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Comparing Black Civil Rights to Gay Civil Rights
Townhall ^ | 09/27/2013 | Michael Brown

Posted on 09/27/2013 9:11:48 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

The cover of the December 16, 2008 issue of The Advocate, the flagship gay publication, proclaimed boldly that, “Gay is the New Black,” stating that this is “The Last Great Civil Rights Struggle.” But whenever I mention this topic on my national talk radio show, asking my listeners if they believe it is fair to equate the black Civil Rights movement with today’s gay rights movement, I am flooded with African American callers who take strong exception to this comparison.

Some of them remind me of the public lynchings, of blacks being hosed down with fire hoses and attacked by police dogs, of families having to spend the night sleeping in their car because the hotels wouldn’t serve them, of water fountains marked “No coloreds” – not to mention the horrible history of African slavery in our nation.

They feel that gays and lesbians are hijacking their movement, even if they recognize that there has been real suffering experienced by many LGBT individuals. They simply feel that the comparison is totally unfair, also pointing out that the financial situation of the average gay or lesbian in America today is far better than the average situation of an African American during the days of segregation (or even today, for that matter).

Of course, there are quite a few compelling reasons why it is wrong to claim that “gay is the new black” (for a relevant article, click here), but during a recent TV interview, I made the comment that “during the days of segregation, we didn’t have people like Ellen DeGeneres who were national celebrities who were black and just loved by the whole nation.”

For this, I was mocked by RightWingWatch.org (always a good sign) and ridiculed by the ironically named gay activist website TruthWinsOut.org (always a badge of honor). Both sites pointed to people like Jackie Robinson, Althea Gibson, Sidney Poitier, Dorothy Dandridge, Harry Belafonte, Bo Diddley, Fats Domino, Chuck Berry, and Langston Hughes, none of whom, in my opinion, could be compared with someone like Ellen DeGeneres in terms of her platform and popularity.

And did any of these black celebrities have an interracial wedding of such prominence that it was celebrated on the front pages of our national magazines (as Ellen’s lesbian wedding was)? (To be clear: I’m not comparing interracial marriage with same-sex “marriage.” I’m simply illustrating a point.)

And when Jackie Robinson broke the color barrier in the big leagues, did he receive a congratulatory call from the president, as did Jason Collins when he came out as the first gay NBA player?

Even the conservative gay journalist Charles Winecoff once wrote, “Newsflash: blacks in America didn’t start out as hip-hop fashion designers; they were slaves. There’s a big difference between being able to enjoy a civil union with the same sex partner of your choice – and not being able to drink out of a water fountain, eat at a lunch counter, or use a rest room because you don’t have the right skin color.”

But let’s test my theory a little further, since I simply used Ellen as one example of a larger phenomenon, and I do understand why these websites chose to challenge me on that point.

So, I personally invite Evan Hurst, who penned the aforementioned article on TruthWinsOut, along with Kyle Mantyla, who wrote the article on RightWingWatch, to help fill in the gaps of my apparent historical ignorance.

Should they prove me wrong in my assumptions about the false nature of the “gay rights equals black rights” social comparison, I will gladly admit my error. Should they be unable to answer my simple questions, I hope they would have the candor to admit their error.

Looking at the list of the 50 most powerful gay Americans (according to Out.com), and using 1964 as an end date for official segregation (with the passing of the Civil Rights Act), would someone please be kind enough to let me know who the pre-1964 African American equivalents were for the following gay leaders:

Suze Orman, the national TV host and respected financial guru. (No one comes to mind? Really?)

Anderson Cooper, one of the most familiar faces on CNN, and Rachel Maddow, of MSNBC fame. (What? No similarly famous, national black newscasters prior to 1964?)

Annise Parker, mayor of Houston. (So, there were no black mayors of major American cities prior to 1964?)

David Geffen, one of the most powerful media moguls. (Surely you have a list of black Americans during the days of segregation who carried the clout that Geffen carried, right?)

Tim Cook, CEO of Apple. (How about just one black CEO of any of the Fortune 500 companies in America before 1964, let alone the CEO of the 6th-ranked company on the most recent list?)

Well, these are just a few to get us started, so it should be pretty easy to provide me with answers, right? After all, if it’s idiotic to say that we cannot fairly compare the social situation of gays in America today to the social situation of African Americans in the days of segregation (again, without even mentioning their prior, horrific mistreatment in our nation as slaves), then it should be relatively easy to answer my questions. Evan and Kyle, I’m all ears!

