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Senate Democrat Joe Manchin breaks with White House on Obamacare delay
http://www.washingtontimes.com ^ | September 26, 2013, 11:47AM | By Seth McLaughlin

Posted on 09/26/2013 11:08:23 AM PDT by Maelstorm

Edited on 09/26/2013 11:48:26 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]


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Cruzmentum!
1 posted on 09/26/2013 11:08:23 AM PDT by Maelstorm
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To: Maelstorm

Boom!


2 posted on 09/26/2013 11:09:32 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: Maelstorm

Delay is not defunding but it’s better than nothing.

Now if Manchin’s constituents could get him on board with voting NO on Cloture, that would be really significant.

And if Manchin is pressured to delay or defund, dem senators can be brought on board as well.

Need only 41 Senators to vote NO on Cloture. Mike Lee says he knows of 15 confirmed. That leaves 26 to go.

Call or Fax your Senators today!!!


3 posted on 09/26/2013 11:12:38 AM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: Maelstorm

Bull, this was the plan all along.

File an amendment to do it now Joe.
File it today in time for the cloture vote.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/27/us/politics/house-gop-leaders-list-conditions-for-raising-debt-ceiling.html?hp
“Behind closed doors in the Capitol, House Republican leaders laid out their demands for a debt-ceiling increase to the Republican rank and file.
They include a one-year delay of the president’s health care law...”

Kabuki theater indeed...


4 posted on 09/26/2013 11:14:01 AM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: Maelstorm

I sense a crack emerging in the “United Democratic Front Against Common Sense”

THANK YOU!


5 posted on 09/26/2013 11:14:15 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( Un-Documented Journalist / Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team)
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To: Maelstorm

I’ll believe it when I see it.


6 posted on 09/26/2013 11:16:12 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Maelstorm
Thursday September 26, 2013:

Joe Manchin sees drop in approval rating in latest poll

7 posted on 09/26/2013 11:19:12 AM PDT by 11th_VA (I want a president who won't enforce tax laws ...)
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To: Maelstorm

Delay? No way!

If they can’t kill it, it’s better to have ObamaCare ASAP. That way, a lot of people will get screwed, and they will take their anger out on Obama and the Democrats next November.

If ObamaCare is delayed a year, the general public won’t get hammered until AFTER the election. It will be a win for the Democrats.


8 posted on 09/26/2013 11:19:32 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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To: Hostage
George Will actually came out with this suggestion in this morning's editorial page. Will, of course, is the token conservative for the Washington Post and New York Times. He is also chief scribe for the surrender monkey caucus.

The question now is if McCain, McConnell and Cornyn will go along with even this small step. If they join Manchin, then it has a realistic chance of passage.

9 posted on 09/26/2013 11:23:57 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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#StandWithCruz , #MakeDCListen &
#DefundObamacare


Call and email ALL Senators
of the 113th Congress (contact info here)


Tell them to stand with PATRIOT Senator Cruz and his effort to defund Obamacare, no excuses!!!

http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/

10 posted on 09/26/2013 11:24:21 AM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: Hostage
Delay is not defunding but it’s better than nothing.

Absolutely wrong. The Federal parasite class will continue to implement this monstrosity no matter the so called delay.

Let everyone see this monster for what it is -- let everyone see the iron fist of government.

The left is laughing at us -- this delay is a ploy by left to fool us. Anyone with half a brain knows that Obama's intention is to have the "one year delay" to seem reasonable, all the while knowing the bureaucracy, the sycophant media and leftist organizations will continue to push for greater control over everything..

Then when the inevitable Obamacare failure occurs, Obama and the media will come back and say, see, if the Republicans didn't delay the program and put so many roadblocks in the way, it would have worked."

Then single payer will the pushed as the only way to "save" healthcare. Just in time for Hillary in 2016.

11 posted on 09/26/2013 11:25:02 AM PDT by sand88
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To: Cowboy Bob

See my post #9. I think the chief scribe for the surrender monkey caucus has just relayed his bosses instructions to the mushy middle. Let’s see if McCain and McConnell get on board.


