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Tom Coburn: Wait, Iím a RINO now because I disagree with Ted Cruz on tactics?
Hotair ^ | 09/26/2013 | AllahPundit

Posted on 09/26/2013 4:51:12 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Alternate headline: “RINO surprised to discover he’s a RINO.” No, no, kidding. It’s a testament to how much goodwill Coburn has earned with grassroots righties that he remains a minor player in the RINO/true conservative squabble over defunding despite having been one of the first big-name Republicans to publicly criticize Cruz’s tactics. Or maybe I’m wrong and he’s simply being ignored because a more attractive target for right-wing wrath has inserted himself into this. Coburn gets a pass vis-a-vis McCain, I think, not just because of differences in their record but because Coburn takes no obvious personal pleasure in rebuking the wacko birds. When he tells you it’s too bad that Cruz is doomed to fail, you believe him. Not so Maverick. In fact, there’s an odd symmetry between Coburn as low-key opponent of trying to defund and Mike Lee as a (comparatively) low-key supporter. Both of them are being overshadowed on their respective sides by guys who are lightning rods for criticism. The left (and Peter King) will come away from this declaring Ted Cruz some kind of terrorist but Lee will sail on undamaged.

I think Coburn’s right, though, that confusion about what’s possible here risks disappointment and demotivation next year. Tactically, things have reached the point where even some grassroots conservatives who are following this closely aren’t sure what’s going on. Here’s something one of Orrin Hatch’s staffers posted yesterday:

Callers into our office very confused after that 100-0 cloture vote

— Antonia Ferrier (@ahrferrier) September 25, 2013

The confusion over cloture is understandable, but it comes on top of the earlier confusion about Cruz wanting to filibuster the House bill that actually defunds ObamaCare and on top of the broader uncertainty about which side would suffer more from a shutdown over defunding and how badly. Ironically, I think the more convoluted the tactical debate becomes, the easier it is to simply choose a side between the RINOs and true conservatives and start hammering the other as sellouts/grandstanders. Democrats insist that Cruz’s filibuster will achieve nothing; Coburn, whatever his feelings about ObamaCare, agrees with them on at least that much. If he’s not willing to risk a months-long shutdown in a quixotic bid to pressure the other party into defunding the biggest “accomplishment” of the Obama presidency, then he’s kinda sorta “with” the Democrats, isn’t he? QED.

Update: If Tom Coburn’s the new president of the RINOs, Rick Perry must be his VP.

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1 posted on 09/26/2013 4:51:13 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Time to &%!# or get off the pot, sir.


2 posted on 09/26/2013 4:52:44 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Surrender is not a tactic!


3 posted on 09/26/2013 4:54:37 PM PDT by DaveyB ("When injustice becomes the law; rebellion becomes duty." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: SeekAndFind

Coburn has smelled like a RINO long before Cruz. Face it Coburn. You are a RINO and a dem shill.


4 posted on 09/26/2013 4:55:10 PM PDT by dforest
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To: SeekAndFind

If you are voting with Harry Reid, you are voting to fund 0bamaCare.

YOU AREN’t a Rino, you’re a democrat.


5 posted on 09/26/2013 4:55:21 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Ted Cruz for President!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Remove the question mark from the title.


7 posted on 09/26/2013 4:56:46 PM PDT by Viennacon (S)
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To: SeekAndFind

Vote him out. If he votes to allow closure, vote him out.


8 posted on 09/26/2013 4:57:21 PM PDT by Trteamer ( (Eat Meat, Wear Fur, Own Guns, FReep Leftists, Drive an SUV, Drill A.N.W.R., Drill the Gulf, Vote)
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To: SeekAndFind

Cruz is not filibustering the house bill and Coburn knows it. He’s trying to make Reid’s strategy fail! Cruz wants a 60 vote threshold so they have a chance of passing the house bill with the funding for obamacare denied. If the Republicans control 46 votes, it can be done on a 60 vote threshold.


