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5 arrested in Northern California recycling fraud
Press Democrat ^ | September 26, 2013 | ASSOCIATED PRESS

Posted on 09/26/2013 7:32:07 PM PDT by rey

SACRAMENTO — California authorities have arrested five people who allegedly bought bottles and cans from recycling centers in Nevada and then redeemed them for cash in California, the California Department of Justice said Thursday.

The suspects were charged with conspiracy, grand theft and recycling fraud as part of the scheme valued at more than $300,000, officials said.

The five arrested — Gerardo Gomez-Vasquez, Magdalena Hernandez-Sebastian, Luis Aguirre-Alacon, Ludin Rosales-Valladares and Elfego Gonzalez-Ramos — are Nevada residents. Authorities say a sixth man, Argelio Hernandez-Torres, remains at large.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: California
KEYWORDS: greenfraud; recycling
Doing the jobs US citizens won't do.
1 posted on 09/26/2013 7:32:08 PM PDT by rey
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To: rey

How is a good illegal immigrant supposed to make a decent living around here? s/ Heck if California in going to pay exorbitant prices for recyclables I might just take some of my Florida trash out there.


2 posted on 09/26/2013 7:40:23 PM PDT by ImNotLying (The MSM bears a close resemblance to the world's oldest profession!)
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To: rey

Recycling fraud? Whoever heard of that?

I don’t see the problemo. They purchased the cans and bottles legitimately, then cashed them in to be recycled once again. The tree huggers should be proud!

I guess crossing state lines is a no-no.


3 posted on 09/26/2013 7:41:54 PM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: rey

Committing the recycling fraud that Americans just won’t do!


4 posted on 09/26/2013 7:43:06 PM PDT by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Go Egypt on 0bama)
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To: MichaelCorleone

Sounds like simple arbitrage with garbage


5 posted on 09/26/2013 7:46:39 PM PDT by kvanbrunt2 (i don't believe any court in this country is operating lawfully anyway)
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To: rey
Kramer said he crunched the numbers and it just won’t work.
6 posted on 09/26/2013 7:47:04 PM PDT by 4yearlurker (Democrats + Unions + Corruption= Detroit.)
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To: rey

How is this any different than currency arbitrage? Why is this illegal? Is there a law against this in California? How do the CA officials know the crushed glass and AL didn’t really originate in California?

The only thing I DON’T have a question about is the $50 million loss. You can be darn sure that if California passes a law, it WILL cause the state to lose money.


7 posted on 09/26/2013 7:48:01 PM PDT by moovova
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To: rey
I know its wrong, but golly gee....it at least shows a littel ambition and if the govt is going to set up these mandatory bottle laws what do we expect...

my elderly inlaws up until a couple of yrs ago would save every single soda can all year and when they went to Oregon, they'd turn them all in ...if they got $40 they'd be estatic....

8 posted on 09/26/2013 7:49:02 PM PDT by cherry
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To: rey

lol, how much you want to bet that they actually haven’t broken any laws.

Interstate commerce and all that, you know the stuff in the Constitution?


9 posted on 09/26/2013 7:57:15 PM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: rey; a fool in paradise

Free money, whadya espek? If you want it come and get it, but you’d better hurry ‘coz it may not last!


10 posted on 09/26/2013 8:00:28 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: rey

I’ll tell you about recycling fraud, when I was a little kid in California I would collect bottles wherever I could find them, at that time there was a three cent deposit. When I took a bottle in to a liquor store to recycle it I got three cents for every bottle. Skip forward to today, I pay a five cent deposit on cans and bottles but do I get five cents back for each one? Hell no I don’t, I get whatever the current scrap by weight price is, and it never comes anywhere near five cents. So it’s okay for the state to commit fraud but not others.


11 posted on 09/26/2013 8:08:12 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: moovova

Yeah, I find it hard to believe this can be illegal. Do they make you sign a form that you got the bottles in CA. Do you have to prove the can someone threw out of their car was actually purchased in CA?


12 posted on 09/26/2013 8:14:26 PM PDT by JLS
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To: moovova; rey
How is this any different than currency arbitrage? Why is this illegal? Is there a law against this in California? How do the CA officials know the crushed glass and AL didn’t really originate in California?

How does California's attempt to keep out Nevadan garbage not violate the commerce clause of the US Constitution?

13 posted on 09/26/2013 8:17:01 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not really out to get you.)
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To: rey

Doesn’t it seem a little weird, that every single one of them has two last names?