12 posted on 09/26/2013 11:26:14 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Cowboy Bob
If ObamaCare is delayed a year, the general public won’t get hammered until AFTER the election. It will be a win for the Democrats

It would be a win for democrats anyway. Any bad economic news has been and will continue to be blamed on Bush and/or any republicans holding a seat in Congress (majority or not). McCain will agree with the narrative and John Boehner will not dispute the blame.

13 posted on 09/26/2013 11:28:56 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: sand88

Agreed! A one year delay will also give Dems cover in the 2014 election avoiding the results of the train wreck.


14 posted on 09/26/2013 11:29:35 AM PDT by usual suspect
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To: Maelstorm

Question:

Aren’t we playing into the DemRats hands by delaying full implementation until after the 2014 elections?


15 posted on 09/26/2013 11:29:51 AM PDT by Arthurio
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To: Maelstorm

Many will say a delay is a surrender, but I have a parable:

A man is sentenced to be executed by a crooked King. The man convinces the King to give him a year to teach a pig how to speak, and the King agrees. A friend of the man asks, “Why would you promise such a thing?!?” The man replies, “I will probably be executed next year, but between now and then, events could intervene on my behalf. The King may have a change of heart. The pig may actually speak. The King could die. But I have zero chance of any mercy if I just go to the gallows today.”


16 posted on 09/26/2013 11:36:36 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It's hard to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what you wanted to hear.)
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To: usual suspect
Agreed! A one year delay will also give Dems cover in the 2014 election avoiding the results of the train wreck.

I say it would make it worse for the Rats, because the delay would expire right before the election.

17 posted on 09/26/2013 11:37:41 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It's hard to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what you wanted to hear.)
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To: Maelstorm

Democrats can hear the electorate more clearly than the RINOs.


18 posted on 09/26/2013 11:40:33 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Ted Cruz for President!)
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To: Maelstorm

Manchin is concerned about his political life. WV is turning red because of EPA and Obamacare.

I wouldn’t be surprised if he flipped parties.


19 posted on 09/26/2013 11:41:17 AM PDT by chopperman
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To: Hostage; Jim Robinson

Delay is the best of both worlds. We need a fearful electorate to get us a solid majority in the Senate and strengthen our hand in the House.

Suspend it, now and we’ll end it later, folks.

Vote conservative. Vote liberty.


20 posted on 09/26/2013 11:52:40 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Vigilanteman
preservation of the ACA requirement that members of Congress and their staffs experience the full enjoyment of the ACA without special ameliorating subsidies and a one-year delay of the ACA's individual mandate

That's not a bad strategy.

21 posted on 09/26/2013 11:56:12 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: usual suspect
“A one year delay will also give Dems cover in the 2014 election avoiding the results of the train wreck.”

Once its implemented, no matter how bad, it's in. Delay in implementation for a year will increase the chances of stopping if we get the House and Senate.

22 posted on 09/26/2013 11:57:40 AM PDT by Rennes Templar (Seen any scandal headlines lately?)
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To: 1010RD

If he demands it now and votes against cloture without a delay amendment now, I’d risk it.

I hope the Dems block a delay from passing but apparently even they wouldn’t be that stupid. a delay is the fallback position of both Party’s establishment after all.

Otherwise no go- defund or surrender.


24 posted on 09/26/2013 12:04:40 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: mrsmith

“now”: the bill before the Senate now.


25 posted on 09/26/2013 12:06:01 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: Maelstorm

26 posted on 09/26/2013 12:06:58 PM PDT by Grampa Dave ( When insane/feral Islamics are killing each other, stand back and let Allah sort them out!)
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To: mrsmith

27 posted on 09/26/2013 12:10:19 PM PDT by Old Sarge (Opinions are like orgasms: only mine count, and I couldn't care less if you have one...)
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To: Maelstorm; P-Marlowe; Jim Robinson

I think a one year delay is an excellent fall back tactic. I’d prefer a 9 month delay, so the impact hits right at election time, but I’ll go with a one year delay hitting next October.

I also believe this is directly due to the efforts of Sen. Ted Cruz.

He led.

Others cowered.


28 posted on 09/26/2013 12:13:09 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: sand88

You have a good point and I agree that defund is much more preferable to delay.

