Skip to comments.Senate Democrat Joe Manchin breaks with White House on Obamacare delay
Posted on 09/26/2013 11:08:23 AM PDT by MaelstormEdited on 09/26/2013 11:48:26 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
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Delay is not defunding but it’s better than nothing.
Now if Manchin’s constituents could get him on board with voting NO on Cloture, that would be really significant.
And if Manchin is pressured to delay or defund, dem senators can be brought on board as well.
Need only 41 Senators to vote NO on Cloture. Mike Lee says he knows of 15 confirmed. That leaves 26 to go.
Call or Fax your Senators today!!!
Bull, this was the plan all along.
File an amendment to do it now Joe.
File it today in time for the cloture vote.
“Behind closed doors in the Capitol, House Republican leaders laid out their demands for a debt-ceiling increase to the Republican rank and file.
They include a one-year delay of the presidents health care law...”
Kabuki theater indeed...
I sense a crack emerging in the “United Democratic Front Against Common Sense”
I’ll believe it when I see it.
Delay? No way!
If they can’t kill it, it’s better to have ObamaCare ASAP. That way, a lot of people will get screwed, and they will take their anger out on Obama and the Democrats next November.
If ObamaCare is delayed a year, the general public won’t get hammered until AFTER the election. It will be a win for the Democrats.
The question now is if McCain, McConnell and Cornyn will go along with even this small step. If they join Manchin, then it has a realistic chance of passage.
Absolutely wrong. The Federal parasite class will continue to implement this monstrosity no matter the so called delay.
Let everyone see this monster for what it is -- let everyone see the iron fist of government.
The left is laughing at us -- this delay is a ploy by left to fool us. Anyone with half a brain knows that Obama's intention is to have the "one year delay" to seem reasonable, all the while knowing the bureaucracy, the sycophant media and leftist organizations will continue to push for greater control over everything..
Then when the inevitable Obamacare failure occurs, Obama and the media will come back and say, see, if the Republicans didn't delay the program and put so many roadblocks in the way, it would have worked."
Then single payer will the pushed as the only way to "save" healthcare. Just in time for Hillary in 2016.
See my post #9. I think the chief scribe for the surrender monkey caucus has just relayed his bosses instructions to the mushy middle. Let’s see if McCain and McConnell get on board.
It would be a win for democrats anyway. Any bad economic news has been and will continue to be blamed on Bush and/or any republicans holding a seat in Congress (majority or not). McCain will agree with the narrative and John Boehner will not dispute the blame.
Agreed! A one year delay will also give Dems cover in the 2014 election avoiding the results of the train wreck.
Aren’t we playing into the DemRats hands by delaying full implementation until after the 2014 elections?
Many will say a delay is a surrender, but I have a parable:
A man is sentenced to be executed by a crooked King. The man convinces the King to give him a year to teach a pig how to speak, and the King agrees. A friend of the man asks, “Why would you promise such a thing?!?” The man replies, “I will probably be executed next year, but between now and then, events could intervene on my behalf. The King may have a change of heart. The pig may actually speak. The King could die. But I have zero chance of any mercy if I just go to the gallows today.”
I say it would make it worse for the Rats, because the delay would expire right before the election.
Democrats can hear the electorate more clearly than the RINOs.
Manchin is concerned about his political life. WV is turning red because of EPA and Obamacare.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he flipped parties.
Delay is the best of both worlds. We need a fearful electorate to get us a solid majority in the Senate and strengthen our hand in the House.
Suspend it, now and we’ll end it later, folks.
Vote conservative. Vote liberty.
That's not a bad strategy.
Once its implemented, no matter how bad, it's in. Delay in implementation for a year will increase the chances of stopping if we get the House and Senate.
If he demands it now and votes against cloture without a delay amendment now, I’d risk it.
I hope the Dems block a delay from passing but apparently even they wouldn’t be that stupid. a delay is the fallback position of both Party’s establishment after all.
Otherwise no go- defund or surrender.
“now”: the bill before the Senate now.
I think a one year delay is an excellent fall back tactic. I’d prefer a 9 month delay, so the impact hits right at election time, but I’ll go with a one year delay hitting next October.
I also believe this is directly due to the efforts of Sen. Ted Cruz.
You have a good point and I agree that defund is much more preferable to delay.
But if this West Virginia Democrat Senator is moved by his constituents to buck the party line over Obamacare, then I think more democrat Senators will want to do likewise. If their constituents can urge them to vote no on Cloture, then we can have defund with striking distance. If they go with delay, then at least the House will be motivated to stand firm on defunding because the Senate is softening.
I think the Senate effort by Ted is running out of time but a lot can happen within 48 hours.
However, Plan B is as Ted said that a Senate CR goes back to the House with an Obamacare funding amendment and the House needs to take it out and defund Obamacare again. They need to stand firm.
