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Would You Join a Third Party Founded by Ted Cruz?
Ricochet ^ | September 25, 2013 | Astonishing

Posted on 09/26/2013 9:56:04 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

I've properly taken to task Republicans who--in the heat of the present battle--are still attacking Ted Cruz and thereby effectively adding their voices to the Democrat choir that would blame Republicans for a government shutdown. (Their defeatist prophecy is sadly self-fulfilling.)

For that criticism, I've lately been accused of calling for a "purge" of impure Republicans.

Of course, I've never called for a purge, but the talk of purges makes me wonder if perhaps I and others like-minded should "purge" ourselves from the Republican Party.

No matter what you think about the current CR/Obamacare battle, it seems undeniable that the GOP rank-and-file is completely frustrated with the waffling Republican establishment and its intelligentsia. I'm accused of being unrealistic about the CR fight, but if I am unrealistic, then the GOP establishment's "realists" must also admit the reality that the GOP is coming apart before our eyes. Something must arise to replace it. (Perhaps that's a self-fulfilling prophecy, too. So be it!)

Is the time ripe for a third party?

Yes, I know very well such talk is usually quickly dismissed because a third party could not immediately become a viable "stand alone" alternative to the GOP.

But a third party split off from the GOP could immediately become a formidable political force by selectively aligning itself with the GOP and GOP candidates when the occasion required, but withholding support when the GOP refused to stand for our core principles.

Following a strategy of selectively aligning itself with the GOP, a new third party could eventually supplant the GOP rump by gradually siphoning off the Republican rank-and-file without ever reducing conservative clout by a single vote.

Would you join?

What are the core principles that a third party would need to uphold to in order to win your support?

I admit, I'm a bit of Wall Street Journal squish on immigration, but I could happily join with almost any collection of anti-immigrationists if they shared my views on a government of limited, express power, the rollback of government collectivism, reduced taxes, etc. Even though I am viscerally anti-abortion, I could even go along with a party platform that would explicitly leave that issue (and SSM) for the states to decide.

I guess you could say that, at the federal level, I'm almost libertarian, while at the state and local level, I'm a communitarian who believes citizens in local communities should be allowed to decide how to rule themselves, so long as core individual rights are respected. In other words, if the people of Berkeley want to worship the god of Mother Nature and tax themselves into oblivion, that's their business, because I don't have to live there. So far as I'm concerned , the people of California can vote to do pretty much whatever they want, so long as they don't expect us Texans to pay for it with federal tax dollars.

Would you join the New American Party?


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cruz; democrats; gop; republicans
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1 posted on 09/26/2013 9:56:05 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yes, I absolutely would. I’d welcome the opportunity since I have no intention of voting for another RINO again.


2 posted on 09/26/2013 9:58:31 PM PDT by uncitizen
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

LOL


3 posted on 09/26/2013 9:58:47 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Obama, Reid and Boehner have proven that it only takes 3 men to run the USA into the ground.

Boehner has been essential to Obama’s success, because Boehner has been deathly afraid of what The Media might say about him, if he ever actually did his job.

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We need Cruz to be the Majority Leader in the US Senate in 2014.

We need Col. Allen West to be the Speaker of the US House of Representatives, preferably by being voted in this year by the active House Members. (Members can chose anyone to be Speaker).

We need an Eisenhower-like Republican to be President whose ego will not be bruised as we carve down the virtually unlimited raw power of the POTUS.

Lee would be perfect as that kind of POTUS.

Palin is to far left for me in her anti-business words and deeds.

Palin is better than all Democrats, but not what America will need to recover from the GWB/Obama overspending Binge.

Palin wields a mean axe, so put her in Treasury where she can chop the damned IRS down to size.

A potential POTUS would be Senator Scott of SC. 15 years running a small business, speaks well, and seems to have the Eisenhower type of ego.

Defunding Obamacare will determine the level of Republican support of Republican Candidates in 2014.

Abolishing Obamacare, Democratcare or Republicancare will insure a landslide victory for the Republicans in the House and Senate, as the Senate democrats will lose too.

Failure to defund or abolish Obamacare will insure that The New Republican Party takes Cruz, Lee and a few others from the Senate. We will fight the Old-Style Surrender Republicans for control of the RNC in 2014-2016.

