Skip to comments.Senator Says Politics Have Reached Civil War Levels
Posted on 09/27/2013 8:35:22 AM PDT by yoe
Sen. Tom Harkin to Congress: "We are at one of the most dangerous points in our history."
As the clock ticks down toward a possible government shutdown, Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, isn't holding back.
On the Senate floor before 10 a.m. Friday, the senator gave a speech describing how American politics have reached the level at which "a small group of willful men and women who have a certain ideology"read: the tea party and Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texashave been able to take over the congressional budget debate in the last week. "Since they can't get their way," Harkin said, "they're going to create this confusion and discourse and hope that the public will be so mixed up in who is to blame for this, that they'll blame both sides."
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Conservative talking heads along with the Libs and a smirking and belittling un-statesman like president, have lightly touched on this for days when criticizing Senator Ted Cruz for his efforts to explain and bring Obama's Socialized Medicine truthfully to the forefront....Tea Party/Grassroots Conservatives have successfully put the United States Constitution in the center of the debate. The United States Constitution stands to be even more diminished with the Obama Socialized Medicine.
Heed the words of (a man who has been where) Obama is taking the USA.
Wrong war, senator.
Well maybe if the democrats weren’t trying to impose servitude on the people.....
In 1856 pro-slavery Democrat Rep. Brooks repeatedly beat abolitionist Senator Sumner over the head with a cane. So we haven't really reached that point yet.
Did McCain write the speech for him?
Hey wussy, what part of "No" don't you understand?
They’re just noticing, eh?
Not a lot of room left for compromise.
I say let it get started.
Hey Kitten —I think your right.If I were to agree with the Democratic Party Senator wouldn’t we have heard about some jack beating another mere politician with his cane?I musta missed it.
Hope springs eternal ...
Harkin, along with the other Marxist are now simply afraid now that they are getting push back and people aern’t willingly handing in their freedoms to people like him and his gun-grabbing buddies who want to force every American to purchase something AGAINST their will!
I STAND FOR FREEDOM, Mr. Harkin, BRING WHAT IT MAY!
Don’t start nothin’, there won’t be nothin’.
Don’t start nothin’, there won’t be nothin’.
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Good, we need another to get rid of the ruling elite.
Just a tiny little problem with that though; they've forgotten that neither Anglo-Saxons nor Native Americans make very good slaves.
Or maybe that's the reason for the billion hollow-points?
Looks more like 1776 to me Senator.
Oh, I’m sorry Harkin that your nice little set up in Washington may get a little disturbed.....
Be careful what you wish for...
Harkin, do you remember which party forced the issue that led to the Civil War? Do you even remember what the issue was? Do you think it was a worthy cause?
Unfortunately, I think you are right: we are headed for some sort of show-down. But, it's because of your party's recalcitrance to read the writing on the wall, and your refusal to stop acting like tin-pot dictators.
These Senators and Representatives were elected to at least slow down the runaway federal government. And they are using the same procedures that your party has used to fuel and maintain the runaway federal government.
It takes two to tango. Every "threat" they have made would be meaningless unless you make a similar "counter-threat". You have tried to ignore the calls for fiscal restraint, and now you can't do it any longer.
"Then fill your hands you sonuvabitch!"
Well, I would love to see Hairy Reed beat with a cane on the senate floor.
Lincoln put it best when he stated that this country cannot forever remain half slave and half free.
We either all become slaves to the ruling class or we throw out the ruling class.
The ruling class can take a clean orderly exit like that of East Germany in 1989. Or they can make it a messy exit like that of Romania later the same year. The choice is theirs. If they choose chaos, there is no guarantee which direction it will take.
Boy these guys can’t wait for the fighting to break out.
They’ll be safe in their protected zones, and the poor folks they incite to engage in hostility will be slaughtered by the millions.
This guy should be jettisoned for even talking in terms like this.
As someone who shares bloodlines with both groups, I applaud your observation.
Best movie scene ever. I cut that clip and put it on a CD which I give out as gifts.
If ocare goes through the sh!t is gonna hit the fan!
It has been said “The South shall rise again” and it has. There is no doubt this time that the south along with some other states are standing for what is right. Yankee states are almost all blue now.
Remember, Harkin (isn’t he the clown who lied about serving in Vietnam?), YOUR party, the DEMOCRAT PARTY is the one that supports:
Slavery (19th Century),
Segregation (20th Century),
and Infanticide (21st Century).