We could go a few cycles of this. In the meantime, people keep calling their Senators and if we soften up enough dems for defund or delay, we may be able to deny a cloture in the Senate the next time around or the third time around.
As Ted said, the Cloture vote is the most important Senate vote this year. Denying Cloture in the Senate means they must defund Obamacare or they will be responsible for shutting down government.
The senate and president would have to agree to delay. Good luck with that.
If the house doesn’t fund it, it doesn’t get funded. Period. And there’s nothing Obama/Reid can do about it but whine and threaten. That’s the constitutional and straight forward way to get it done. It’s the tool provided by our Founding Fathers to rein in an out of control chief executive and senate. We need to urge, er, demand that our representatives use it. You can bet that Reid uses all the constitutional tools at his disposal against us. Even some that are not constitutional. Way past time for our reps to fight back.
Not a good deal for the GOP. In this scenario, Obamacare gets funded, the net cost balloons due to this shortfall in coerced revenue, and the Obama team gets another full year to sort out their mess, cover things up, get their story straight, etc. in the run-up to 2014.
If the GOP is serious, then winning commanding majorities in both houses in the 2014 elections needs to be the primary concern. In 2012 it failed to stand against Obamacare by its nomination of Romney, and failed to get the support of much of its own base - a group more than large enough to have swung the election the other way - as a direct result.
The strategy that will win majorities is rolling back the tide of absurd, nonsensical, expensive, and oppressive federal legislation, of which Obamacare is the archetype. Kicking the can to fix what cannot be fixed, that is not a winning strategy. Standing idle while the consequences rain down on the country is not a winning strategy either.
It’s fight Obamacare to the last, or go home time for the GOP.
Tomorrow or Saturday, when a cloture vote is taking place in the US Senate, we'll see how far Manchin breaks with Reid and the White House. I suspect his vote will be YEA in lockstep with Durbin, Coons, Schumer, Mikulski, Warren, Murray, Hagan, etc.
Obama lost West Virginia. Obama is destroying the coal indsutry the states leading resource...Manchin is screwed politically if he continues to support the man who is workingn to destroy his state.
May the numbers increase!
~ Saul Alinsky, Rules for Radicals
I prefer repeal first, defund second, but will take delay.
Why: it gives us time to fight and slowly play out the horror show that it is. Drip, drip, drip. If mcconnellcare is implemented, it’s a nation destroyer. I’m not ready for that.
Delay it till hell freezes over.
When they passed this boondoggle, they delayed it for 3 years. I think the house should hold out for another 3 year delay.
when someone who is not retiring and up for reelection joins in then we have something newsworthy.
One “sanctioned” senator defection is ok in order to give him cover.
He never had it.
I agree. 3 year delay would be awesome.
And then another 3.
I see that his approval numbers are way down from 2012 too. Bears good news for us in 2014 there with the open Senate seat.
I wish Manchin would switch parties already
If the GOP had stuck with Cruz, I would say at least 10-15 Dems would have gone with them to vote against funding Bambicare. That is, in theory, they would have been voting for the funding, but basically they would have gotten Obamacare off their backs. Dem constituents don’t like it anymore than GOPers.
A delay does not prevent the eventual victory of an effort to defund. It does buy time, though, to make that happen.
The House, since it’s a constitutional power, can ALWAYS vote to defund. With implementation scheduled for Tuesday at 0001 hours, a delay is not a bad thing.
We must keep our eyes on the prize: REPEAL.
First best is Repeal
2nd best is defund
3rd best is delay
4th best is stripping provisions of the bill
Implementation is a LOSS. That’s what we’ve been fighting to prevent. A delay is a temporary prevention of implementation.
I agree that delay will help. Also, we talk as if “they” were going to suffer from Obamacare. Well, we’ll all suffer. Is that what anybody here wants?
I went on his Facebook page and left him several messages!!!
It is not Cruzmentum.
Fact is Manchin is on the NRSC target list and Congresswoman Capito is a high quality candidate that will challenge him.
Manchin is safe until 2018. He just doesn’t like getting phonecalls that don’t backslap him.
This is another positive of the Cruz talk. Any tiny concession Obama or the Democrats make on Obamacare this week will appear like they caved to Cruz.
You are right. It is Jay Rockerfellar who is retiring and Capito is running for the open seat.
Close, but I think this is the same theater as when Obamacare passed the House. Manchin will vote against cloture only after the cloture motion succeeds (do you really think 41 Republican senators will vote against cloture?). That way he can proudly show himself to be a conservative. If he needs to be the 60th vote for cloture, he will vote for cloture. Watch WHEN Manchin votes - if it is late in the vote, that means that he was standing next to Harry Reid until the issue was no longer in doubt.
This is what happened in the House on the original Obamacare vote - the "Blue Dog" (lap dog) Demoncrats waited until the end of the vote before Pelosi allowed them to vote no.
Agreed, if they actually leave that provision in. But they won’t. You can bank on it. The best we get is a one year delay in implementation.