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Russia Unveils ‘Terminator-2’ Tank Support Vehicle
Ria Novosti ^ | 25/09/2013

Posted on 09/25/2013 1:00:54 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

Russia Unveils ‘Terminator-2’ Tank Support Vehicle

NIZHNY TAGIL, September 25 (RIA Novosti) – Russia’s Uralvagonzavod defense manufacturer on Wednesday unveiled the BMPT-72 tank support fighting vehicle, dubbed the “Terminator-2,” at the Russia Arms Expo 2013 in Nizhny Tagil.

The BMPT-72 is an extensive modernization of the world-famous T-72 main battle tank, also produced by Uralvagonzavod. Compared with its predecessor – the BMPT – the BMPT-72 has an improved fire control system and better turret weapon station protection.

“The key advantage that the BMPT-72 gives to all the counties that operate T-72 tanks is that they can promptly and at minimal cost upgrade their armies to an ultra-modern level, and enhance capacity, mobility, protection and armament without purchasing new high-cost machines,” Uralvgonzavod said in press release prior to the Nizhny Tagil show.

The BMPT-72 is armed with two 30-mm cannons, two 30-mm grenade launchers, four launchers for 130-mm Ataka-T anti-tank guided missiles, a 7.62-mm machine gun, and two 81-mm smoke grenade launchers.

Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said Wednesday that the idea to build new heavily armed tank support vehicles emerged on the basis of experience acquired by the Russian military during the First Chechen War in North Caucasus, especially during the urban fighting in Grozny in 1995 when Russian troops lost a large number of combat vehicles to “guerrilla warfare” tactics used by Chechen separatists.

Rogozin, who oversees the Russian defense and space industries, said future versions of the BMPT would most likely be based on the platform of Russia’s highly anticipated new main battle tank: the Armata.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: bmpt; mbt; russia; tank

Terminator-2

© RIA Novosti. Sergey Mamontov

1 posted on 09/25/2013 1:00:55 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Does it have a plasma rifle in the 40-watt range mounted anywhere?


2 posted on 09/25/2013 1:02:12 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (21st century. I'm not a fan.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Is Uralvagonzavod basically the Chelyabinsk tank works that cranked out all the T-34s?


3 posted on 09/25/2013 1:03:20 PM PDT by henkster (democrats will sacrifice the lives of our servicemen so 0bama doesn't look bad.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

You need AT missiles to go after guerrillas?


4 posted on 09/25/2013 1:04:33 PM PDT by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Israelis were recycling surplus tanks to make “heavy” APC’s for decades now. Same idea here. Take obsolete T-72’s and turn them into MICV’s.

Big advantage - more survivable than a BMP. Big disadvantage - heavy, fuel consumption.


5 posted on 09/25/2013 1:05:00 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: AppyPappy

Yes. They are great for clearing buildings, bunkers, etc.
Dunno ‘bout the Russki’s but we also made themobaric versions for use against personnel.


6 posted on 09/25/2013 1:09:25 PM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: buwaya

And don’t forget that the T-72 is so cramped inside that all the crew members must be less than 5’6”.


7 posted on 09/25/2013 1:09:43 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (From time to time the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.)
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To: AppyPappy

Why not? The Israelis used a Hellfire AT missile on Ahmed Yassin’s wheelchair.


8 posted on 09/25/2013 1:09:43 PM PDT by edpc (Wilby 2016)
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To: ClearCase_guy

“..Does it have a plasma rifle in the 40-watt range mounted anywhere?..”

Hey buddy just what you see.........


9 posted on 09/25/2013 1:13:20 PM PDT by kimtom (USA ; Freedom is not Free)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Seems to me that with drone technology progressing as it has been, it’s not a great leap to imagine drone tanks.


10 posted on 09/25/2013 1:13:37 PM PDT by chrisser (Senseless legislation does nothing to solve senseless violence.)
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To: chrisser
"Seems to me that with drone technology progressing as it has been, it’s not a great leap to imagine drone tanks." Like these?  photo goliath_zps49d81c2b.jpg
11 posted on 09/25/2013 1:22:45 PM PDT by henkster (democrats will sacrifice the lives of our servicemen so 0bama doesn't look bad.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Putin is sure flexing his muscles.


12 posted on 09/25/2013 1:23:25 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: sukhoi-30mki
I'll see that and raise you this:

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13 posted on 09/25/2013 1:24:24 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Certainly looks like something from 1991.


14 posted on 09/25/2013 1:28:48 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
The BMPT-72 is an extensive modernization of the world-famous T-72 main battle tank

The only famous thing I can recall about the T-72 was how they were chopped up like mincemeat in both Iraq wars.

15 posted on 09/25/2013 1:31:04 PM PDT by Gideon7
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To: sukhoi-30mki

And an interesting camo scheme. Desert with some purple.


16 posted on 09/25/2013 1:31:47 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: SkyDancer

You see this on the LA freeway all the time ...


17 posted on 09/25/2013 1:34:21 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: henkster; HiJinx; ASA Vet; Progov; Seizethecarp; darkwing104; 2ndDivisionVet; LonePalm; ...

Nizhny Tagil and Chelyabinsk were the two big Soviet tank targets for our recon during the Cold War. Both sites would display the newest beasts of the Red Horde as soon as they rolled off the line.