9 posted on 09/26/2013 4:57:21 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Coburn’s been exposed as a DC phony and he doesn’t like it.

Enough is enough. What don’t you get, Doctor? Take a stand!


10 posted on 09/26/2013 4:57:32 PM PDT by Third Person (Welcome to Gaymerica.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Oh shut up, Allahpundit. You’re a useless weasel too.


11 posted on 09/26/2013 4:58:04 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: SeekAndFind

Its like tater head said today

GOPe never bashed Nixon like this till right before he resigned

GOP is done


12 posted on 09/26/2013 4:59:35 PM PDT by wardaddy (the next Dark Ages are coming as Western Civilization crumbles with nary a whimper)
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To: SeekAndFind

Obamacare must be fought at every turn.
Whatever needs to be done to stop it must be done.
AND
Americans need to see you doing it!
Most Americans only pay attention to politics once every couple of days, if then.
If people see you fighting they will believe in you!
They will send you money!
They will vote for you and tell their friends to vote for you as well.
If all of your strategies involve waiting for things to fail instead of stopping them from happening in the first place - you are a RINO.
If all you do is talk and then choke or bail when push comes to shove - you are a RINO.
You are a fair-weather conservative - which is not really a conservative at all.
The fact that you do not consider yourself to be a RINO does not mean you are any less of a RINO.


13 posted on 09/26/2013 5:04:27 PM PDT by servo1969
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To: SeekAndFind

If the Repubs can’t even agree to defund and repeal, and if they sign on to some kind of immigration deal, then they have no further reason to exist.

They are closer to seeing their party implode than they realize. They still think this is about politics.


14 posted on 09/26/2013 5:06:00 PM PDT by marron
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To: SeekAndFind

When you went into the enemy camp on MSNBC, to attack a fellow Republican, you are a Rino.


15 posted on 09/26/2013 5:06:06 PM PDT by DeWalt
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To: DeWalt

And that goes the same to Little Peter Ming.


16 posted on 09/26/2013 5:11:22 PM PDT by DeWalt
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To: SeekAndFind
Yep.

What have you done for the peeps lately?

17 posted on 09/26/2013 5:12:20 PM PDT by Paladin2 (h)
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To: DeWalt

Exactly. Remember when he tried to do back-room deals with Schumer on gun control. He is not who he claims to be. He has three years left and is not running for reelection. He is going to b on CSPAN Washington Journal in the morning...I am sure to trash Cruz. Just think if he only spoke ill of Democrats tomorrow?


18 posted on 09/26/2013 5:12:39 PM PDT by yellowdoghunter (My son said, "You tickled my laugh". Lol!!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

The Republican Party will never survive. Too busy destroying unity.


19 posted on 09/26/2013 5:12:42 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: DeWalt

King. So pissed I can’t type.


20 posted on 09/26/2013 5:12:57 PM PDT by DeWalt
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To: Logical me

It’s going to be Suicide by Voter.


21 posted on 09/26/2013 5:14:52 PM PDT by DeWalt
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To: SeekAndFind

If you fund it, you own it.

RINOcare.


22 posted on 09/26/2013 5:15:10 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

I usually don’t read stuff if it’s written by Allahpundit. He just plain bugs me.

The Daily Caller had an article which quoted Cruz. It pointed out that the strategy is to threaten (and make good on the threat) to keep ANY vote from happening until Reid promises they will get a chance to vote on the House’s CR with the Obamacare-defunding measure intact. The point of putting the vote on indefinite hold is to make Reid realize he gets NOTHING unless he allows the House’s CR to stand. It will rest firmly on Reid, who knows exactly what it will take to get the government funded, except Obamacare.


23 posted on 09/26/2013 5:22:06 PM PDT by butterdezillion (Free online faxing at http://faxzero.com/ Fax all your elected officials. Make DC listen.)
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Yes you are dum bass!

