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Abandon ship: Senate Democrat calls for delaying ObamaCare’s individual mandate
Hotair ^ | 09/26/2013 | AllahPundit

Posted on 09/26/2013 11:36:07 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Two words, my friends: “Bipartisan support.”

U.S. Senator Joe Manchin of West Virginia broke ranks with fellow Democrats and said he’d support a stopgap spending plan that delays the individual mandate in President Barack Obama’s health-care law.

“There’s no way I could not vote for it,” Manchin said at a Bloomberg Government breakfast today. “It’s very reasonable and sensible.”…

Manchin, 66, said he’d be willing to delay the individual mandate as part of the budget negotiations because the Obama administration in July gave businesses an extra year to provide their workers with health insurance.

“Don’t put the mandate on the American public right now,” Manchin said. “Give them at least a year. If you know you couldn’t bring the corporate sector, you gave them a year, don’t you think it’d be fair?”

Two intriguing footnotes. One: News of this broke while The One was busy delivering his umpteen-thousandth speech about how terrific O-Care will be if we just give it a chance. Coincidence, or did Manchin time this for maximum impact? Two: Unlike many other red-state Democrats, he’s not up for reelection next year. He’s safe in West Virginia until 2018. Either he supports delay on the merits (he ran an ad three years ago in which he literally shot a hole through a copy of the bill) or he thinks the political fallout of backing O-Care will be so gruesome that it’ll still be a liability for him in five years. Either way, this is just the sort of political cover that Democrats who are up for reelection in conservative states need to vote with the GOP. Pryor, Landrieu, Begich, Hagan — Republicans could conceivably have 50 votes or more for delay headed into debt-ceiling negotiations. That won’t break a filibuster but it does complicate the White House’s message of blaming everything on those darned wingnuts and their anti-ObamaCare monomania.

But Manchin’s announcement wasn’t the only news breaking during O’s speech:

The Obama administration is delaying another piece of Obamacare – this time postponing online enrollment in some of the small-business exchanges scheduled to open Oct. 1, sources tell POLITICO.

Small businesses looking to enroll in coverage on so-called SHOP exchanges run by the federal government will be able to submit a paper application on Oct. 1 – they just won’t be able to enroll online…

The SHOP applications represent the latest glitch in the federal exchange infrastructure. Federal health officials recently said they won’t be able to transfer Medicaid applications to states right away, The Wall Street Journal reported earlier this week.

So there’s the answer to the question I asked last night. The D.C. exchange was promoted by the media as ahead of the curve relative to other exchanges, and yet they still couldn’t get the subsidies calculations right in time for launch day — with three years to prepare. If that’s the shape that a comparatively well-run exchange was in, when would the more poorly-run exchanges start postponing elements of the rollout? Well, here you go. It took less than 24 hours.

Exit question: At this point, would the White House rather meet Boehner’s demand for a one-year delay of all of ObamaCare or Manchin’s demand for a one-year delay of the individual mandate specifically? I think there’s more political risk to the latter than the former, no? If you delay the whole law, you buy yourself time to work out all the bugs before trying again at a rollout next year. It’ll be hugely embarrassing to the White House to postpone things when they’re this close to launch, and there are doubtless lots of congressional Democrats who don’t want O-Care becoming a key issue right before the midterms, but that’s survivable. What’s potentially not survivable is rolling out the exchanges now minus the individual mandate, which means lots of young adults will face no legal compulsion to buy in. If (as Bill Clinton noted two days ago) healthy uninsured people refuse to fork over their money, then insurers suddenly don’t have a pool of revenue to cover all the people with preexisting conditions who are signing up, and then the whole scheme starts to collapse. There’ll be no delays after that; if insurers start crumbling, we’ll be in post-ObamaCare mode as a country. Better, then, to hit pause on the whole thing if you’re O to prevent that sort of collapse, right?


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: aca; democrats; exchanges; joemanchin; mandate; obamacare

1 posted on 09/26/2013 11:36:07 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Until he gets “the call”.


2 posted on 09/26/2013 11:39:08 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: SeekAndFind
Delays are meaningless. It's similar to being told that your execution will be delayed a few months. Whoop dee doo.

The entire concept here is to get them past the 2014 Elections, where they can begin to feast on our cadavers in earnest for a full 24 months before being accountable again.

3 posted on 09/26/2013 11:39:37 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Manchin could switch parties. IMO

He’s knows Obama’s war on coal is and Death Care will kill his state.


4 posted on 09/26/2013 11:41:39 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Count on more ad more democrats to vote for and call for support of a DELAY

they DO NOT want to run in 2014 with this train wreck in place


5 posted on 09/26/2013 11:42:46 AM PDT by Mr. K (Lies, Damned Lies, Statistics, and then Democrat Talking Points.)
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To: SeekAndFind

He’s a weasel.just wants to delay this until after the mid-term election.


6 posted on 09/26/2013 11:44:13 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: SeekAndFind

7 posted on 09/26/2013 11:44:15 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( When insane/feral Islamics are killing each other, stand back and let Allah sort them out!)
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To: laplata

There is new leadership in the GOP, whether the party wants to admit it or not: Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, Mike Lee, Jeff Sessions, and the others who stepped into the breach to spell the senator from Texas.


