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Cops Accused of Forcing Woman to Delete Video of Husband’s Arrest Sparked by ‘Unloaded’
The Blaze ^ | 25 September, 2013 | Jason Howerton

Posted on 09/26/2013 4:46:03 PM PDT by marktwain

A man in Crawford County, Mich., was arrested and charged with felony assault with a deadly weapon on Sunday after he called authorities about a trespassing suspect on his property, his wife tells TheBlaze. There are also serious allegations being made about officers demanding that video footage of the incident — taken by the man’s wife — be deleted.

Thomas Donald, a military veteran, was reportedly out hunting with his 11-year-old son and armed with an “unloaded” single-shot .410-gauge shotgun (his son chose to use a crossbow instead) when he confronted a man riding a dirt bike on his 10 acres of land. The man and his son then reportedly escorted the trespasser to the front of his property and told his wife, Heather, to call the Department of Natural Resources (DNR) to file a “recreational trespass.”

What happened when the Crawford County Sheriff’s Department arrived shocked them both, though Sheriff Kirk Wakefield tells TheBlaze quite a different story.

In an exclusive interview with TheBlaze, Heather Donald recounted what happened from the couple’s perspective. Her husband, Thomas, declined to speak with us on the advice of his attorney and due to the charges against him. His attorney also declined an interview request.

(Excerpt) Read more at theblaze.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: banglist; crawford; govtabuse; guncontrol; mi; moronwithbadge; opencarry; policestate; rapeofliberty; secondamendment; tyranny; warriorcops
There are updates, a picture and links to video at the Blaze.

It sounds like pretty clear violation of rights, including the first amendment. The Seventh Circuit has ruled that you have a constitutional first amendment right to record police in the performance of their public duties.

The Sheriff's story does not seem to hold together.

1 posted on 09/26/2013 4:46:03 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Police should stick to their assigned duties: Raising revenue for the welfare state from innocent civilians attempting to legally go about their day.


2 posted on 09/26/2013 4:50:14 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Ted Cruz for President!)
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To: Uncle Miltie

in Spokane Wa the cops are all going to get cameras attached to their uniforms....not sure I like the idea but at least there will be accountability.....


3 posted on 09/26/2013 4:53:45 PM PDT by cherry
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To: cherry
unless the video is, shall we say, lost somehow...
4 posted on 09/26/2013 4:59:21 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: cherry
Studies on the subject show that cops who have cameras on them are far less likely to get aggressive with law abiding citizens. Just like the criminals that they are...and let me repeat that: Just like the criminals that they are some cops don't want their crimes to be seen by the public.
5 posted on 09/26/2013 5:04:28 PM PDT by MeganC (A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don't have one, you'll never need one again.)
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To: marktwain
Hope the cop's got a good lawyer.

He may not be able to hide behind his badge on this one.

6 posted on 09/26/2013 5:09:44 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (When your policy is to rob Peter to pay Paul, you can count on enthusiastic support from Paul.)
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To: MeganC; All

One of biggest problems for a free society is how to keep the police from being corrupted by their power. The Romans even had a phrase for it:

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

“Who will guard the guards themselves?”

We may have found a partial solution in our ubiquitous recording devices and courts willing to uphold the inherent right to record police officers in the performance of their public duties.

A recording of police attempting to stop a recording device should be prima facie evidence of deprivation of rights under color of law.


7 posted on 09/26/2013 5:10:46 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: marktwain
sheriff@crawfordsheriff.org
8 posted on 09/26/2013 5:12:30 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (In te, Domine, speravi: non confundar in aeternum.)
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To: marktwain

Shouldn’t deleting a video of the arrest be considered destruction of evidence?


9 posted on 09/26/2013 5:13:12 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: marktwain; All

It appears that backup recording devices, or devices that upload to remote cloud databases in real time, will become more popular.


10 posted on 09/26/2013 5:13:29 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: marktwain

I don’t believe the guy pointed the weapon at anyone, much less in the direction of the officers.

It was dumb to hold it up and broken but, it’s even number that a cop can’t tell the gun is in safe.


11 posted on 09/26/2013 5:17:13 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: marktwain; All

I wonder if the “tresspasser” is related to some local elite, or someone in the Sheriff’s department.

I notice that there is no mention of the supposed tresspasser’s name. Suppossedly the trespasser was given a ticket. There should be a public record of it.


12 posted on 09/26/2013 5:21:27 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: cherry

in Spokane Wa the cops are all going to get cameras attached to their uniforms....not sure I like the idea but at least there will be accountability.....
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Don’t count on it ,,, the video will only be seen if it helps them... just like the DVR in-car camera...


