CLEARLY THE SURRENDER MONKEY PARTY AND NEED A NEW MASCOT AND SHOULD BE RETIRING THE ELEPHANT.
54 posted on 09/25/2013 2:01:21 PM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Defiant

“Obama, Pelosi and Reid, we told you not to pass it and you did anyway. It’s our money.”

And then we as a free country, voted all 3 back into power.

Shame on who?


55 posted on 09/25/2013 2:18:23 PM PDT by sanjuanbob
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56 posted on 09/25/2013 2:26:12 PM PDT by novemberslady
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To: Wanderer99

Sorry you are still missing the big picture... in fact you are yourself a bit overawed by hell. If you actually got true confessions from the devil... the devil would tell you that being the devil sucks. And the same goes for the vaunted delight of the evil.


57 posted on 09/25/2013 2:26:54 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Wanderer99

Let me be a little more specific in fact, if you are doubtful.

Heaven is based on love and God’s glory.

Hell is based on pride and vainglory.

Love is immensely durable and so is the glory that fills it.

Prides are so easily dinged. For every gloating pride the evil get they “pay for it” in dozens of narcissistic injuries that they have no metaphysical way of getting away from... because God did not build them to work that way.

Take courage and stand for the One and love and glorify Him. It will make all the difference in the world, in fact in eternity too.


58 posted on 09/25/2013 2:32:03 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

LOVE IT!!

(at which point they find it surprisingly easy... the cross already did the tough stuff)

And the “GUY” who rode it!!


59 posted on 09/25/2013 3:52:15 PM PDT by Lurk-know-more (The administration is causing the battle lines to be formed. Defend the US Constitution.)
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To: Kaslin

“Why would House Republicans abandon their current principled position and go ahead and fund Obamacare?”

Because only about 45 of them don’t want it, and Obama, Reid, and Pelosi all know that.


60 posted on 09/25/2013 3:56:08 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: ConservativeDude

“Why is not Boehner doing a Reid saying, “anything that funds obamacare is DOA?”

Because Boehner and about 3/4 of his caucus accept the principles behind Obamacare.

They object to some details, but repeal or defunding is not on their agenda. If they had the power (291 Members + 67 Senators) there’s not a chance they would repeal it.

If Obamacare is to go, the pro-repeal Members (those who would vote for it if it could actually pass and then override) need to split from the GOP. The only chance we have is to fight the election of 2014 on repeal, and the GOP can’t lead that fight because they don’t want to.


61 posted on 09/25/2013 4:04:02 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Jim Noble

Yeah, and who is to blame for that? I tell you who. Those voters who stayed home last November and that includes many freepers


62 posted on 09/25/2013 4:32:30 PM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

Stopping 0bamacare kinda IS the hill we need to die on.

This POS ‘law’ is the gateway to economic collapse.

Of course, those that REPRESENT us fail to see this.

And it’s All. By. Design. Comrades. ;)


63 posted on 09/25/2013 4:34:54 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: Jim Robinson

Didn’t Cantor say that the House defunding was just for show, because the fix is in on the reconciliation process? As long as the Senate votes for cloture the Senate and House versions will have to be reconciled, and the guy who would do that (Cantor) has said all the defunding stuff was just political cover and the intention has always been to get Obamacare in.

If that is the case, it seems to me that we need to be starting recall efforts against Cantor and Boehner just to let them know their time is DONE if they sell us down the river for a show.

And it seems to me that we need to be getting pledges from our Representatives, that they will not vote for ANY legislation that funds Obamacare - even a “reconciled” version. If amendments are not allowed to the reconciled version and it comes back with Obamacare funded, then our R’s have to buck the negotiations of the treasonous leadership and vote down the reconciled version. Before that happens they should be letting Boehner and Cantor know that they will be standing alone in support of any reconciled version that includes Obamacare funding.

How do we get these things to happen, very quickly?


64 posted on 09/25/2013 7:15:19 PM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: butterdezillion

That wasn’t very clear. The Representatives need to tell Boehner and Cantor that the House will not back them if them come back from negotiations with a version that funds Obamacare. If they sell the family jewels in the reconciliation process, the rank-and-file R’s in the House will embarrass the leadership by voting down the reconciled version. That’s what they need to let Boehner and Cantor know.

And if we the people started a recall effort against Cantor and Boehner it might help them take it seriously. Is that even possible?


65 posted on 09/25/2013 7:20:37 PM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: butterdezillion
If that is the case, it seems to me that we need to be starting recall efforts against Cantor and Boehner just to let them know their time is DONE if they sell us down the river for a show.

No go. There is no recall of a federal Congressman.

See the Constitution.

66 posted on 09/25/2013 7:28:19 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: butterdezillion

If true, sounds like Cantor is a traitor. Boehner too. The sooner they’re replaced the better. Doubt they can be kicked out though, short of an election.


67 posted on 09/25/2013 8:09:18 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: okie01

Dang.


68 posted on 09/25/2013 9:18:53 PM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: Jim Robinson

I’ve been looking for the stories so I can be clear on what the sourcing is. Here we go. Breitbart obtained a memo that Cantor sent out to all the House R’s, telling them the plan:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/09/10/Document-confirms-Eric-Cantor-s-faulty-Obamacare-defunding-ploy

Later Ted Cruz spoke out against this and was flamed by Pete Sessions. That was apparently when the GOP-e started really badly lashing out at Cruz, because he was pushing to have something REALLY defund Obamacare, and not just be a symbolic fig leaf for R’s:

http://www.redstate.com/2013/09/10/ted-cruz-opposes-eric-cantor-and-pete-sessions-hug-it-out-plan-to-fund-obamacare/

Sounds to me like Cantor and Boehner wanted Obamacare to be funded so they could blame it on the dems in 2014. And it sounds to me like Cruz and Lee are saying that Obamacare is such a train wreck that it’s too important to play politics with. It’s not about blame for political points in the future; it’s about stopping this thing right now, the only way we can.

The GOP-e’s don’t want the blame of shutting down the government and they want to be able to blame Obamacare on the dems. It’s not really about stopping Obamacare before it gets entrenched and destroys the economy fully. It’s about scoring political points for 2014.


69 posted on 09/25/2013 9:34:05 PM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: Kaslin

Now, more than ever, is when we need to show up in DC for a giant sit-in.


70 posted on 09/26/2013 4:46:46 AM PDT by snippy_about_it
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To: Jim Noble

I’m for that, and it’s long overdue!!! Split it up!!


71 posted on 09/26/2013 5:10:41 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: Soul of the South

They want to be on TV so badly that if they ever leave office they’ll put on a pair of red pants and embarrass themselves on DANCING WITH THE STARS.


72 posted on 09/26/2013 11:23:21 AM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: butterdezillion

If the republicans cave on this, then turn around and run for re-election because they “wanted” to defund obamacare, we should all laugh in their faces. Why in the hell would anyone trust them to do what they say they will do?


73 posted on 09/26/2013 11:34:22 AM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Kaslin

The columnist is on target correct. The Congressional Republicans need to do what is best for the country—which coincidentally is best for their party.

If they fail to act to stop Obamacare now, when they have the ability, they will be the ones held to account in the next election cycle for it.

Even if Obama threatens to shut down the government until the Kwanzaa season if the ACA isn’t funded, holding firm is the only way to handle this.

BTW, shutting down the government was by no means as traumatic as forecast in 1995, Clinton was brought to heel and the people did get real welfare reform, and the GOP won the 1996 congressional elections.


74 posted on 09/26/2013 6:09:17 PM PDT by I_Like_Spam
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