8 posted on 09/26/2013 11:44:36 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

NOW is the time to attack! Bayonets forward!


9 posted on 09/26/2013 11:45:44 AM PDT by Viennacon (S)
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To: SeekAndFind


10 posted on 09/26/2013 11:45:47 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( When insane/feral Islamics are killing each other, stand back and let Allah sort them out!)
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To: SeekAndFind

How about exemptions for the entire country ...except Congress, the Supreme Court & Obama?


11 posted on 09/26/2013 11:47:21 AM PDT by Troublemaker
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To: SeekAndFind

By what authority does the Federal Government have the power to force me into a Life Long Contract (Peonage re: 13th Amendment)with an Insurance Company?


12 posted on 09/26/2013 11:47:35 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: SeekAndFind

Correct. All of the Republicans need to spell Cruz.


13 posted on 09/26/2013 11:47:57 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: Viennacon

FROM THE NATIONAL REVIEW:

There is no reason to think the Tea Party, if properly organized and harnessed, cannot be even more potent next year than it was in 2010, especially now that its members know the government really was out to get them.

Control of the Congress by the current GOP “leadership” would only serve to increase frustration on the right. The citizenry does not want “deals” or more legislation — it wants action.

Win or lose, the battle is now joined: First the struggle for the GOP and then the battle for control of Congress and the presidency. Cruz just struck at the kings he could reach — the Republican “leadership” — and has most likely dealt them a fatal blow. Now the Tea Party hordes must back him up by eliminating his opponents (who tend to be geriatrics, and thus “leaders” by longevity rather than talent or commitment) through the primary process wherever possible.


14 posted on 09/26/2013 11:48:02 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: massgopguy

RE: By what authority does the Federal Government have the power to force me into a Life Long Contract (Peonage re: 13th Amendment)with an Insurance Company?

From Justice John Roberts — you don’t have to enter into the contract... just pay a tax if you don’t want to.


15 posted on 09/26/2013 11:49:05 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Roaring debate just before the mid term elections? OK


16 posted on 09/26/2013 11:51:38 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: SeekAndFind

The don’t want ObamaCare wrapped around their necks for the 2014 elections. It’s the same reason Obama delayed the employer mandate until after the election. They don’t want you to see the full train wreck just yet.


17 posted on 09/26/2013 11:53:45 AM PDT by 1035rep
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To: SeekAndFind
Abandon ship: Senate Democrat calls for delaying ObamaCare’s individual mandate

I guess it's time for Hussein 0bama to invite the NSA over to the white hut to discuss what this senator has been doing.

18 posted on 09/26/2013 11:56:23 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Muzzie killing muzzie what's the downside and who am I to stop them ?)
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To: Troublemaker

“How about exemptions for the entire country ...except Congress, the Supreme Court & Obama?”

How about everyone on the government payroll receives Obamacare - the rest of us can choose free market insurance plans?


19 posted on 09/26/2013 11:57:39 AM PDT by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Let’s be clear in our objectives here and not get swindled by leftist word games:

Only 2 things are desirable WRT Obamacare: either repeal (elimination) of the entire law or defunding the mechanisms used to implement the law. This may result in a “delay” of implementation, but it will be a delay in implementing the entire law!!!! NOT PORTIONS of it, which is what a “delay in the individual mandate” would be.

In fact, at this point, Demonrats probably WANT a delay in the individual mandate. If the peons are forced into the plan before 2014, with all its disastrous financial penalties intact, they (the low information voters) might actually catch on to how much of a train wreck this is for the country.

At this point, we should demand that the individual mandate stay IN, IF we can’t defund it now (and if it can’t be repealed which of course that’s not happening). If we don’t, if the Pubbies allow such a capitulation, then they have reached even an even higher state of stupidity than anyone could have imagined.

Even for them.

Let’s not loose sight of that fact. It seems Hotair hasn’t figured the above out yet.


20 posted on 09/26/2013 12:01:39 PM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Mr. K

Yes, but the GOP will get control in 2014 and then we can really start taking it apart.


21 posted on 09/26/2013 12:03:35 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m convinced that the very worst thing for the Team Donkey is to let this obamanation proceed to full implementation. Why the GOP would want to give the Donks another year before people feel the pain is totally weird to me.

I salute Cruz’s filibuster. He did an excellent thing to put an exclamation point on GOP opposition to Obamacare. Now let it go into effect. Let America have it “good and strong” as the saying goes.

The way forward is through the fire, in my opinion.


22 posted on 09/26/2013 12:05:32 PM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Delaying RINOcare ensures its ultimate survival.


23 posted on 09/26/2013 12:07:13 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I just can’t get my arms around the concept of paying a tax for not purchasing something. What’s next? A tax for not buying a “green” car? A tax for not having a windmill? A tax for not buying brocolli?


24 posted on 09/26/2013 12:08:04 PM PDT by grania
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To: SeekAndFind
Re: “delaying ObamaCare’s individual mandate”

GOP stupidity once again on lurid display.

