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Senator Says Politics Have Reached Civil War Levels
National Journal ^ | September 27, 2013 | Matt Berman

Posted on 09/27/2013 8:35:22 AM PDT by yoe

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To: yoe
the most extreme tea-party wing" of his party,

Being opposed to the agenda of socialism and statism, and being in favor of limited government and capitalism is not extremism or fanaticism. It is both rational and objective because it is compatible with and mandated by the dictates of reason, the demands of reality, and the nature of man and the requirements for life proper to a rational being.

One of the main ending conclusions of a rational objective ethics is that initiation of force is a vice, and one of the beginning premises of a rational objective politics is that protection and preservation of natural rights and freedom is a virtue and one of the main legitimate functions of government. Any agenda that is compatible with both of these conclusions and premises is both rational and objectively good and so, cannot be extreme.

41 posted on 09/27/2013 9:05:12 AM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: FoxInSocks

The Democrats are the slave holders. They seek to enslave everyone to an all powerful state. Conservatives, on the other hand, are the abolitionists. We want the right to live free from the strong hand of the federal government. We want the right to make our own decisions, even if some people think they can make better decisions for us.

42 posted on 09/27/2013 9:06:11 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: yoe

0bamaCare will KILL YOU.

So I agree we are on the cusp of a Civil War.

Many of us won’t go down to literal DEATH without a fight.

43 posted on 09/27/2013 9:07:14 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Ted Cruz for President!)
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To: CitizenUSA


The Party who has pledged to fundamental transform America is now upset that there are people who resist their transformation! Moreover, many of us know that the corrupt MSM continue to put their thumb on the electoral scale in favor of Democrats resulting in unfair, unjust electoral outcomes. So, you can cast blame all you want, the responsibility for another Revolutionary War rests with your corrupt Party.

44 posted on 09/27/2013 9:07:21 AM PDT by Obadiah (I Like Ted.)
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To: yoe
Correction: Sesecession yes, Civil War no. The Red Blue State wienies don’t have the gumption to fight.
45 posted on 09/27/2013 9:08:36 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Vigilanteman

Vigilanteman: “The half of America which didn’t vote for ObaMao has no desire to serve as slaves for the other half.”

They plunder half of America in order to give plunder to the other half and then they have the gall to complain we’re not civil anymore?????

46 posted on 09/27/2013 9:08:47 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: GraceG

Did the good senator just infer...
If you oppose us we will shoot you?

47 posted on 09/27/2013 9:10:42 AM PDT by DaveyB ("When injustice becomes the law; rebellion becomes duty." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Resolute Conservative

The probable outcome, in that instance, would be a balkanization of that territory once known as “the United States of America”

This can end amicably or badly, it is the call of the liberals now. Looking at an electoral map of the overall territory, the parts divided into “blue” and “red” shows a marked difference - the “red” portion is nearly contiguous, and the “blue” areas are fragmented, and cover far less total area.

The “red” country thus formed, would then be free to accept the words and legal precedents that are embodied in the Declaration of Independence, the original Constitution, the Bill of rights, and the remainder of the amendments with the exception of the 16th, 17th, 18th and its paired repeal, the 21st.

The number of small “blue” republics thus formed, may go ahead and set up whatever cockamamie social experiment governments they want.

The second order of business would be to set up a strictly enforced border between the “red” country, and each of these scattered little “blue” republics. Those who are dissatisfied with the region in which they find themselves at odds with the governing authority, are free to migrate to the region more to their preference, once it has been established they are sincere in their desire to relocate, and they swear allegiance to the ideals and aspirations of the prospective region to which they wish to emigrate.

These new divisions may or may not follow existing state boundaries, but they would be divided on the basis of Congressional districts, and the will of the people within that particular district to choose either the “red” designation or the “blue” designation.

49 posted on 09/27/2013 9:12:08 AM PDT by alloysteel (Those who deny natural climate change are forever doomed to stupidity. AGW is a LIE.)
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To: glennaro

And this is a problem, how? We have been in a war of words for this entire century. Let’s be done with it.

50 posted on 09/27/2013 9:13:47 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: Errant

Good for you. Don’t ever let them “civilize” us to the point where we’d make even so-so slaves.

51 posted on 09/27/2013 9:14:04 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: yoe
We seek a restoration, not a revolution.

It is the Marxist scum who are in the middle of the revolution... against the People of the United States and our Constitution!

52 posted on 09/27/2013 9:14:30 AM PDT by Gritty (This war against Islamism is being lost because it cannot even be acknowledged- Mark Steyn)
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To: yoe

Well, I would love to see Hairy Reed beat with a cane on the senate floor.

53 posted on 09/27/2013 9:16:30 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: DaveyB

well the opposition to the democrats are bomb throwing anarchist terrorists- right?

that’s what the WH spokesman said

dissent ain’t patriotic anymore

54 posted on 09/27/2013 9:17:27 AM PDT by silverleaf (Going to war without the French is like going hunting without an accordion.)
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To: Obadiah

Frankly, I don’t care if the Democrats have a voting majority. I mean, seriously, we aren’t a democracy. The majority has no moral or legal right to do whatever it damn well pleases. We have rules. We fought a revolution and created this contract called the US Constitution that was meant to protect minorities from the depredations of political majorities.

Well, they’ve warped the US Constitution beyond all possible recognition. Government nowadays can apparently do whatever it wants EXCEPT pass laws against sodomy or restrict abortion.

Democrats use the law of the land to seize powers that do not legitimately and morally belong to them. Who are they trying to kid? They make the laws up as they go and only obey them when it serves their purposes, and then they just expect everyone else to go along with that, because “we voted, and it’s the law of the land.” BS!

55 posted on 09/27/2013 9:17:32 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: Vigilanteman

Back at you brother. Be assured if a faithful day arrives, we’ll keep the faith.

56 posted on 09/27/2013 9:21:50 AM PDT by Errant
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To: yoe

Well...we knew Civil War was likely coming....better it happen in the CONGRESS....altho I doubt that’s where it’ll stay....that’s where our battles are MEANT to be fought figuratively. Just that many have made it into a social club.

57 posted on 09/27/2013 9:27:25 AM PDT by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: yoe; Old Sarge; 2ndDivisionVet; JRandomFreeper; dfwgator; Lazamataz; humblegunner; Vendome; ...

Better to die with fellows patriots in Serenity Valley than on the 'DemonRats' plantation!

58 posted on 09/27/2013 9:29:27 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Georgia Girl 2
Looks more like 1776 to me Senator

Correct.... We are in REVOLUTION (not shooting yet but revolution nun the less). Revolution is overthrow of oppression not succession, though it may come to that as well.

59 posted on 09/27/2013 9:32:41 AM PDT by thegrump
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To: yoe

I’m fine with that. We all know it’s coming. Let’s get it over with.

60 posted on 09/27/2013 9:35:48 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo ( Walker 2016)
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