The first flurry of activity that even comes close to Conservatism in Washington, D. C., and you pick it apart.

Yep, you’re a RINO dip stick.


24 posted on 09/26/2013 5:24:26 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (This post coming to you today from behind the Camelskin Curtain. Not the Iron or Bamboo Curtain...)
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To: SeekAndFind

Actually Mr. Coburn, yes! NEWSFLASH!!!! Yes, you ARE a RINO


25 posted on 09/26/2013 5:24:44 PM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: SeekAndFind
A vote FOR cloture is a vote FOR Sh!thouse Harry and FOR the Kenyan Commie and FOR the ultimate destruction of freedom and liberty in America.

But hey, Tom, if that's who you want to vote with that's who you are going to side with!

My Gawd, if we had fought WWII like this, the East Coast would today be speaking German and the West Coast would be speaking Japanese!

26 posted on 09/26/2013 5:32:22 PM PDT by Gritty (This war against Islamism is being lost because it cannot even be acknowledged- Mark Steyn)
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To: SeekAndFind

Does he know what giving aid and comfort to the enemy mean?


27 posted on 09/26/2013 5:33:28 PM PDT by 4rcane
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To: SeekAndFind

That’s exactly right, Mr. Coburn.


28 posted on 09/26/2013 5:35:41 PM PDT by lu shissler (ecause)
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To: 4rcane

Those WDC cocktail parties, country club parties and lobbyist parties can be very inviting, huh, tommie?


29 posted on 09/26/2013 5:35:52 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: SeekAndFind
No, you're a RINO because your ‘tactics’ are indistinguishable from the democrats tactics.
30 posted on 09/26/2013 5:36:51 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Logical me

It’s already history!


31 posted on 09/26/2013 5:37:05 PM PDT by lu shissler (ecause)
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To: SeekAndFind

Yes


32 posted on 09/26/2013 5:37:29 PM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: marron

I say the sooner the GOP-e party implodes, the sooner America can start the slow climb back into greatness, with conservatives leading the way! I how I wish this would have started in 2008 but most mainstream Republicans drank the kool aid from the RINOs running against Fred Thompson.


33 posted on 09/26/2013 5:40:45 PM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: SeekAndFind

Coburn lied about Newt during the election and I remember well how Fox News used his interviews to attack Newt. I smelled a rat then. He furthermore may disagree with Cruz but he attacked him in such a manner that there is no way to attribute anything except self servicing ill motives.


34 posted on 09/26/2013 5:41:08 PM PDT by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: SeekAndFind

Dr. Coburn, you became officially a RINO early in 2008 when you embraced John McPain before it was necessary to do so. Ever since then, you have moved steadily left. I wouldn’t vote for you in a primary if I were an OK voters. But as I understand it, you are not running again in 2016.


35 posted on 09/26/2013 5:41:26 PM PDT by Theodore R. (The grand pooh-bahs have spoken: "It's Jebbie's turn!")
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To: bmwcyle

It is interesting the Coburn and King and others of the same stripe don’t realize that their opportunity for leadership has passed. There is a mass of us that have lost patience with any tactic that sniffs of compromise. We want political war.

Man up Senator. Lead, follow or get out of the way.


36 posted on 09/26/2013 5:42:23 PM PDT by KC Burke (Officially since Memorial Day they are the Gimmie-crat Party.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Coburn, with his “good friend of Obama” schtick has given cover to Obama and made him seem reasonable to low-info types. Coburn has been a useful idiot to portray Obama as reaching beyond the aisle and seem reasonable. Gee, if he is buddies with such an “arch-conservative” as Coburn, he can’t be all bad. Coburn has been a perfect tool for Obama and his gang.

Coburn has strangely given Obama a pass for all his lying and corruption and thug tactics. The perfect useful idiot. Not a Rino but a Dupe with a capital D. Coburn has continually trashed other conservatives and Fox News at key moments and seems a regular for establishment cesspools like Morning Joe, Msnbc etc.