We should stop ObamaCare completely, or do nothing!

Postponing implementation just helps the Democrats to install ObamaCare piece by piece.

If we are too frightened to shut down the government, then our best political weapon in 2014 is the outrage that millions of voters will feel when they directly experience ObamaCare.

Instead, our leaders now want to campaign on the “theoretical” possibility that the individual mandate will be a really, really bad thing.

Can you imagine what the MSM and the Democrats will do to that argument if we give them a 12 month reprieve?

Our leadership is so weak and so stupid.

25 posted on 09/26/2013 12:11:36 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: SeekAndFind

Could be he’s already getting negative feedback from his home district. However, if he falters, he will get a call from the top dogs in the dem party, telling him that he has to vote their way, and if he gets kicked out of office they’ll give him a high paying no-work job at the taxpayers’ expense.


26 posted on 09/26/2013 12:13:57 PM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: zeestephen
I totally agree!

I made a similar argument on another thread. If you can't kill it, let the public choke on ObamaCare. They will be sure to remember in 2014. Delaying implementation only helps the Democrats.

27 posted on 09/26/2013 12:21:46 PM PDT by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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To: grania

Exactly. We must submit to anything the Goverment wants or pay a tax.


28 posted on 09/26/2013 12:24:08 PM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: grania
I just can’t get my arms around the concept of paying a tax for not purchasing something. What’s next? A tax for not buying a “green” car? A tax for not having a windmill? A tax for not buying brocolli?

But you can get tax deductions and credits for buying a green car and other stuff. So I'm not quite sure how you draw the legal line between buying a green car and deducting the purchase off your taxes vs. not buying health insurance and paying a tax because of it.

29 posted on 09/26/2013 12:26:42 PM PDT by JediJones (Impeach Pennsylvania Attorney General Kathleen Kane for Derelection of Duty)
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To: Cowboy Bob

The law is going to subsidize health insurance for a lot of people. That’s why the costs of everyone currently insured is going way up. It’s always been just another redistributive welfare program. And once those takers start taking, there’s no question in my mind support for the law will go up, and the takers will continue voting for the politicians who are paying them off with bennies.


30 posted on 09/26/2013 12:28:54 PM PDT by JediJones (Impeach Pennsylvania Attorney General Kathleen Kane for Derelection of Duty)
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To: SeekAndFind

Just pass an amendment that explains “Congress, Unions and selected businesses have been exempted from Obamacare, there fore ALL United States citizens are heretofore similarily exempted.” Carry on.


31 posted on 09/26/2013 12:36:15 PM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: SeekAndFind

We also need to emphasize to potential ObamaCare customers that the experiment’s days are numbered. Fewer will want to play if they realize that it’s only a temporary program, and that will help us to kill that terrible and evil law.


32 posted on 09/26/2013 12:53:09 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: jersey117

Yep, a horse head in his bed, of some form, is no doubt about to manifest itself.


33 posted on 09/26/2013 1:10:06 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: JediJones
re: tax deductions for green cars etc.

I don't agree with them either. Nor do I agree with government funding "green" industries etc. Let these products or services be viable or go out of business.

34 posted on 09/26/2013 1:14:28 PM PDT by grania
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To: grania

I agree with you, but Roberts could only overturn it if it was unconstitutional, not just because he didn’t agree with it. And I’m just not sure it was a slam dunk to call it unconstitutional based on the games our government regularly gets away with through the tax code.


35 posted on 09/26/2013 1:18:58 PM PDT by JediJones (Impeach Pennsylvania Attorney General Kathleen Kane for Derelection of Duty)
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To: fortheDeclaration
Yes, but the GOP will get control in 2014 and then we can really start taking it apart.

Really...
Perhaps you can give me the results of the 5th at Belmont tomorrow.

36 posted on 09/26/2013 1:26:01 PM PDT by Roccus (POLITICIAN-a four letter word spelled with ten. Dealing with politicians IS the war on terror)
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To: fortheDeclaration

“Yes,but the GOP will get control in 2014 and then we can really start taking it apart”

At the rate the GOP is going there won’t be anybody that would vote for Republicans. If you hadn’t noticed, they have been committing political suicide.


37 posted on 09/26/2013 1:29:35 PM PDT by DeWalt
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To: grania

Now your catching on.


38 posted on 09/26/2013 1:33:44 PM PDT by DeWalt
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To: SeekAndFind

And THAT is the “coercion”!


39 posted on 09/26/2013 1:37:03 PM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: laplata

Obama lost every county in West Virginia and Manchin votes like he is a Democrat from Colorado.


40 posted on 09/26/2013 2:26:39 PM PDT by ObamahatesPACoal
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To: ObamahatesPACoal

Right on both counts.


41 posted on 09/26/2013 2:46:04 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: DeWalt

I wouldn’t buy into the polls, Obamacare is hated by the majority of the People.


42 posted on 09/26/2013 3:33:55 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: Roccus

I think the GOP has a very good chance to take over the Senate in 2014, if they run against Obamacare.


43 posted on 09/26/2013 3:35:01 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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