That being said, I stand with Evan and Kyle in denouncing any acts of violence or hatred against any person who identifies as LGBT, and one gay kid bullied by his peers at school is one too many.

So, I’m not minimizing the poor treatment experienced by many gays and lesbians in America to this day. I’m simply saying that it is grossly inaccurate to compare the current “gay rights” movement with the black Civil Rights movement of the past, not to mention downright insulting to African Americans.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: blacks; civilrights; gayrights; homosexuality

1 posted on 09/27/2013 9:11:48 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I cannot get any joy of seeing real rainbows anymore since the deviants have hijacked the image.


2 posted on 09/27/2013 9:20:55 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: SeekAndFind

Um, no.

Black Americans suffered pure, unadulterated hate and violence. The violation of their civil rights was systemic.

Homosexuals have not endured anything even remotely close to what black Americans suffered. To compare the two movements is a disgusting insult to black Americans who were humiliated, beaten, tortured, raped, burned, and hanged.


3 posted on 09/27/2013 9:21:06 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: SeekAndFind

I stand with Alveda King whose father—and Uncle were murdered because of the color of their skin. She said she knows of no gays who were lynched because of the color of their skin. she said calling Gay rights a civil right would be the “death of the civil rights movement” see The Washington Times Jan.1999 Julia Duine story. I stand with General Colin Powell who published that comparing sexual Orientation to Skin Color was a convenient but invalid argument.” And who has been penalized for that.I sat in a room at Mesa College and heard a self
proclaimed “gay Rights Advocate” claim passage of Amendment #2 by Colorado cause the gay community to suffer PTSD “just like” Combat veterans. I was the only one in that room with the nerve to ask Who defines who is “gay” — she admitted she went to the Southern States to “learn” how the treatment of the former African slaves could serve their “cause” She went to Germany to “learn” how the Nazi Concentration Camps and the Holocaust could be used to “piggyback” their “cause”
to a righteous cause. She diagnosed herself as suffering PTSD because of Colorado Passing Amendment #2. Yet I have seen Combat—and I have spent nearly 8 yrs as a combat Medic in the US Army I am diagnosed by the Veterans Administration as having bi-polar (of the same family as PTSD. I survived
Colorado after we voted YES to Amendment#2 And the Hollywood
act of Boycot Colorado and the years following passage of Amendment #2 in No way compared to Combat—nor could it be rightly said to cause PTSD.


4 posted on 09/27/2013 9:36:20 AM PDT by Robert Burkholder
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To: Resolute Conservative

Lawsiut!


5 posted on 09/27/2013 9:39:51 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (From time to time the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.)
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To: Resolute Conservative

Lawsuit!


6 posted on 09/27/2013 9:40:08 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (From time to time the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t recall Blacks referring specifically to their sexual practices in their struggle, if at all.

With queers that is ALL and EVERYTHING it’s about.

(The down-low is a separate issue.)


7 posted on 09/27/2013 9:40:49 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: SeekAndFind
this is “The Last Great Civil Rights Struggle.”

Sorry....but there are a great many more on the horizon.

Just as an example; What happens when artificial human forms gain sentience and demand to be treated as humans?

These self important faggots live in a sexual centric universe and that seems to have affected their ability to conceive of future time.

8 posted on 09/27/2013 9:42:36 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (So Obama "inherited" a mess? Firemen "inherit" messes too. Ever see one put gasoline on it?)
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To: SeekAndFind

While I am highly suspect of the high percentage of the black community who are on the left side of the bell curve, on this issue blacks have every right to be upset with the vile deviants even thinking their struggle to freely fudge pack is in anyway similar to the REAL pain and suffering of blacks which occurred long before I was born.


9 posted on 09/27/2013 9:43:18 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam! 969)
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To: Resolute Conservative

Black is an ancestry.

“Gay” is a behavior, and a sexually perverted one at that.


10 posted on 09/27/2013 9:44:26 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Blacks were kept and sold as slaves. They were victims of massive discrimination. Gays, let’s see. The males had aids, which they got through their own actions, and they managed skillfully to turn into a reason for becoming a victim group, which suddenly included females, and lo and behold, the BI and T crowd.

Blacks needed to fight for their rights. The other group invented victimhood.


11 posted on 09/27/2013 9:46:39 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Maybe we should get Cory Booker’s advice?