We have learned the hard way because we were taught by the masters of cowardice: the sorry, Surrender Republicans.

We learned how they played their ballgame of promise anything and then betray their own principles, as well as our trust.

We kept score: Dole, strike one; McCain, Strike 2; Romney, STRIKE THREE !

Now WE say: “BATTER UP !”


4 posted on 09/26/2013 9:59:28 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

As long as it takes tough stands on amnesty and abortion and stuff


5 posted on 09/26/2013 10:00:34 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Show me an Independent and I will show you an American that is thoroughly disgusted with “both” major Political Parties.

Usually these Independents see little difference between the various Party candidates who end up on the ballot.

Last year 9 million “Independents” who voted for McCain in 2008 chose not to vote for Romneycare or Obamacare in 2012. Good for Obamacare, bad for Romneycare.

Welfare Democrats and Surrender Republicans create most of the disgusted Independents, some of them even vote by holding their nose if they are not to disgusted to vote - - - .


6 posted on 09/26/2013 10:01:07 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The last time the democratic party killed off a rival political party, the event was proceeded by a civil war. This isn’t something that happens casually. If it happens, I speculate that it will probably be the ugliest thing that any of us have ever seen.


7 posted on 09/26/2013 10:03:19 PM PDT by RC one
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This question reminds me of when Pres. Reagan switched to the Republican party, which was around the same time my parents did, and for the same reason, they didn’t leave the Dem party, the dems left them.


8 posted on 09/26/2013 10:05:12 PM PDT by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m rather disgusted with “Party”. Party has been willing to do what is best for Party and not what is best for country. I’m not interested in joining any party for now. Not even one headed up by Cruz.


9 posted on 09/26/2013 10:05:18 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yes. As long as it isn’t just a subset of the GOP. That does NOT work.


10 posted on 09/26/2013 10:07:07 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t think we have reach there yet, but soon. Once USD collapse, bond bubble burst. Let see what GOP will do then. If they continue on the same path as DEM, then we truly don’t have a two party system, thats when we should leave GOP and form a new party


11 posted on 09/26/2013 10:08:26 PM PDT by 4rcane
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It would be a second party and yes I would.


12 posted on 09/26/2013 10:11:37 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Would you join the New American Party?

Put Sarah Palin for Prez, and Ted Cruz for veep and I'm on it like ... well, I can't post what I originally thought or the Admin Mods would have zotted Me (hint:some do knockout) so let's just say that such a duo would be such a knockout to the Dems if it ever came to pass that I might again begin to believe we are beginning to step away from the precipice.

13 posted on 09/26/2013 10:12:18 PM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yep. Or Sarah Palin, Rand Paul, or any of the others who remember what America is supposed to be like.


14 posted on 09/26/2013 10:14:56 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’d join so fast it would make the RINOs heads spin so fast their little heads would twist off their bloated bodies!


15 posted on 09/26/2013 10:15:52 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: Impala64ssa

The last time Reagan voted democrat for president was in 1948.

By 1952 Reagan was campaigning for Republicans as a “Democrat for Eisenhower”, he kept using that anti-liberal, conservative club until 1962.

In 1952 Reagan was campaigning for Republicans like Eisenhower who he campaigned for again in 1956, and then campaigned for Nixon against JFK in 1960, already having earned a reputation as an active speaker for conservatism for years.

Reagan formally registered Republican in 1962 and made a famous speech at the Goldwater convention in 1964.


16 posted on 09/26/2013 10:16:05 PM PDT by ansel12 ( 'I'm on That New Obama Diet... Every Day I Let Vladimir Putin Eat My Lunch' .)
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To: Graewoulf

Just put me in the White House. After the very quick RICO trial there will be a lot of familiar Democrat faces working on chain gangs for a long, long time. They’ll think that “Cool Hand Luke” had a walk in the park!


17 posted on 09/26/2013 10:17:59 PM PDT by The Duke
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To: The Duke

Done. You are in!


18 posted on 09/26/2013 10:19:11 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Yes. Though, the GOP has the same issue as the democrats.

A large majority of voters have no clue. They vote either R or D because that's the way they were raised and that's the way they are suppose to vote.

