Bullied by the IRS

Washinton Times ^ | 9/26-2013 | Terry Dehko

[FiddlePig]

I’ve always paid my taxes and have never been arrested or charged with any crime in my life. I am a successful small-business man. But in January of this year, I woke up to find that my business’ entire bank account — more than $35,000 — had been wrongly seized.

Later that same day, I was writing checks to my vendors. A federal agent strolls in. She tells me my hard-earned cash was taken by the Internal Revenue Service (IRS). I was shocked. I’ve broken no law, committed no crime and was never warned my store could be in trouble. I asked her how I can keep managing my business when my account has been seized. She responded, “I don’t care.”

[FiddlePig]

In my observations of history, at least four things are required for the decent into tyranny, (master ”owner” class and serf class)… a direct tax (income tax) on the people, a nationalized “healthcare” system that can require how you eat, drink, drive and live your life (lest it be withheld), corruption of the electoral process and the disarming of the citizenry. In a "rusty" irony, what good are drug wars and RICO laws to fight gangsters, when the government agents charged with enforcing them are now even BIGGER gangsters? I would ask Lois Lerner, but she’d just take the Fifth.

In more “rusty” irony many of my ‘progressive” friends are rightly outraged by the power given to the government by the Patriot Act, yet the IRS has had the same (or more) power for decades. I call it “guilty till they pronounce you guilty”!

[Darteaus94025]

And this is different from Fascism how?

[LachlanMinnesota]

It would be nice to know the outcome of this as to what the IRS’s reasons were.

There always is.

[I want the USA back]

If there’s anybody alive in the USA who still thinks that we live in a constitutional republic with representative democracy, I have a bridge for you in NY.

The current administration is marxist. In their world view, all the means of production should be in the hands of the government. They bitterly resent that anyone can own a business and actually make a profit. They want the money.

When all the means of production are in the hands of the government, then we’re Cuba, Venezuela, the Soviet Union, and poor.

[Former Proud Canadian]

When a federal agency decides to target a group of people because of their political beliefs (the tea party) and then does so with impunity, all of your rights are forfeit. Welcome to America, 2013.

[Steve_Seattle]

If the facts are as he has presented them, this is an outrage. These IRS criminals must be arrested and punished. If I said what I REALLY think should be done to them, I’d probably have the FBI at my door.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”

― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago 1918-1956

[Texas Fossil]

I am very surprised to see this in the Washington Times.

Did it say the business owner was in Michigan?

[DCBryan1]

"I don't care"

Neither do I. Bang!

[MrB]

Henry Bowman, please pick up the white courtesy phone.

[Daveinyork]

Who regulates the regulators?

[KarlInOhio]

The whole concept of civil forfeiture should be eliminated. The proper procedure if the government believes that the money is the result of a crime is a criminal prosecution along with all of the protection of rights and requirement of proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Most often civil forfeiture can be summed up as "You have some money. Hand it over."

[The Duke]

There is one and only one response to this. That response is to harden yourself physically. I don't care how old you are or what your medical conditions are, you'd better start getting "tough as nails".

I don't know exactly what is coming down the pike, but I do know that it's going to require physical, mental and spiritual toughness.

Personally I've worked my way down to about 900 calories of food intake a day now, and gotten rid of all diet sodas and other garbage out of my diet. I'm either going to get tough of die trying. (And, yes, I know that I'll have to increase the calories one of these days .. but today is not that day).

[Domandred]

Reading the article the IRS could seize pretty much ANY retail small business’s accounts under suspicion of avoiding reporting. ALL of them I know make small, less than $10,000 deposits daily, some multiple times a day. Heck doesn’t even have to be small business.

I guarantee McDonald’s and pretty much all other corporate chain fast food makes multiple small cash deposits daily. IRS could seize McDonald’s using this tactic.

Absolute rogue agency

[GraceG]

Time to start going “Cash Only” wait businesses cannot do that as having “too much cash” can be seen as a FEDERAL violation of DRUG LAWS....

They have really got the law abiding OVER A BARREL don’t they?

Meanwhile criminals in DC and outside of DC are getting sweetheart deals and amnesty....

[Cicero]

There probably isn’t a newspaper in Michigan that would print this story. The Washington Times remains one of the few who are willing to cross the liberal establishment.

I believe what he says. If were a shopkeeper with a bank across the street, I’d bring most of the cash over every day, and perhaps several times a day. Especially in Michigan, where the criminals run loose. And as he says, if he is robbed of more than $10,000, his insurance doesn’t cover it.

[VRW Conspirator]

1) The IRS is first and foremost a collection agency.

2) The is a collar around the IRS and there is a chain fixed to that collar. The other end of that chain is at the feet of the US Congress.

