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Aaron Alexis and the gun control mental health dodge [A cautionary tale please read]
Hot Air ^ | September 21, 2013 | Jazz Shaw

Posted on 09/26/2013 1:10:34 PM PDT by Voice of Reason1

Gun grabbers have found an issue where they can get almost unanimous consent across the board, including from gun owners. Nobody wants the dangerously insane to have weapons. not even the NRA. So using that bit of light coming in under the edge of the door, they’ve found a point of attack. Since we all agree that the insane shouldn’t have guns, we’ll pass a law to enforce that. And then we’ll start dumbing down the definition of “insane” to include as many people as possible.

Because in the end, this was never about helping people. This is about taking away the guns. This is the story of a vast group of extremely angry and frustrated liberals who are forlorn at the refusal of certain lines from the Constitution to simply disappear. And since they can’t rid the founding documents of the hated clause, their long time tactic has been to adopt the First Amendment “fire in the theater” caveat to say that all rights have limitations, and then to seek out every possible nook and cranny to find “exceptions” where gun rights can be infringed and weapons can be confiscated. The mental health issue is no exception. We already have a system in place for defining those who are too dangerously deranged to own guns, and it involves having people adjudicated as such in a court of law with the opportunity to defend themselves and challenge the finding if they wish. That is sufficient. If you let the anti-gun rights lobby define the mentally ill when it comes to background checks and gun ownership, soon enough they will define wanting to own a gun as a mental illness.

If we fall for that, then we truly will have the government we deserve for being fools.

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And then we’ll start dumbing down the definition of “insane” to include as many people as possible.

A posting from a couple days ago that makes an excellent point:

That if the Gun grabbers can push “Universal registration” and “mental health checks” through during the next shooting crisis hysteria they will simply lower the bar as to who is ‘insane’ and thus be deprived of their commonsense civil right of self-defense.

Two other items to keep in mind:

1).The old Soviet Union would lock up dissidents in mental hospitals as a way of oppressing the people.

2). Leftists over here are deliberately using various forms of mental heath smears against us already – saying that we are “Nut jobs” and the like.

I believe this is where the gun gabbers are going next in trying to take away our civil rights.

1 posted on 09/26/2013 1:10:34 PM PDT by Voice of Reason1
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To: Voice of Reason1
The NRA helped pass the GCA of 1968, which was pretty much the same ... we don't want any more Kennedy's or Kings, right?

America needs to step back and take a breath.

2 posted on 09/26/2013 1:12:43 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Voice of Reason1

Ahead of you, I figured that out years ago and have opposed all gun control ever since.


3 posted on 09/26/2013 1:15:05 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: knarf

The primary driver on the pro-gun side behind the passage of GCA68 was the dealers - they were strongly in favor of shutting down their mail-order competitors.


4 posted on 09/26/2013 1:16:06 PM PDT by jdege
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To: knarf

I’ll go out on a limb here and simply say that you can Never compromise with Socialists.

I know that’ll be ‘controversial’ and all.. /sarc.


5 posted on 09/26/2013 1:16:33 PM PDT by Voice of Reason1 (Absolute power corrupts absolutely Lord Acton 1887)
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To: Voice of Reason1

I’ve been saying this for years.


6 posted on 09/26/2013 1:17:11 PM PDT by raybbr (I weep over my sons' future in this Godforsaken country.)
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To: Voice of Reason1

1. If you are insane, you can’t have a firearm.
2. If you want a firearm, you are insane.

“That’s some catch, that Catch 22.”


7 posted on 09/26/2013 1:18:52 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: Voice of Reason1
Yep. The left’s list of “crazies”:

- Military veterans
- Christians
- Tea Partiers
- Preppers
ETC...

8 posted on 09/26/2013 1:18:54 PM PDT by ryan71 (The Partisans)
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To: Voice of Reason1

It stands to reason that if an individual has been determined to be too unstable, too dangerous, to own, possess, or hold weapons....

Then there should be jobs that person should not hold, places that person should not be.