It's the reason that a lot of blue collar dems voted for Obama despite the fact that he's a communist progressive bent on "fundamentally changing" the America those blue collars support.

It's the same reason that a lot of steady republican voters don't realize that the vast majority of republicans congressmen are now simply democrat lite and are actively working against those that support smaller government.

You can lead a horse to water...

19 posted on 09/26/2013 10:22:07 PM PDT by Washi (She was Hannah Montana when Bush was president. Thanks a lot Barack Obama! :))
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To: Graewoulf; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; Liz; ...
RE :”We need Cruz to be the Majority Leader in the US Senate in 2014. We need Col. Allen West to be the Speaker of the US House of Representatives,”

Great point.

The sad reality is, and I am lone voice calling out this obvious fact, that January 3 not one pure house conservative, not one pure House Tea party member, not even one House member, not even tiger hero Lou Gomert was willing to step up and challenge Boehner as Speaker when it came to that vote.
Too easy to sit back like a AM radio host and complain.

Rush will NEVER talk about this but I sure will keep on.

.> No one will take Boners job,call your favorite pet house hero and ask him to run against him as speaker, I dare you. He will never return the call.
72 posted on Saturday, December 22, 2012 3:02:20 PM by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)

Get on the phone and call your favorite House member to run as Speaker and tell us what he said,
26 posted on Monday, December 24, 2012 1:58:08 AM by sickoflibs

Get someone to run against Bohner, its that simple.
52 posted on Tuesday, January 01, 2013 2:02:18 AM by sickoflibs

You should challenge them (your favorite house members) to oppose him as Speaker by running for it themselves now , this losing and then scape-goating whining stuff is long past old.
49 posted on Tuesday, January 01, 2013 1:46:45 AM by sickoflibs

20 posted on 09/26/2013 10:23:08 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: uncitizen

Real question should be: Would you join a 3rd party started by McPain?


21 posted on 09/26/2013 10:24:58 PM PDT by Darteaus94025 (Phony President)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’d approve of The Challenger Party. The Party would only support challengers to incumbents REGARDLESS of declared party affiliation.

Take the idea of re-election out of the minds of our reps and I think they’ll find a new accuity to their focus on doing what’s right for their constituents over what’s right for their party.


22 posted on 09/26/2013 10:26:55 PM PDT by REDWOOD99 ("Everyone should pay taxes. Everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: Utilizer
Would you join the New American Party?

Yes. I would prefer to call it the "Constitutionalists Party."

However, we should not be a party in opposition to the Republican party. Just as the far left took over the Democrat party we should take back the Republican Party to its original roots. This will take years but it can be done. For example if the contitutionlists have a choice between a hard left democrat or a McCain we should hold our nose and vote for a McCain. If we can primary someone like McCain and offer a viable candidate to oppose the Democrat it is "game on".

23 posted on 09/26/2013 10:31:48 PM PDT by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: sickoflibs; Windflier; All

I agree with you on our Esteemed Sobber of the House, a near perfect Surrender Republican.

I find that a Surrender Republican has these as his/her first two rules:

1.) Always surrender before a fight;

2.) Always cave in to one or more Democrats, preferably on camera.


24 posted on 09/26/2013 10:32:28 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yep, I would enthusiastically!


25 posted on 09/26/2013 10:32:54 PM PDT by tennmountainman (Just Say No To Obamacare)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

2dv, “ Would you join the New American Party “

Rab will fight to push out the puss & re-clim.

3rd can do, is a parallel common goal.

Keep on keepin on. May god bless and guide you, one and all.

Raben


26 posted on 09/26/2013 10:33:15 PM PDT by Rabin
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To: Utilizer

No... ‘Ted Cruz’ for Pres. .....He’s got the legal mind needed to face what’s ahead...and he’s taken on the entire congress. So I say any ticket should show Cruz at the top.....Sarah might have a role where they determine best...or she does...but I don’t believe she’s interested in running...she’s made that perfectly clear.


27 posted on 09/26/2013 10:33:54 PM PDT by caww
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To: RC one
The last time the democratic party killed off a rival political party, the event was proceeded by a civil war. This isn’t something that happens casually. If it happens, I speculate that it will probably be the ugliest thing that any of us have ever seen.

Please expand on this moment in history.