13 posted on 09/26/2013 5:23:15 PM PDT by Neidermeyer (I used to be disgusted , now I try to be amused.)
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To: marktwain

You can see by the photos that the peasant Donald has been forced to assume the proper position when addressing his Donut Blimp Magic Costumed Betters - on his belly, eating grass.


14 posted on 09/26/2013 5:24:19 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: marktwain

A little off subject butI read someplace today those cops in Arizona that shot and killed the Marine in his home in front of wife and child paid 3.4 million to the family.


15 posted on 09/26/2013 5:25:11 PM PDT by DeWalt
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To: marktwain

It appears that backup recording devices, or devices that upload to remote cloud databases in real time, will become more popular.
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I have a “spy” pen dvr that cost me under $15 on eBay ... takes great video and audio...

The local cops are getting uppity in my town ... I can get GPS trackers for under $30 with GPRS realtime broadcast! ,,, I might just attach a few to the Mayors car (hey it’s my car .. I paid for it) and a few popo cars just to REALLY stir them up...


16 posted on 09/26/2013 5:27:05 PM PDT by Neidermeyer (I used to be disgusted , now I try to be amused.)
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To: DeWalt

Excuse me. I’ll bet it’s the taxpayers who paid $3.4 million to the family.


17 posted on 09/26/2013 5:34:36 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (In te, Domine, speravi: non confundar in aeternum.)
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To: vbmoneyspender
Shouldn’t deleting a video of the arrest be considered destruction of evidence?

Evidence tampering is a felony, IIRC, and supposedly far more serious when a cop does it. It should also be considered obstruction of justice.
18 posted on 09/26/2013 5:42:32 PM PDT by rottndog ('Live Free Or Die' Ain't just words on a bumber sticker...or a tagline.)
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To: Mad Dawg

Insurance


19 posted on 09/26/2013 5:43:14 PM PDT by DeWalt
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To: DeWalt

Good point.

Premia paid by the taxpayers.

The good news is that the insurance company may refuse to cover them if they don’t tighten up their use of deadly force policies.


20 posted on 09/26/2013 5:51:26 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (In te, Domine, speravi: non confundar in aeternum.)
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To: Chode

“unless the video is, shall we say, lost somehow...”

which happens every time the video doesn’t back up their version of an incident


21 posted on 09/26/2013 6:05:13 PM PDT by Figment
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To: Mad Dawg

Until the cops are personally responsible they will not really care.


22 posted on 09/26/2013 6:10:18 PM PDT by MtnClimber (0-Bomb-a-Nation. Resist we much!)
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To: cherry
I have heard that other LEOs in jurisdictions that already have cameras as part of their Duty Gear simply turn off the cams when they do not want a recording of whatever is occurring to exist.

Better for us non-LEOs to purchase individual wireless webcams to record situations so even if the camera is forcibly turned off by LEOs or "accidentally" rendered inoperable (broken) at any time a record exists that will provide proof of actual occurrences rather than only the LEO's statement as to how events transpired.

23 posted on 09/26/2013 6:20:23 PM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: Figment
100%!
24 posted on 09/26/2013 6:23:02 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: marktwain


25 posted on 09/26/2013 6:25:21 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: DeWalt; All

“A little off subject butI read someplace today those cops in Arizona that shot and killed the Marine in his home in front of wife and child paid 3.4 million to the family.”

Here it is:

AZ:Pima Co. agrees to settle over botched SWAT raid

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3067153/posts


26 posted on 09/26/2013 6:32:13 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: Utilizer
I have heard that other LEOs in jurisdictions that already have cameras as part of their Duty Gear simply turn off the cams when they do not want a recording of whatever is occurring to exist.

IMHO, this would be far worse for any potential misconduct allegations...it shows intent to commit the misconduct on the part of the officer, in addition to evidence tampering. Any laws broken by the officer after that point would be defacto premeditated.

When cameras become standard gear, it should be policy that those devises are recording any interaction with the public or the conduct of any official business, and video files should be included with any police report.
27 posted on 09/26/2013 6:32:49 PM PDT by rottndog ('Live Free Or Die' Ain't just words on a bumber sticker...or a tagline.)
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To: DeWalt

So when does the capital murder trial start for the murdering leos? /s


28 posted on 09/26/2013 6:35:18 PM PDT by VRWCarea51
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To: MeganC
Studies on the subject show that cops who have cameras on them are far less likely to get aggressive with law abiding citizens.

I guess that's why cops rarely get out of line on the long-running TV reality show, Cops; in fact, they often come across as good samaritans in their degree of helpfulness.

29 posted on 09/26/2013 7:06:38 PM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished.)
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To: DeWalt
...those cops in Arizona that shot and killed the Marine in his home in front of wife and child paid 3.4 million to the family.