37 posted on 09/26/2013 5:46:49 PM PDT by Moorka
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To: DaveyB
Surrender is not a tactic!

No, but it's all these folks know.

38 posted on 09/26/2013 5:50:38 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The GOP establishment never learned the First Rule of Holes.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Mark Levin: Tom Coburn sounds like a “jerk” (2010)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tNw5i0-Kfo


39 posted on 09/26/2013 5:52:55 PM PDT by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: SeekAndFind

Tom Coburn Calls Newt Gingrich’s Leadership ‘Lacking’

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3imK5OEH8s


40 posted on 09/26/2013 5:55:57 PM PDT by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: SeekAndFind
"Wait, I’m a RINO now because I disagree with Ted Cruz on tactics?"

Yes Senator Coburn, you are a RINO, given you're ALL TALK and NO ACTION!!

Cruz has moved the ball forward, Coburn is a JERK for not supporting anything to kill OBozoCare!!

41 posted on 09/26/2013 5:59:06 PM PDT by harpu ( "...it's better to be hated for who you are than loved for someone you're not!")
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To: SeekAndFind

What did the Democrat expect when he opened his mouth? Coburn is a useful idiot who got played like Rubio.


42 posted on 09/26/2013 6:06:33 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: SeekAndFind

And Rick Perry had to pile on, too?

Perry: ObamaCare defunding effort ‘a bit nonsensical’

Has Abbott flipped or is he still supportive? Anyone know?


43 posted on 09/26/2013 6:25:56 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: DeWalt
King. So pissed I can’t type.

I hear ya bro. I think a lot of us are a tad warm under the collar. In fact, we are downright hostile right now.

44 posted on 09/26/2013 6:57:07 PM PDT by Mark17 (It is every liberal's job to destroy America, and every conservative's job to stop him.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Ted Cruz video to share:

http://therightscoop.com/ted-cruz-releases-new-video-called-makedclisten/


45 posted on 09/26/2013 7:12:47 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: SeekAndFind

Coburn loves Pelosi. Rino or not, that does it for me.


46 posted on 09/26/2013 7:46:02 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: SeekAndFind

Tom must be feeling some heat in Muskogee but not enough heat for him to just STFU and do as he is told. He has to get some licks in. In other words, he really does support Cruz but he just doesn’t think it will work so he doesn’t support Cruz.

He sent this clap trap out today. He fails the “So let your speech be yea, yea or nay, nay for to say more is of the devil.” test.

Q: Does Dr. Coburn support defunding Obamacare?

A: YES. Dr. Coburn has always supported efforts to delay, defund, and repeal Obamacare. Dr. Coburn offered his free market alternative to Obamacare, the Patient’s Choice Act, but it was blocked by Majority Leader Harry Reid. Dr. Coburn has since conducted extensive oversight on Obamacare (See here,here, here, and here.) In fact, Dr. Coburn has been involved with amending or destroying certain provisions of Obamacare nine times.

Q: Does Dr. Coburn support the Continuing Resolution (Including both House and Senate versions as of September 26, 2013)?

A: NO. Dr. Coburn has never supported continuing resolutions because they are short term budgetary band-aids that continue wasteful spending and duplication. Continuing Resolutions are an irresponsible way to fund the federal government. Further, this particular Continuing Resolution sets the fiscal year 2014 spending level at $20 billion more than the spending level promised in the Budget Control Act - the 2011 bipartisan agreement to reduce government spending - plus an additional $18 billion in short-term accounting gimmicks. This bill violates the spending restraint laid out in the Budget Control Act and increases government spending at a time when we are nearly $17 trillion in debt and borrowing 19 cents for every dollar we spend and adding to our debt nearly $26,000 every single second.

Q: Why doesn’t Dr. Coburn support the “Defund Obamacare Campaign” associated with the current CR?