Like a teacher, mentor, advocate, pilot, flight attendant, or anything involving kids or having some control over groups of people (like being a politician). Meat cutter in a food store, private pilot, boat owner, and why should that person have access to gasoline?

This issue would be a good one to make amendments (poison amendments) to any “mental health” gun control bill. Imagine a liberal teacher losing her job because 35 parents wrote notes about her “stability”.

An idea that has been kicked around is that an entire household must be gun-free if one member has been deemed to be ineligible. next would be apartment building or neighborhood! After all it’s to save the children.


9 posted on 09/26/2013 1:22:56 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: Navy Patriot
At some point you just have to stand and fight – giving up a little freedom with each ‘crisis’ is a losing game.
10 posted on 09/26/2013 1:24:23 PM PDT by Voice of Reason1 (Absolute power corrupts absolutely Lord Acton 1887)
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To: eddie willers

Yes, that’s exactly what we’re looking at – they’ve already are telegraphing this all over the place.


11 posted on 09/26/2013 1:25:36 PM PDT by Voice of Reason1 (Absolute power corrupts absolutely Lord Acton 1887)
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To: ryan71

And if you’re several of those i.e. a patriot– watch out!


12 posted on 09/26/2013 1:27:25 PM PDT by Voice of Reason1 (Absolute power corrupts absolutely Lord Acton 1887)
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To: Voice of Reason1

Background checks are for statists. Never ask permission from the government to exercise your natural rights.


13 posted on 09/26/2013 1:45:17 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: Voice of Reason1

“Insane” is anyone with no party book.

It’s an old trick.


14 posted on 09/26/2013 1:52:27 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama: the bearded lady of the Muslim Brotherhood))
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To: Voice of Reason1

*** their long time tactic has been to adopt the First Amendment “fire in the theater” caveat to say that all rights have limitations,***

But what if there IS A FIRE in the theater?


15 posted on 09/26/2013 1:55:53 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Voice of Reason1

My elderly mother had a seizure a few years ago. It came out of the blue & she went to the doctor who put her on meds. Within DAYS she received a notice from the DMV that her license would be pulled if she did not stay on anti-seizure meds.

I wouldn’t have a problem for a doctor to report an individual who said they were hearing voices, or had other indications that there was a sanity issue. At the least, they could put a hold on an immediate approval for a gun purchase until the individual’s situation could be clarified.

That doesn’t mean they could get away with requiring some sort of mental health check on the average gun purchaser. But if we can stop people from driving if they’ve had a seizure, then we can stop people from buying guns who are clearly not rational.


16 posted on 09/26/2013 1:56:27 PM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: Voice of Reason1

I’ve said it before, and I will say it again...

We should allow EVERYONE to carry a firearm. Eventually the problem of crazies with guns will sort itself out, because a lot of them will be shot in self-defense.


17 posted on 09/26/2013 1:58:03 PM PDT by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (My sweet talk is also savory and creamy.)
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To: knarf

The problem with mentally ill people getting guns was solved in 1968.

“Today we begin to disarm the criminal and the careless and the insane. All of our people who are deeply concerned in this country about law and order should hail this day.
- Lyndon Johnson when he signed the 1968 GCA into law.


18 posted on 09/26/2013 1:59:57 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: andyk

We have been doing so for far too long – there needs to be some pushback.

This isn’t a new thing either – they’ve been wanting two parts of the puzzle for quite a while:

1) Background checks that are routed through the due process free terror “Watch lists”
2) Statists trying to claim Tea Party people and other folks to be “Terrorists”.


19 posted on 09/26/2013 2:01:39 PM PDT by Voice of Reason1 (Absolute power corrupts absolutely Lord Acton 1887)
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To: Voice of Reason1

There are ER people who are very fast on pulling out commitment papers...and once those are initiated gun rights are taken away;

I believe all our totalitarinasm control will come from healthcare.


20 posted on 09/26/2013 2:02:50 PM PDT by Chickensoup (...We didn't love freedom enough... Solzhenitsyn.)
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