28 posted on 09/26/2013 10:34:19 PM PDT by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Absolutely... with full force!


29 posted on 09/26/2013 10:42:03 PM PDT by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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To: 4rcane

I agree...not there yet but it’s certainly cooking on the heads of many.

I’ve given some thought to this...and believe it’s possible to take back the party much faster than most think.....the Republicans will be showing us tomorrow just which side of the fence they are on....any whoever votes ‘for’ cloture’ have earmarked themselves as voting ‘FOR’ Obamacare’...and in doing so who needs to be voted out.

No matter the outcome...this vote of cloture shows us exactly where we need to line up strong candidates to oppose them....and maybe enough dirt on those not up for reelection to cause their resignation.

On the otherhand...if a third party was to be headed by Cruz and others of like minds....I think the American Grassroots people are strong enough and will only get stronger...to win against Hillary or any other they put up there. ....and I’d support that as well.

Either way...the fight is on!


30 posted on 09/26/2013 10:45:43 PM PDT by caww
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To: Graewoulf; Windflier; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; Liz; ...
RE :”I agree with you on our Esteemed Sobber of the House, a near perfect Surrender Republican.”

I think you missed my point.

Bohner has done nothing this year any different than he did 2011 to 2012 when he went to Pelosi for help to pass bills he couldn’t get enough GOP votes for. And those bills really sucked as he had to get Pelosi buy in to pass them. Bohner is half the man Pelosi is.

Yet he comes up for speaker election January 3 and NO ONE in House is the least bit interested on challenging him by running for Speaker themselves.

It goes right to your suggestion. Do any of them want the responsibility?

Anyone else call for this?

No one will take Boners job,call your favorite pet house hero and ask him to run against him as speaker, I dare you. He will never return the call.
72 posted on Saturday, December 22, 2012 3:02:20 PM by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)

Get on the phone and call your favorite House member to run as Speaker and tell us what he said,
26 posted on Monday, December 24, 2012 1:58:08 AM by sickoflibs

Get someone to run against Bohner, its that simple.
52 posted on Tuesday, January 01, 2013 2:02:18 AM by sickoflibs

You should challenge them (your favorite house members) to oppose him as Speaker by running for it themselves now , this losing and then scape-goating whining stuff is long past old.
49 posted on Tuesday, January 01, 2013 1:46:45 AM by sickoflibs

31 posted on 09/26/2013 10:48:47 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: cpdiii

whigs-civil war.


32 posted on 09/26/2013 10:50:03 PM PDT by RC one
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

As much as I am dissatisfied with the Republican party, I have no doubt that a third party would be like pissing in the wind.


33 posted on 09/26/2013 10:51:27 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: Irenic

I’m with you, we need a real movement to save our way of life.


34 posted on 09/26/2013 10:52:13 PM PDT by Rj Snows
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How about an amendment to ban political parties totally? That way everyone has to prove who they are by their deeds, not by their label. And you would have less mindless voters voting for my party, right or wrong. They’d actually have to listen to the candidate and find out where they stand on the issues.

Or at least run someone like Cruz as an independent. A Perot type might have won last year in a 3-way race. People are more disgusted with the parties than ever so you could use their labels against them with an independent.

Not to mention one problem with the Repubs is their cowardice and poor negotiation skills, not their ideology necessarily. So if you build a party on ideology, how do you stop them from making bad political moves?


35 posted on 09/26/2013 10:53:41 PM PDT by JediJones (Impeach Pennsylvania Attorney General Kathleen Kane for Derelection of Duty)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

YEP!


36 posted on 09/26/2013 10:55:16 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: AlexW

I think that’s what happening now


37 posted on 09/26/2013 10:59:09 PM PDT by Rj Snows
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To: caww
I’ve given some thought to this...and believe it’s possible to take back the party much faster than most think.....the Republicans will be showing us tomorrow just which side of the fence they are on....any whoever votes ‘for’ cloture’ have earmarked themselves as voting ‘FOR’ Obamacare’...and in doing so who needs to be voted out.

They already did that by who they endorsed in last year's primary. The line-up of who endorsed Romney before Newt and Rick dropped out lines up closely with those who are denouncing Cruz (not to mention those who backed the NSA spying). Guys like King, Coburn, McCain... There is no mystery about who the RINOs are in most cases.