12 posted on 09/27/2013 9:47:10 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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To: SeekAndFind

fodase civil rights canard

its been way overplayed for blacks

our nation and culture are in ruins

a mere shadow of our former cohesiveness

and still folks shill victimhood


13 posted on 09/27/2013 9:49:35 AM PDT by wardaddy (the next Dark Ages are coming as Western Civilization crumbles with nary a whimper)
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To: Westbrook
Yup. I didn't agree with Gore Vidal on too many things, but he never liked being called a homosexual. He thought it was improper use of language. He made the point that you canot BE homosexual and you cannot BE heterosexual. What you can do is enagage in either homosexual acts or heterosexual acts at various times in your life. It's all about the behavior.

This completely raises the topic of free will, personal change, and lifestyle choices. Modern homosexual activists do NOT appreciate this sort of viewpoint.

14 posted on 09/27/2013 9:50:28 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (21st century. I'm not a fan.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The Liberals already hijacked your futures, now they are hijacking your Blackness.


15 posted on 09/27/2013 9:50:56 AM PDT by DeWalt
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Besides, one of the most brutal attacks on a ethnic or religious group, the homosexuals took an active part in, ie.Hitlers Brown Shirts.


16 posted on 09/27/2013 9:55:37 AM PDT by DeWalt
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To: SeekAndFind
No homosexual American has ever had their rights denied because they were per se homosexuals. For instance, no homosexual has ever been denied the right to marry. It's just the rules stated you had to marry someone of the opposite sex. No homosexual has ever been denied the right to march in a parade. Only when they tried to use their sexual identity for political gain were they turned down. But not because they were homosexuals.

Undoubtedly, tens of thousands of homosexuals have probably marched in the St. Patrick's Day Parade over the decades. But few people probably knew they were homosexuals. Because they weren't carrying banners announcing their sexuality.

17 posted on 09/27/2013 9:55:58 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: I want the USA back

Don’t you dare forget the self-described “queers,” who consider themselves to be separate from lesbians, gays, bisexuals, and trans!


18 posted on 09/27/2013 9:57:34 AM PDT by Thoreauaway
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To: SeekAndFind

Black is something a person is. Homosexual is something a person chooses. It is a behavior. They might as well say there should be special rights for people that like to hump animals. Oh, wait, they do say that.


19 posted on 09/27/2013 9:59:54 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: driftless2

There are no special class of rights given under the Constitution to a persons sexual perversions. There are no gay rights, pedophilia rights, or necrophilia rights.


20 posted on 09/27/2013 10:04:35 AM PDT by DeWalt
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To: SeekAndFind

The Black civil rights movement and the Gay civil rights movements are the same. They are both frauds led and financed by hard core Leftist and Communists.


21 posted on 09/27/2013 10:14:26 AM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Blacks in the 60s marched in their good clothes, were orderly, and sang Christian songs.

Gays wear skimpy outfits or are nude, carry signs with filthy messages about their sexual habits, and they march against people not wanting to know about their sex life.


22 posted on 09/27/2013 10:19:19 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: BuckeyeTexan

There is a difference between discrimination for how you are born vs. the way you behave.


23 posted on 09/27/2013 10:26:26 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: I want the USA back

Don’t care. Blacks vote overwhelmingly for politicians in lock step with homosexual activists.


24 posted on 09/27/2013 10:47:35 AM PDT by Augustinian monk ("BUSHES WITHOUT BORDERS")
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

The difference is more than discrimination. Being discriminated against means that you are treated unfairly by someone who has something against you.

Black Americans were not merely treated unfairly. They were severely violated. There is no comparison.

A gay person does not put his or her life at risk by sitting in the wrong seat, drinking from the wrong fountain, or walking down the wrong street at the wrong time of day.

One Matthew Sheppard does not equal countless dead black men and women.


25 posted on 09/27/2013 10:53:50 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: BuckeyeTexan; SeekAndFind; Resolute Conservative
I'm surprised he didn't reference the one really significant difference, which is that black people became the target of disapproval for what they are --- people with black skins, people who are the descendants of slaves, people whose ancestors came from sub-Saharan Africa --- but homosexuals were and are disapproved for what they do.

And this is not discriminatory: many people disapproved, and I disapprove, a heterosexual who advertises a preference for immoral or unnatural sex practices (e.g. man-woman promiscuity, man-woman adultery, man-woman sadism, man-woman sodomy) as much as I disapprove a homosexual who does the same.

Historically, many or most people who had occasional or persisting same-sex feelings, got married, engaged in procreative sexual union with their spouses, and had kids the same as everybody else. They resisted their homosexual attractions just like the rest of us resist our adulterous attractions.