Would that it were true. The Republicans don’t have the stomach for a real fight, 98% being panty-waist poseurs.
Won’t be a civil war. Would be the Revolutionary war.
The problem is actually quite simple. One group of people have damaged civil society by using the power of government to seize the liberty and property of their fellow Americans. Now when someone breaks into my house to take my things and threaten my life, I’m likely to get a bit testy.
The left created this crisis, maybe intentionally so. They don’t believe in a Republic where the minority is protected from the depredations of the majority. They believe in raw democracy, the right of the majority to control the minority in virtually any way.
So don’t blame conservatives for this conflict. We didn’t ask for this. We didn’t want to fundamentally transform America. In fact, many of us just wanted to be left alone to live our lives in peace. The Democrats will not leave us alone! What else can we do but fight back?
Ok so the hardliner Bolshevik’s in the ruling class are worried that mere peasants are rising up against them. seems to me Senator Harkin is doing nothing more than parroting the words of King George some 237 years ago.
Instead of the Civil War, he really means the War of Independence.
Completely changes preception of what is at stake.
So the opposition party to the dems will die and the freedom oriented remnants will form a new party and the dems will be the losers of the war....again...
I see no downside to this....
Sesecession yes, Civil War no. The Red State wienies don’t have the gumption to fight.
That same mix runs through my veins as well.
Give me Liberty or give me death.
Being opposed to the agenda of socialism and statism, and being in favor of limited government and capitalism is not extremism or fanaticism. It is both rational and objective because it is compatible with and mandated by the dictates of reason, the demands of reality, and the nature of man and the requirements for life proper to a rational being.
One of the main ending conclusions of a rational objective ethics is that initiation of force is a vice, and one of the beginning premises of a rational objective politics is that protection and preservation of natural rights and freedom is a virtue and one of the main legitimate functions of government. Any agenda that is compatible with both of these conclusions and premises is both rational and objectively good and so, cannot be extreme.
The Democrats are the slave holders. They seek to enslave everyone to an all powerful state. Conservatives, on the other hand, are the abolitionists. We want the right to live free from the strong hand of the federal government. We want the right to make our own decisions, even if some people think they can make better decisions for us.
0bamaCare will KILL YOU.
So I agree we are on the cusp of a Civil War.
Many of us won’t go down to literal DEATH without a fight.
The Party who has pledged to fundamental transform America is now upset that there are people who resist their transformation! Moreover, many of us know that the corrupt MSM continue to put their thumb on the electoral scale in favor of Democrats resulting in unfair, unjust electoral outcomes. So, you can cast blame all you want, the responsibility for another Revolutionary War rests with your corrupt Party.
Vigilanteman: “The half of America which didn’t vote for ObaMao has no desire to serve as slaves for the other half.”
They plunder half of America in order to give plunder to the other half and then they have the gall to complain we’re not civil anymore?????
Did the good senator just infer...
If you oppose us we will shoot you?
The probable outcome, in that instance, would be a balkanization of that territory once known as “the United States of America”
This can end amicably or badly, it is the call of the liberals now. Looking at an electoral map of the overall territory, the parts divided into “blue” and “red” shows a marked difference - the “red” portion is nearly contiguous, and the “blue” areas are fragmented, and cover far less total area.
The “red” country thus formed, would then be free to accept the words and legal precedents that are embodied in the Declaration of Independence, the original Constitution, the Bill of rights, and the remainder of the amendments with the exception of the 16th, 17th, 18th and its paired repeal, the 21st.
The number of small “blue” republics thus formed, may go ahead and set up whatever cockamamie social experiment governments they want.
The second order of business would be to set up a strictly enforced border between the “red” country, and each of these scattered little “blue” republics. Those who are dissatisfied with the region in which they find themselves at odds with the governing authority, are free to migrate to the region more to their preference, once it has been established they are sincere in their desire to relocate, and they swear allegiance to the ideals and aspirations of the prospective region to which they wish to emigrate.
These new divisions may or may not follow existing state boundaries, but they would be divided on the basis of Congressional districts, and the will of the people within that particular district to choose either the “red” designation or the “blue” designation.
And this is a problem, how? We have been in a war of words for this entire century. Let’s be done with it.