We loved the game of guessing what they looked like under the tarps...


18 posted on 09/25/2013 1:35:39 PM PDT by Old Sarge (Opinions are like orgasms: only mine count, and I couldn't care less if you have one...)
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To: Gideon7

I don’t think the chassis was to blame for that.
Or even the purely mechanical engineering of the turret/weapons system.

Better leadership, better training, better ammunition and better fire control would have made even the basic T-72 dangerous. The defects of the Iraqi T-72’s were not things that turn up on simple spec sheets.


19 posted on 09/25/2013 1:36:32 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: henkster

>>>Is Uralvagonzavod basically the Chelyabinsk tank works that cranked out all the T-34s?<<<

Unrelated. These cities are some 200 miles apart.


20 posted on 09/25/2013 1:49:26 PM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: sukhoi-30mki

One machine gun, but two 30mms and two grenade launchers? Odd.


21 posted on 09/25/2013 1:49:28 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: sukhoi-30mki; big'ol_freeper
Re:

Been there... done that in Nam--

M50 Ontos

22 posted on 09/25/2013 1:54:07 PM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: henkster

Those are captured German “Goliath’s”.

Many were used on the D-Day invasion beaches, but most failed because the command cables were severed by the incredible artillery barrage.

In many places, German units removed the explosives, and used them as Combat Ammo carriers, instead of the mobile mine they were designed for.


23 posted on 09/25/2013 1:55:22 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: SkyDancer

Is that for real, and where did it come from?


24 posted on 09/25/2013 1:57:36 PM PDT by Husker24
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To: blueunicorn6

Twin 30s would burn up a lot of ammo on buildings. I think this is another “Be Everything” vehicle. Doesn’t carry dismounts, though.


25 posted on 09/25/2013 1:59:50 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Husker24

Dunno - putting two A-10’s together ??


26 posted on 09/25/2013 2:10:39 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral)
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To: SkyDancer

Russians are doing what we should do—designing more armored vehicles.


27 posted on 09/25/2013 2:37:32 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Old Sarge

>>>Nizhny Tagil and Chelyabinsk were the two big Soviet tank targets for our recon during the Cold War.<<<

I don’t think Chelyabisnsk has made any tanks after 1946.

In fact Russia has two major centers for tank-building: Nizhniy Taghil (UVZ company - a builder and developer of T-72) and Omsk (Omsktransmash company - a builder of a T-80 tank which is a radical update of T-64 left over in Ukraine along with a Harkiv tank plant).

It’s notable that T-72 was developed as a cheap unrelated alternative to a T-64 which has entered service in 1967 and never exported outside USSR. Originally, T-72 was made for Warsaw pact and 3rd World nations.

By late 1976 T-64 has developed into T-80 (as much over engineered and never exported as well), and T-72 evolved into a T-90 by earlier 1990s.

Both T-64 and T-80 were by all means a superb designs of it’s time but Soviet military has eyed an export model T-72 for it’s price and maintenance costs. They simply fond it unnecessary to have an over engineered superior tank in a WW III European theater with an estimated lifetime of minutes for any tank.

It made sense because as for 1987 a T-72 was priced at 340,000 to 420,000 rubles (with more or less advanced fire control and protection suites making the most difference) and T-80 has started from 830,000 and up to 1,150,000. A gas-turbine engine alone for T-80 was over 100,000 rubles comparing to 15,000 for a T-72 power plant.

AFAIK by late 2000s Omsktransmash is out of business completely with it’s price politics and their future tank R&D was bought by UVZ to simplify and incorporate some technologies into both T-90 and own future tank.


28 posted on 09/25/2013 2:52:20 PM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Unarmored gun mount?

"Hasta La Vista Baby!"

29 posted on 09/25/2013 2:52:51 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.))
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To: blueunicorn6

>>>Twin 30s would burn up a lot of ammo on buildings. I think this is another “Be Everything” vehicle. Doesn’t carry dismounts, though.<<<

In fact so-called Terminator or BMPT is not new. UVZ is marketing it for many years based on an experience of the First Chechen War there an entire armored brigade was trapped and destroyed by jihadis in a city. This one is specifically designed for urban environment to deal with threats like RPG-teams on high-rises etc.


30 posted on 09/25/2013 3:03:05 PM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: cunning_fish

That sounds like the development trail of the 2S9.

A 120mm gun on a BMD chassis, that could elevate past 50 degrees. The Soviets needed it in Afghanistan.


31 posted on 09/25/2013 3:56:44 PM PDT by Old Sarge (Opinions are like orgasms: only mine count, and I couldn't care less if you have one...)
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To: cunning_fish

Russians are building new wheeled IFV with 57 mm gun.


32 posted on 09/25/2013 4:53:15 PM PDT by kronos77 (Kosovo is Serbian Jerusalem. No Serbia without Kosovo.)
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To: Old Sarge

>>>That sounds like the development trail of the 2S9.

A 120mm gun on a BMD chassis, that could elevate past 50 degrees. The Soviets needed it in Afghanistan.<<<

Yes, but it is not the best solution for urban mission profile.
I think UVZ has to grant a few Terminators to Assad’s forces to evaluate.

Judging by youtube videos they have a perfect environment to prove if it’s concept worthy or not.


33 posted on 09/26/2013 12:32:13 AM PDT by cunning_fish
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