They didn't vamp and stamp and camp in public. And they sure didn't insist that everybody else shower them with rose-petals, solemnize their quirks, and subsidize their sterile modus vivendi.

26 posted on 09/27/2013 11:46:50 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("To compel a man to fund the propagation of ideas he abhors, is sinful and tyrannical." T. Jefferson)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

RE: homosexuals were and are disapproved for what they do.

Not defending the queers... but their counter-argument is and has always been -— they do what they do because of what they are.

Remember the gay adage “We were born this way”.


27 posted on 09/27/2013 11:49:28 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Even if they were "born this way,"-— they don't do what they do because of what they are.

Every person born has innate tendencies which must be re-trained, refined, or resisted. A convincing case could be made, for instance, that most males are wired for random promiscuity. Lifelong exclusive faithful monogamy is not "what comes naturally." But it's what a sound moral code requires.

A person who claims they actually cannot control how they sexually act out, shouldn't be allowed out in public without a keeper.

28 posted on 09/27/2013 12:39:43 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("To compel a man to fund the propagation of ideas he abhors, is sinful and tyrannical." T. Jefferson)
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To: SeekAndFind; Mrs. Don-o

Mrs don-o, you’re correct. It is about actions versus attributes.

To the argument that some homosexuals are born that way, I would say it is possible. It could be a neurological disorder. In which case, they should seek a cure from science or healing from God. Born that way or not, engaging in perversion is sinful.

We are all born sinners and are susceptible to temptation. That doesn’t make engaging in sin natural and acceptable. We must resist the temptation to sin every day.


29 posted on 09/27/2013 12:43:28 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s time to advocate for straight, honest, hard-working, patriotic Americans’ rights.


30 posted on 09/27/2013 2:18:13 PM PDT by Amagi (God Save the Republic.)
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To: SeekAndFind
I was watching C-SPAN in the middle of the night, several years ago and a bunch of gay groups were having their yearly meeting during which they declared that, since they had lost "the moral argument", they were going to switch to making their cause a civil rights issue.

They were going to claim they were victims of bigotry and discrimination. I just can't believe Black civil rights leaders have allowed them to get away with it.

31 posted on 09/27/2013 2:26:03 PM PDT by Deb (If you wanna laugh everyday, follow Deepak Chopra on Twitter)
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To: SeekAndFind

The homosexuals stole the word gay to use in making their perversion seem okay dokay and now they want to steal the Civil Rights Movement wear as a clock of respectability


32 posted on 09/27/2013 2:29:34 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to sign for the American Revolution 2013 and the Crusades 2013?)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

‘this is “The Last Great Civil Rights Struggle.”
Sorry....but there are a great many more on the horizon.’

Exactly. The leftists/marxists/socialists know that “civil rights” is a cash cow for them as well as way to whip up voters ignorant of true history into a frenzy who will increase the power of the government into every area of our lives.


33 posted on 09/27/2013 4:24:08 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: Mrs. Don-o

“A person who claims they actually cannot control how they sexually act out, shouldn’t be allowed out in public without a keeper.”

Be careful, Mrs. Don-o. That statement would probably be considered “hate speech”. I figure it’s only a matter of time before the pedophiles and zoophiles jump on this “I can’t control myself! I need civil rights!” bus.


34 posted on 09/27/2013 4:27:38 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: Deb

Just curious, did they define what they thought the “moral argument” that they lost was?


35 posted on 09/27/2013 4:28:41 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: ReformationFan
Pedos are already making their moves. International "human rights" orgs as well as "health advocates" are putting the theme out there that "children are sexual beings" and that "everyone has a right to express themselves sexually." Gay-Straight Alliances are basically youth sex clubs, and they are all over the high schools and middle schools in both Canada and the USA.

And look who their sponsors are: (Link) Disney, Mattell, Wells Fargo Bank, AT&T, IBM, GoldmanSachs, the NBA!

So be a good sport!

This is all a cover, a venue, a curtain-raiser for the pedos.

36 posted on 09/27/2013 5:23:48 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Jesus, my Lord, my God, my all.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

bump


37 posted on 09/27/2013 5:27:18 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Looks like you’re correct-

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3071543/posts


38 posted on 09/28/2013 10:22:13 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: ReformationFan

They were talking about “morality”. People/voters felt homosexuality was immoral so they decided civil rights or “fairness” would be a better approach. Guess they were right.


39 posted on 10/01/2013 3:26:22 PM PDT by Deb (If you wanna laugh everyday, follow Deepak Chopra on Twitter)
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