A: Because attaching it to the CR is not achievable or strategically smart. Dr. Coburn has and will continue to support defunding Obamacare. The current “Defund Obamacare” campaign, however, is based on a false promise that has been used by special interest groups to bolster political careers instead of focusing on smart strategies that can actually weaken and destroy Obamacare. By coupling the issue with the CR, these groups are telling the American people that Republicans in Congress can actually defund Obamacare by not voting for the CR or by allowing the government to shut down. This is simply not true. Simply put: we cannot defund or replace Obamacare completely until we have a Republican supermajority in the House and Senate that can override a Presidential veto. Even then, Dr. Coburn questions if we could obtain all 67 votes in the Senate needed to override a veto. Additionally, the Congressional Research Service (CRS) issued a report which concluded that even if the government were to be shutdown, Obamacare would still live on, not least of because the power to continue its implementation would be given to President Obama. Again, if a shutdown occurred, Obamacare would remain nearly fully funded and implementation of the exchanges would still continue on October 1, 2013.

Q: How can Dr. Coburn support defunding Obamacare but not support the current “Defund Obamacare” strategy with the CR?

A: Because it is not achievable and has actually allowed for focus to be taken away from increased spending. Since there are not enough votes to secure defunding Obamacare and since Obamacare will live on even if a government shutdown occurs, conservatives should instead be focusing on the spending levels in the current CR. The House CR actually busts the budget caps set forth in the Budget Control Act (BCA) by $20 billion and includes $18 billion more in short-term accounting gimmicks; negating much of the savings found through the sequester.

Q: But no one is talking about shutting down the government, so why is Dr. Coburn still against the “Defund Obamacare with the CR”?

A: Because Dr. Coburn wants to shut down ALL wasteful and duplicative spending. The “Defund Obamacare” campaign has distracted true fiscal conservatives from the fact that the current CR increases spending. Dr. Coburn wants the debate surrounding the CR spending bill to focus on what is workable on spending, not misleading strategies meant to raise political profiles and campaign cash.

Just the Facts:

Dr. Coburn supports defunding Obamacare and is opposed to the CR, but Dr. Coburn disagrees with the misleading and ill-conceived “Defund Obamacare” strategy promulgated by special interest groups to bolster political careers and campaign coffers. Dr. Coburn wants to cut through the smoke and mirrors of DC rhetoric to get something done: SHUTDOWN ALL WASTEFUL SPENDING.

Supporting Documents:

Q and A


47 posted on 09/26/2013 8:47:14 PM PDT by Sequoyah101
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Vote him out. ...

Lucky, lucky you. Senator Coburn is a man who practices his beliefs. He term limited himself to 3 rounds in the House and 2 in the Senate. We Oklahomans grass rooted him in over strong GOPe opposition in 2004 and voted overwhelming to keep him in 2010. Since that means his seat will be vacant in 3 years, why don't you put yourself out there to take his place. Hmm?

Just because two good men have different views on how to proceed on an issue does not mean that one of them should be voted out over that one issue. Look at Dr Coburn's whole history in the US Senate before you judge him so quickly.

start here

48 posted on 09/27/2013 12:58:50 AM PDT by YankeeinOkieville (Obamanation [oh-bom-uh-nay-shuhn] n. -- ignorance and arrogance in the highest offices)
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To: SeekAndFind
Tom Coburn: Wait, I’m a RINO now because I disagree with Ted Cruz on tactics?

Yet another WORTHLESS bastard whose only tactic is to "blow to the galleries."

Pontificating your A$$ off Coburn doesn't change a thing.

As Cruz has stated.. "Either you're FOR IT or you're AGAINST IT."

49 posted on 09/27/2013 1:27:26 AM PDT by VideoDoctor
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RE: Coburn loves Pelosi. Rino or not, that does it for me.

What evidence is there for this?


50 posted on 09/27/2013 5:48:26 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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