[GraceG]

And this is different from Fascism how?

The next time a Liberal says that requiring Voter ID as “Papers Please” in a German accent I am going to F&*^*%ing PUKE right on their shoes.

We already have a “Papers Please” situation when it comes to LAW ABIDING CITIZENS being harassed by government officials...

[high info voter]

You can thank congress. In 1913 they sold out your a&& and everyone else’s a&& to a foreign banking cartel called the federal reserve. They’ve owned you, me, and the government ever sinse.

[Harmless Teddy Bear]

It would be nice to know the outcome of this as to what the IRS’s reasons were.

If you make numerous cash deposits under $10,000.00 they decide that the reason you are doing it that way is to prevent the IRS from being notified that you are making cash deposits.

In other words they "divine" that you must be doing it with ill intent.

However if you are a busy small business which takes in a lot of cash you usually are doing these deposits so you don t get robbed. It is a sensible thing to do.

When I worked in a gas station one of the things you did when you closed out your register was hand the cash to the manager who took it promptly to the bank.

While we were occasionally robbed by the small time guys, who got a few hundred dollars, the big guys, who blew safes and got away with tens of thousands of dollars did not bother us. It was not worth their time.

[BluH2o]

I am very surprised to see this in the Washington Times.

The Washington Times is reasonably moderate in terms of left wing bias ... had this article appeared in the ultra liberal, Obama loving Washington Post that would indeed be a surprise.

[RetiredArmy]

Welcome to the Soviet States of Amerika. Our communist/terrorist loving muzzie Commissar leads. This is what the Republic has become. Good luck folks. If you do not know the only way out of this mess, THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, I would sincerely suggest you pick up a copy of the Holy Bible, or you may actually have one in a drawer or collecting dust on a shelf some where, and get into it. Start in the Book of John. Read Romans and The Acts, the move on into the Corinthians, Timothy, etc. Do not fail to read Ezekiel, Daniel, and Revelation. Folks, time draws short. VERY short before the return of our Lord. Don’t be left behind. You don’t want to be under Antichrist. He’ll make Obama, Hitler, Stalin, Pal Pot, etc. look like school boys.

[Little Ray]

Forfeiture of assets should only come AFTER their owner is convicted!

[A. Morgan]

http://www.kentucky.com/2013/09/25/2842428/michigan-store-owner-sues-feds.html

[A. Morgan]

http://www.freep.com/article/20130925/NEWS04/309250158/Fraser-IRS-lawsuit-forfeiture

[dinodino]

I know someone to whom this happened. He spent A LOT of money defending himself through the audit, and at the end, he was found to have no fault. The experience soured him so much he sold the business and got out.

[I want the USA back]

So let me get this straight. If you deposit 10,000, that is reported to the gov. If you deposit less than 10,000, they assume that you are trying to avoid the reporting. But the small deposits are reported to the gov, but we’re not supposed to know that, and so they assume we are trying to avoid the reporting. Also we’re not supposed to know that the 10,000 is now 5,000.

So when we deposit the day’s receipts to avoid theft from criminals that the government encourages by keeping us from having a firearm to defend ourselves from the theft we are accused of trying to hide money.

We deposit the money as it comes in and the government just waltzes in and takes it.

The USA is Venezuela. Only our president has a lower IQ.

Question for IRS (NSA, please forward)
What do you do about the criminals who don’t deposit the money they get illegally?

[JLS]

Well I wonder how many Dims this guy voted for over the years? If you want to stop this kind of thing you need to:

1. not vote for Dims.

2. not vote for GOP types who are big on the war on drugs.

[The Duke]

I have saved your Bible recommendations and will begin doing just that. :)

[fungoking]

She responded, “I don’t care.”

She was just channeling her inner Tommy Lee Jones in the Fugitive.

[Whenifhow]

FYI
Fraser, Mich. - Macomb County

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/26/dehko-bullied-by-the-irs/

http://www.freep.com/article/20130925/NEWS04/309250158/Fraser-IRS-lawsuit-forfeiture

[grumpygresh]

What a joke. So if a legitimate business takes in a lot of cash they shouldn’t put it into their bank business account to avoid money laundering charges?
I know that the fascists want businesses to avoid cash, but this is just going to lead to under-reporting.
Anyone know if bit-coins would help in this situation?

[ExTxMarine]

The current administration is marxist. In their world view, all the means of production should be in the hands of the government. They bitterly resent that anyone can own a business and actually make a profit. They want the money.

Did you hear Bill Clinton earlier this week at his international money laundering organization (Clinton Initiative Foundation (I think))?