38 posted on 09/26/2013 11:04:14 PM PDT by JediJones (Impeach Pennsylvania Attorney General Kathleen Kane for Derelection of Duty)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Absolutely, if it adhered to other points as spelled out by Alan Keyes and those of like mind.


39 posted on 09/26/2013 11:07:09 PM PDT by jobim (.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

In a heartbeat.


40 posted on 09/26/2013 11:12:10 PM PDT by Defiant (A rainbow curtain has descended upon the west, from Munich to San Francisco.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Stupid question.
I never subscribed to the "tribal" thing. I don't need to belong to a party to vote my choice of the best candidate.

I registered as a Democrat when I could first vote.
But I have voted Republican since 1964.
I see no reason to change now.

41 posted on 09/26/2013 11:14:34 PM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
No I would not.

It won't work, until ballot access laws are changed in most states, so that all partys have equal ballot access. In order to change ballot access the state legislators in Socialist Party D, and Socialist Party R would have to be convinced to change the laws in their state. I can't see that happening. If there were a new party established that suddenly became a threat to the D's, and the R's, the controlers from both partys would infiltrate the new party immediately.

As much as I hate to admit it there is only one way to solve the problem.

II Cronicles 7:14
If my people which are called by my name, shall humble themselves,and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways,then will Ihear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

42 posted on 09/26/2013 11:16:48 PM PDT by c-b 1 (Reporting from behind enemy lines, in occupied AZTLAN.)
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To: JediJones

It’s not just the Rhino’s who need to go Jedi.......this entire Healthcare issue is smoking out who is ‘for the American people’ and who is not. That was the major point of Cruz’s stand.....that ‘Republicans’ aren’t doing the “peoples” work they hired them for.

The Old guard needs to go as well....not just Rhino’s.


43 posted on 09/26/2013 11:17:17 PM PDT by caww
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To: Impala64ssa

I loved Ronald Reagan, and was his biggest fan, but I never bought into that line of his. The Dems in the 1930s were a combination of socialist and national socialist. One faction admired the Soviets, another the Nazis. Their policies emulated both in many respects, and they would have gone farther if they could. Reagan was a Dem in the 1930s. They didn’t leave him; he got educated. His experience in the 40s fighting communists in the unions was part of that. The biggest part was his tutelage under the President of GE in the 50s. Dems were actually less socialist in the 50s than in the 30s. They had gotten rid of their fringe element for the most part by then. (The fringe came back, though, in the 60s.)


44 posted on 09/26/2013 11:18:42 PM PDT by Defiant (A rainbow curtain has descended upon the west, from Munich to San Francisco.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

100% yes. I’ve already flushed the GOP down the sewer.


45 posted on 09/26/2013 11:19:43 PM PDT by tatown ("So a Hispanic shoots a black and is acquited by women, but it's still white men's fault.")
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To: c-b 1

<...” my people”....>

Do take note it’s ‘Gods people’ who are asked to humble themselves and turn from their wicked ways....not those who don’t know Him...they are simply the blind leading the blind.


46 posted on 09/26/2013 11:20:35 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

in.........


47 posted on 09/26/2013 11:24:02 PM PDT by is_is (VP Dad of Sgt. G - My Hero - "Sleep Well America......Your Marines have your Back")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
George Wallace....Perot...Buchannon...Nader...and all the other idiots who thought they were going to make a big difference....

I love Cruz.....but third party will hand another victory to the rats....you can bet THEY ARE COUNTING ON IT!

48 posted on 09/26/2013 11:28:56 PM PDT by cherry
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Would You Join a Third Party Founded by Ted Cruz?

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Nope. All that would accomplish is to guarantee a Hitlery election in 2016, and Sen. Cruz is too smart to commit political suicide by forming a third party.

What I'd like to see him and other conservatives advocate is that the Republican presidential candidate should be selected only by Republicans: no Rats or independents in the R primary. IMHO, it's largely because of open primaries that we get RINO nominees.

49 posted on 09/26/2013 11:32:11 PM PDT by stillonaroll
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

In a heartbeat.


50 posted on 09/26/2013 11:33:00 PM PDT by dfwgator
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