The cops paid it or the taxpayers?

30 posted on 09/26/2013 7:08:18 PM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished.)
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To: vbmoneyspender

The wife had the last laugh.

She used recovery software to do just that.....she recovered the video the cop deleted, according to the article on “The Blaze.”


31 posted on 09/26/2013 7:18:47 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (The Second Amendment makes all the other amendments possible)
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To: Mad Dawg

No, the dumba$$ taxpaying morons who voted in the corrupt sheriff are going to pay.


32 posted on 09/26/2013 7:29:51 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (Excessive numbers of coincidences are known as patterns.)
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To: marktwain

Is there a you tube? The vid at the site crashes my player.


33 posted on 09/26/2013 7:30:11 PM PDT by Ken H (First rule of gun safety - have a gun)
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To: RetiredTexasVet
No, the dumba$$ taxpaying morons who voted in the corrupt sheriff are going to pay.

Well, because of the "social contracts" inherent to a democracy, the ones who didn't vote for them are responsible for paying too.

After all you can't ignore the law, unless you 1) make the law, 2) enforce the law. "Some pigs are more equal than others."

34 posted on 09/26/2013 7:42:17 PM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: rottndog

Perhaps. But when the records are examined and the camera appears to be turning off and on frequently during the duty period can not the argument that the equipment perhaps is faulty somehow be established thereby?


35 posted on 09/26/2013 7:43:48 PM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: marktwain

What is the name of the service that lets you automatically upload to a cloud server when you film police, so that you have the video even if they confiscate your phone?


36 posted on 09/26/2013 7:44:45 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: tbw2

I believe it is Instagram from what i have read. Can’t say for sure though, I try to leave as tiny a fingerprint in the Web as possible. It helps that I was never impressed by the narcissistic time suck that they call Facebook or the many copycats that were even more intrusive to privacy and offensive to common sense.


37 posted on 09/26/2013 7:54:28 PM PDT by JerseyDvl (Cogito Ergo Doleo Soetoro, ABO and of course FUBO!)
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To: DeWalt

Did the cops pay or did the taxpayers have to pay? Would be nice if they made the cops sign over their pensions.


38 posted on 09/26/2013 8:01:48 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Usagi_yo; RetiredTexasVet; MtnClimber
One thing that astonishes me, if the article is halfway accurate, is the incompetence of the deputies.

"Um, duh, he's under arr.. no, wait, I mean, uh, forget it."

"We need your camera for, like, um, wait, it's coming to me, evidence," followed by trying, unsuccessfully, to delete the "evidence."

Whadda buncha marOONS!

39 posted on 09/26/2013 8:11:01 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (In te, Domine, speravi: non confundar in aeternum.)
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To: marktwain

These cops put the “police” in police state.


40 posted on 09/26/2013 8:15:36 PM PDT by Pajamajan (Pray for our nation. Thank the Lord for everything you have. Don't wait. Do it today.)
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To: Rusty0604

Counties insurance payed.


41 posted on 09/26/2013 8:16:02 PM PDT by DeWalt
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To: marktwain

Thanks


42 posted on 09/26/2013 8:19:12 PM PDT by DeWalt
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To: VRWCarea51

Don’t even know if grand jury even heard the case.


43 posted on 09/26/2013 8:22:00 PM PDT by DeWalt
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To: DeWalt

Well, if they did take the cop’s pensions to pay victim’s families maybe they would think twice before they shoot.


44 posted on 09/26/2013 8:36:43 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: marktwain
scroll down for photos - this should be "carried" whenever carrying - records several GB’s at HD. ou coulld start video taping at minute one.

they wouldn't even know they're being video taped - maybe tape with phone and then when the say turn it off - ‘comply’ - they would think they had neutralized you

http://www.zetronix.com/DVR-Sunglasses/c82/index.html

45 posted on 09/26/2013 8:53:33 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: Figment
which happens every time the video doesn’t back up their version of an incident

What juries need to start doing is just return not guilty verdicts any time the police "lose" such evidence. If the case is against the officer, convict.

Every single time, for every single crime.

46 posted on 09/26/2013 9:13:01 PM PDT by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
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To: marktwain
A recording of police attempting to stop a recording device should be prima facie evidence of deprivation of rights under color of law.

And, in certain circumstances, it should also be justification for a law abiding citizen to use lethal force to protect themselves from an armed attacker. Just because someone has a badge shouldn't give them a pass on committing murder and just because an attacker has a badge shouldn't mean that a citizen has an obligation to die in the face of 'official' criminal force.

47 posted on 09/27/2013 10:44:27 AM PDT by MeganC (A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don't have one, you'll never need one again.)
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