But if this West Virginia Democrat Senator is moved by his constituents to buck the party line over Obamacare, then I think more democrat Senators will want to do likewise. If their constituents can urge them to vote no on Cloture, then we can have defund with striking distance. If they go with delay, then at least the House will be motivated to stand firm on defunding because the Senate is softening.

I think the Senate effort by Ted is running out of time but a lot can happen within 48 hours.

However, Plan B is as Ted said that a Senate CR goes back to the House with an Obamacare funding amendment and the House needs to take it out and defund Obamacare again. They need to stand firm.

We could go a few cycles of this. In the meantime, people keep calling their Senators and if we soften up enough dems for defund or delay, we may be able to deny a cloture in the Senate the next time around or the third time around.

As Ted said, the Cloture vote is the most important Senate vote this year. Denying Cloture in the Senate means they must defund Obamacare or they will be responsible for shutting down government.


29 posted on 09/26/2013 12:17:48 PM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: 1010RD

The senate and president would have to agree to delay. Good luck with that.

If the house doesn’t fund it, it doesn’t get funded. Period. And there’s nothing Obama/Reid can do about it but whine and threaten. That’s the constitutional and straight forward way to get it done. It’s the tool provided by our Founding Fathers to rein in an out of control chief executive and senate. We need to urge, er, demand that our representatives use it. You can bet that Reid uses all the constitutional tools at his disposal against us. Even some that are not constitutional. Way past time for our reps to fight back.


30 posted on 09/26/2013 12:19:02 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Maelstorm

Not a good deal for the GOP. In this scenario, Obamacare gets funded, the net cost balloons due to this shortfall in coerced revenue, and the Obama team gets another full year to sort out their mess, cover things up, get their story straight, etc. in the run-up to 2014.

If the GOP is serious, then winning commanding majorities in both houses in the 2014 elections needs to be the primary concern. In 2012 it failed to stand against Obamacare by its nomination of Romney, and failed to get the support of much of its own base - a group more than large enough to have swung the election the other way - as a direct result.

The strategy that will win majorities is rolling back the tide of absurd, nonsensical, expensive, and oppressive federal legislation, of which Obamacare is the archetype. Kicking the can to fix what cannot be fixed, that is not a winning strategy. Standing idle while the consequences rain down on the country is not a winning strategy either.

It’s fight Obamacare to the last, or go home time for the GOP.


31 posted on 09/26/2013 12:20:41 PM PDT by thoughtomator 2.0
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To: Maelstorm
Joe Manchin is not breaking with the White House on anything. He is simply trying to BS the voters of West Virginia into believing he is a conservative. If Page One of the Obamacare bill provided for federal funding of abortion, a complete takeover of the entire US healthcare system, and set up death panels, and the Democrats were one vote short of passing it with Manchin still left to vote, then the West Virginia Senator would vote in favor, and every media outlet in America would be praising him for his courageous stand.

Tomorrow or Saturday, when a cloture vote is taking place in the US Senate, we'll see how far Manchin breaks with Reid and the White House. I suspect his vote will be YEA in lockstep with Durbin, Coons, Schumer, Mikulski, Warren, Murray, Hagan, etc.

32 posted on 09/26/2013 12:23:12 PM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
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To: Maelstorm

Obama lost West Virginia. Obama is destroying the coal indsutry the states leading resource...Manchin is screwed politically if he continues to support the man who is workingn to destroy his state.
May the numbers increase!
Freegards
LEX


33 posted on 09/26/2013 12:24:01 PM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: sand88
* RULE 8: “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.” Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new. (Attack, attack, attack from all sides, never giving the reeling organization a chance to rest, regroup, recover and re-strategize.)

~ Saul Alinsky, Rules for Radicals

34 posted on 09/26/2013 12:28:09 PM PDT by Old Sarge (Opinions are like orgasms: only mine count, and I couldn't care less if you have one...)
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To: Maelstorm

I prefer repeal first, defund second, but will take delay.

Why: it gives us time to fight and slowly play out the horror show that it is. Drip, drip, drip. If mcconnellcare is implemented, it’s a nation destroyer. I’m not ready for that.

Delay it till hell freezes over.


35 posted on 09/26/2013 12:42:01 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: xzins

When they passed this boondoggle, they delayed it for 3 years. I think the house should hold out for another 3 year delay.