14 posted on 09/26/2013 8:17:16 PM PDT by Mark17 (It is every liberal's job to destroy America, and every conservative's job to stop him.)
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To: rey

So what did they do wrong?


15 posted on 09/26/2013 8:32:56 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Just wanted to say I hope you great NSA folks are enjoying my posts here.)
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To: MichaelCorleone

I don’t think too many criminals bother with this because the margins are so low. It’s probably much easier and more profitable to steal manhole covers or break into vacant houses and take all the wiring. I mean if you are going to risk getting busted, why not just do a real crime?


16 posted on 09/26/2013 8:34:36 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: rey

Well, they do say, “recycling pays”, right? I’m not seeing a problem here.


17 posted on 09/26/2013 8:39:06 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: JLS

The money gotten for returning the cans and bottles is called the CRV, for California Redemption Value. You pay it when you buy the beverage and you get it back when you return the empty. If the bottle is purchased in Nevada and redeemed in California, the person knows that they’re doing something wrong and, yes, illegal.

Recycling centers in CA have signs posted that all recyclables beyond a certain weight limit must be certified (I forget how) that they’re actually CA bottles and cans, specifically to prevent or reduce this kind of fraud.

They took a chance, they got caught, they lose. And I also found it strange that they all have hyphenated last names.


18 posted on 09/26/2013 8:42:41 PM PDT by Two Kids' Dad (((( ))))
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To: Two Kids' Dad

The lesson to be learned here is simple: Bring in just under the legal limit.

It may take a 100 trips, but is it illegal to scam a scammer?


19 posted on 09/26/2013 8:55:20 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Damn ObamaCare, full speed ahead!)
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To: moovova
You can be darn sure that if California passes a law, it WILL cause the state people of California to lose money.

Correctly stated.

20 posted on 09/26/2013 9:12:56 PM PDT by Bullish (Psalm 46)
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To: Mastador1

I pay a five cent deposit on cans and bottles ... I get whatever the current scrap by weight price is, and it never comes anywhere near five cents.
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That is undoubtedly FRAUD with a capital F , “deposit” has a specific meaning ... IT’S CLASS ACTION TIME.


21 posted on 09/26/2013 9:37:52 PM PDT by Neidermeyer (I used to be disgusted , now I try to be amused.)
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To: Mark17

No. It is a long standing custom in Spanish speaking countries to have 2 last names for official documents, while they use only one of the last names in casual social interaction. Since the arrest is official the full names were used.


22 posted on 09/26/2013 10:07:21 PM PDT by mwilli20 (BO. Making communists proud all over the world.)
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To: JLS

Wasn’t there a Seinfeld episode where Newman loaded up the postal truck one night with bottles from NY City and attempted to drive to Michigan...where he’d make more than in NY?


23 posted on 09/26/2013 10:17:11 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: rey

California, listen: “mess with the market, the market messes with you.”


24 posted on 09/26/2013 10:26:46 PM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: MichaelCorleone
I guess crossing state lines is a no-no.

From a response on the article page:

Yes, there is a CA law against bringing cans not sold in CA into CA and redeeming them. This is the kind of stupidity you get when your govt must control every aspect of your life, for your own good of course.

What a country! I suspect that such an opportunity (not to mention the law against it) could only be make sense in the bizarro world of socialist economics. A free market system would most likely preclude such an attempt.

It certainly seems like it should be reasonable to redeem such recyclable garbage across state lines. In fact, I'm sure thousands of Americans commit this very crime inadvertently, many times each year. It's pretty easy to see how a person could purchase an item in one state and accidentally redeem it in another.

25 posted on 09/26/2013 10:29:24 PM PDT by sargon (I don't like the sound of these here Boncentration Bamps!)
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To: 4yearlurker
"Kramer said he crunched the numbers and it just won’t work."

That's probably because they forgot to figure in the "free" use of Neuman's mail truck, remember???

26 posted on 09/26/2013 11:35:35 PM PDT by SierraWasp (I pledge to the USSA & 2 the democrazy for witch it stands, a nation with liberalism & misery 4 all!)
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To: Mastador1

collecting bottles was about the only way I ever have money when I was little...every year I figured I needed about $3 to buy a pair of sunglasses(white),a new blowup raft, and maybe a hat of some kind for vacation.....those were the days...


27 posted on 09/26/2013 11:51:56 PM PDT by cherry
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