He actually asked, how anyone could explain people making a profit out of healthcare? I mean, we need gas, and the Dems think the gas companies should do it for free (right now the US government makes more money per gallon than the manufacturer). We need homes, but the Dems think that this should be provided by the government (at a profit for THEM). We need so many things, and the Dems think all of these should be free or provided through the government.

Democrats ARE Socialists and Marxists, NOT just our current administration! ALL DEMOCRATS ARE SOCIALISTS AT HEART! I just think that most of them don't even KNOW they are! PERIOD!!!

[GeronL]

um... well... There is probably some difference somewhere... deep down...

[cripplecreek]

Federal mobsters



Michigan legislative action thread

[masadaman]

Thanks for posting from the Gulag. We take freedom for granted. We have been warned by the Soviet experience of 70 years and 200+ years before by Jefferson, Madison and Adams.

Consider the new 100 dollar bills. In a nanosecond without Congress (not that they even matter any more), the 'new currency' becomes by fiat the only currency, the only legal tender, forcing the bad guys - black marketeers and drug dealers - to leave billions on the table, but also attacks any citizen who kept cash for any conceivable emergency. In the ensuing chaos, banks won't be able to offer 'conversion' without serious questions by them and their Treasury, Fed and IRS masters. No need for ATMs when you must use a government monitored credit card for all your needs and which will track the source of all you deposit.

[diogenes ghost]

Does ANYBODY pay attention?

Fer crissakes, civil forfeiture has been used for DECADES. It is one of the biggest weapons in the 'war on drugs', but like most big weapons it causes lots of collateral damage, like Mr Shott.

The Kansas City Star ran a six part series on it back in the 90's...very scary stuff...nobody cared then, nobody cares now.

[Texas Fossil]

My mistake, I should have realized that.

The Washington Compost was what I was thinking.

Thanks for reality check.

[Travis McGee]

[RetSignman]

So let me get this straight. If you deposit 10,000, that is reported to the gov. If you deposit less than 10,000, they assume that you are trying to avoid the reporting. But the small deposits are reported to the gov...

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It goes a lot deeper than that...ANY deviation from your normal banking habits are looked on as suspicious and are flagged for ‘tracking’.

[PieterCasparzen]

The current administration is marxist. In their world view, all the means of production should be in the hands of the government. They bitterly resent that anyone can own a business and actually make a profit. They want the money.

When all the means of production are in the hands of the government, then we’re Cuba, Venezuela, the Soviet Union, and poor.

Marxism presents that fake front, that "means of production is in the hands of the government".

In fact, all communist governments have always required FINANCING.

This financing is always provided by the major international banks.

Communist and other totalitarian governments are always a proxy slave-master that maintains the slavery grip on "the masses" on behalf of wealthy elites.

The idea of the communist government having no financiers behind it is a mirage.

[RetSignman]

...to leave billions on the table, but also attacks any citizen who kept cash for any conceivable emergency.

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IF that becomes a law, there is a solution, although time consuming, over time take your old 100 dollar bills to buy small item merchandise all over town, return the balance back to your ‘mattress’ until you no more 100’s.

THEN when you NEED to make bank deposits to your bank, there are no ‘red flags’.

Of course if you think this will become a law, one has to start now before merchants are ordered not to accept your old 100’s.

[Sergio]

bkmk

[maine-iac7]

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/28-12-2012/123335-americans_guns-0/

Pravda - a year ago

“Americans never give up your guns...”

[Valpal1]

They do it because they get to keep the seized money. Generally speaking, it will get divvied up between the prosecutor’s office and the reporting agency office and added to their operating budget. Individual agents may also get a bonus or it is used to bump their employment record and qualify them for higher ratings (= higher pay).

Somebody at the bank (a teller or manager) also reported them and received a “reward” for doing so.

This is happening to small businesses all over the US that receive significant cash payments that must be deposited frequently.

You can thank our dimwitted Congress and the War On Drugs for this unconstitutional institutionalized theft.

[tacticalogic]

They should have shot Wickard, and sent Philburn to Congress.

[tbw2]

I don’t know if bit coins would help much, since they are becoming darn near illegal.
The IRS’ defense is to tell everyone to stop using cash and rely on debit and credit cards instead of so much cash.

[Pollster1]

The NSA now has this in your file. If SWAT raids your home by mistake, they will quote you in their justification.

[holden]

Just as with NSA, all the data are kept in perpetuity, so even if the gubmint only in the future decides to track something “unforeseen” about you (for your trial, intimidation or questioning), they can dredge up the full original source data. So these arbitrary, (e.g., $10k) boundaries are merely the current whimsy, announced only in attempts to affect our behaviors, cowing us into submissive postures.

HF

[deputytess]

No one: that’s the problem.