36 posted on 09/26/2013 1:11:33 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: Maelstorm

when someone who is not retiring and up for reelection joins in then we have something newsworthy.

One “sanctioned” senator defection is ok in order to give him cover.


37 posted on 09/26/2013 1:25:26 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: lexington minuteman 1775
Obama lost West Virginia.

He never had it.

38 posted on 09/26/2013 1:42:31 PM PDT by Roccus (POLITICIAN-a four letter word spelled with ten. Dealing with politicians IS the war on terror)
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To: P-Marlowe

I agree. 3 year delay would be awesome.

And then another 3.

:>)


39 posted on 09/26/2013 1:53:51 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Maelstorm

I see that his approval numbers are way down from 2012 too. Bears good news for us in 2014 there with the open Senate seat.

I wish Manchin would switch parties already


40 posted on 09/26/2013 2:14:44 PM PDT by CountryClassSF
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To: Hostage

If the GOP had stuck with Cruz, I would say at least 10-15 Dems would have gone with them to vote against funding Bambicare. That is, in theory, they would have been voting for the funding, but basically they would have gotten Obamacare off their backs. Dem constituents don’t like it anymore than GOPers.


41 posted on 09/26/2013 2:24:51 PM PDT by livius
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To: Jim Robinson

A delay does not prevent the eventual victory of an effort to defund. It does buy time, though, to make that happen.

The House, since it’s a constitutional power, can ALWAYS vote to defund. With implementation scheduled for Tuesday at 0001 hours, a delay is not a bad thing.

We must keep our eyes on the prize: REPEAL.

First best is Repeal
2nd best is defund
3rd best is delay
4th best is stripping provisions of the bill

Implementation is a LOSS. That’s what we’ve been fighting to prevent. A delay is a temporary prevention of implementation.


42 posted on 09/26/2013 2:25:21 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Rennes Templar

I agree that delay will help. Also, we talk as if “they” were going to suffer from Obamacare. Well, we’ll all suffer. Is that what anybody here wants?


43 posted on 09/26/2013 2:26:09 PM PDT by livius
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Programmers hopeful....


44 posted on 09/26/2013 2:52:17 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Maelstorm

I went on his Facebook page and left him several messages!!!


45 posted on 09/26/2013 3:03:21 PM PDT by tallyhoe
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To: Maelstorm

It is not Cruzmentum.

Fact is Manchin is on the NRSC target list and Congresswoman Capito is a high quality candidate that will challenge him.


46 posted on 09/26/2013 4:28:36 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: staytrue

Manchin is safe until 2018. He just doesn’t like getting phonecalls that don’t backslap him.

This is another positive of the Cruz talk. Any tiny concession Obama or the Democrats make on Obamacare this week will appear like they caved to Cruz.


47 posted on 09/26/2013 4:37:01 PM PDT by ObamahatesPACoal
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To: ObamahatesPACoal

You are right. It is Jay Rockerfellar who is retiring and Capito is running for the open seat.


48 posted on 09/26/2013 4:56:20 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: Hoodat
Tomorrow or Saturday, when a cloture vote is taking place in the US Senate, we'll see how far Manchin breaks with Reid and the White House. I suspect his vote will be YEA in lockstep with Durbin, Coons, Schumer, Mikulski, Warren, Murray, Hagan, etc.

Close, but I think this is the same theater as when Obamacare passed the House. Manchin will vote against cloture only after the cloture motion succeeds (do you really think 41 Republican senators will vote against cloture?). That way he can proudly show himself to be a conservative. If he needs to be the 60th vote for cloture, he will vote for cloture. Watch WHEN Manchin votes - if it is late in the vote, that means that he was standing next to Harry Reid until the issue was no longer in doubt.

This is what happened in the House on the original Obamacare vote - the "Blue Dog" (lap dog) Demoncrats waited until the end of the vote before Pelosi allowed them to vote no.

49 posted on 09/26/2013 5:07:21 PM PDT by Alternate Universe
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To: 1010RD

Agreed, if they actually leave that provision in. But they won’t. You can bank on it. The best we get is a one year delay in implementation.


50 posted on 09/26/2013 7:00:17 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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