Skip to comments.Senate votes 100-0 to move ahead on debate over Obamacare
Posted on 09/25/2013 10:54:39 AM PDT by SeekAndFindEdited on 09/25/2013 11:03:36 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
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I think there should be a Monty Python clip of some sorts to explain the process:
“We have a vote to decide whether to vote on an issue requiring another vote to proceed and pass, or to vote on whether or not to vote for continuing debate, and then voting at some point in the future to have another vote on whether or not to vote on ending debate and voting to proceed and pass or voting to continue debate.”
eh, something like this.
I’m still trying to grasp how somebody could conceivably call this a GOP plot when the Vote was 100-0?
Boehner and Reid are in cahoots.
See Post #3
“...I have an uncomfortable feeling this whole thing was about maximum TV time for Cruz...”
Are you one of those low information voters?
No. What Cruz is doing has no chance of success but sure is getting him a lot of TV time. Plus, overnight he has become the darling of FR and other conservatives without actually accomplishing anything. He won’t be up for reelection for years but wants the House Republicans, who are up for reelection next year, to take the political heat for him. That sets off my antennae.
Cruz is fighting the cloture vote since after cloture, amendments can be added before a final vote. Reid has promised he would allow only one amendment: to re-instate funding of Obamacare.
The vote to end cloture takes 60 votes. The vote on the bill (with Reid's amendment) would be simple majority. The Republicans have the number to block cloture but not the bill vote; if they have the spine.
Very well explained
I can’t wait until the LA Slimes does the right thing and puts their few remaining full time employees on the exchange.
“GOP’s fizzling strategy” — no bias here. /sarcasm
This was not a GOP strategy. There's was just the same ol' same ol'. The hell with the GOP.
These are Tea Partiers!
Cruz 2016! Just wait and see.
...If we're still around.
The party of surrender.
we have to choose our battes in order to win the war....its all uphil...we're not going to get everything we want....but can we at least work for SOME of what we want?....we can't when the rats control the Senate and the White House, and the Sup. Court and the media...
Don't blame those that won't vote for a lib for your cheating GOP establishment that puts liberals up for election.
Just as Palin's motive was not to make money writing books.
Too many here are acting like Democrats who always hone in on demonizing motives rather than what a person actually says.
Don't fall into that trap.
>> I have an uncomfortable feeling this whole thing was about maximum TV time for Cruz and a possible Presidential run. From what I’m seeing here, it’s working.
Well, at least you’re uncomfortable. Go take a break on the can, and see if it passes.
>> What Cruz is doing has no chance of success but sure is getting him a lot of TV time.
And what if the vote for cloture didn’t reach the required majority which requires about 25% of Republican support?
You and a lot of establishment Republicans aren’t helping much with our limited “chance of success.”
Please help me. I keep hearing these RINO republicans, one on Hannity radio yesterday, saying that he would vote for cloture on Friday because he doesn’t want the GOP blamed for a govt shutdown. Explain to me the reality here.
If 25 % of republicans unite cloture doesn’t pass...then what happens? I fail to understand Cruz’s logic. How do we gain leverage? How do you force Harry Reid to put the original House Bill up for a vote? Do you specify that in he cloture vote, that voting for cloture is a vote to then vote on the original House bill?
If this is true....then why not block Reid. Let the govt shut down because Reid ad Obama would be shutting it down. The people want Obamacare defunded...then this is the way to do it.
Tell me where I am wrong here.
Ok... found my answer...
The Senate procedure is complicated but, in essence, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid will be attempting to stuff Democratic amendments into the continuing resolution that funds government without Obamacare. One of these amendments will call for restoring funding and Reid will move for cloture to end debate. If Republicans allow this, they are allowing the restoration of funding for Obamacare. Of course, leaders will pretend that they fought the good fight, but that the majority won out. Thats what passes for leadership these days.
Sen. Ted Cruz has been rallying support for his promise to do everything he can to block Obamacare. If McConnell can deliver the necessary 41 Republican votes, Sen. Cruz can filibuster the continuing resolution until Reid plays by the rules and allows for the 60-vote threshold necessary to pass the Houses resolution.
Yes, it’s complicated in the sense of maneuvers and details.
It’s my understanding that once cloture completes, Reid can essentially strip out the symbolic House Republican gestures. If cloture fails, the Democrats have the option to continue funding existing liabilities with the exception of Obamacare; however, the Democrats are threatening to halt all funding if cloture fails.
The process is tantamount to that of kidnapping where the hostage is inevitably killed off despite the possibility of the payoff.
Well, I’ve called my senators but they are Chuck Shumer and Kirstin Gillebrand - as hard core leftists are there are in the Senate.
Translation: I wasted my breath
So, Gene, do you see the strategy and effective or ineffective ie McConnell getting the necessary republican votes to block cloture?
I am still at a loss to understand how this will work ie if the republicans hang together and stop the cloture vote.
Then why did he filibuster the first vote instead?