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Seymour Hersh on Obama, NSA and the 'pathetic' American media
Guardian ^

Posted on 09/27/2013 9:35:17 AM PDT by navysealdad

Seymour Hersh has got some extreme ideas on how to fix journalism – close down the news bureaus of NBC and ABC, sack 90% of editors in publishing and get back to the fundamental job of journalists which, he says, is to be an outsider.

(Excerpt) Read more at theguardian.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: mediabias; msm

1 posted on 09/27/2013 9:35:17 AM PDT by navysealdad
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To: navysealdad

Paging Peter Zenger.


2 posted on 09/27/2013 9:39:38 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: navysealdad

It’s interesting to note that even an extreme left-wing pub such as the Guardian is to the right of our MSM. And - their writing is of much higher quality.

By and large, they also appear to be much more intelligent than our sorry lib arts bottom-O-the-SAT dwellers.

(I’ll neglect the glow-bull warming clowns - which are pretty consistent in their scientific ignorance on both sides of the pond.)


3 posted on 09/27/2013 9:41:00 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: navysealdad
"I have this sort of heuristic view that journalism, we possibly offer hope because the world is clearly run by total nincompoops more than ever … Not that journalism is always wonderful, it's not, but at least we offer some way out, some integrity."

Translation: I'm a journalist and I'm always the smartest guy in the room.

4 posted on 09/27/2013 9:41:03 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (21st century. I'm not a fan.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
"journalist"

I'm always amused when "journalists" make statements about how they're just the recorders of what goes on in the world when they're the biggest purveyors of lib/leftism and the gatekeepers who keep the pertinent news/info away from the rest of the country.

5 posted on 09/27/2013 9:51:26 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: navysealdad
– or the death of Osama bin Laden. "Nothing's been done about that story, it's one big lie, not one word of it is true," he says of the dramatic US Navy Seals raid in 2011.

couldn't agree more. I'd love for someone...ANYONE...to dig into this story and tell us the truth!

6 posted on 09/27/2013 9:53:25 AM PDT by pgkdan
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To: navysealdad

At one time reporters were told to ask: who, what, when, where, and why? The news pages had the facts, no matter who the facts made look bad, and the editorial pages had the opinions. Objectivity in journalism, as well as long hours of investigative work to validate the facts, went away when the Marxists took over the journalism schools. Today, the White House sends out a spin story via email or fax and the media in unison spout the talking points within minutes. News today is emotion based propaganda with zero effort to seek the truth, much less back the story up with hard cold facts.

The only way to change the media is for a conservative billionaire to purchase a major network, or a chain of newspapers, and to force the reporters to report news objectively as well as shift the balance of opinions on the editorial pages. Reform will not occur in the leftist journalism schools and the leftist editors and reporters will certainly not reform themselves.


7 posted on 09/27/2013 9:55:03 AM PDT by Soul of the South (Yesterday is gone. Today will be what we make of it.)
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To: navysealdad
Unlike Seymour Hersh, a rank radical leftist and muckmaker against all things conservative, the founding fathers did not place the First Amendment in primary position of all the Bill of Rights because they were enamored of the nobility of the press of their day.

The founding fathers held a very realistic rather than moralistic regard for the press and assumed that it would behave as it always had, that is, scurrilously and avariciously but in pursuing their own selfish interests they would perform the public weal a service and expose the scurrilousness and avariciousness of politicians.

Seymour Hersh has entirely too high an opinion of himself and his colleagues.


8 posted on 09/27/2013 9:55:14 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: navysealdad

Interesting. Perhaps, but I won’t hold my breath, some liberals will break out of the protect Obama at all costs mentality. The more likely outcome, however, will be to label Seymour an addlebrained old fool.


9 posted on 09/27/2013 9:58:08 AM PDT by Robert DeLong (u)
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To: navysealdad

10 posted on 09/27/2013 10:20:39 AM PDT by LyinLibs (If victims of islam were more "islamophobic," maybe they'd still be alive.)
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To: Robert DeLong
ome liberals will break out of the protect Obama at all costs mentality.

There's a current thread about NBC launching a week of programming to help launch Obamacare.

Weren't they the ones that did a NFL in a dark studio to "save the planet"?

11 posted on 09/27/2013 10:34:29 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: pgkdan
couldn't agree more. I'd love for someone...ANYONE...to dig into this story and tell us the truth!

Me three. "Buried @ sea ....". Sure.

12 posted on 09/27/2013 11:13:48 AM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (I remember when a President having an "enemies list" was a scandal. Now, they have a kill list.)
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To: navysealdad

“Too much of it seems to me is looking for prizes. It’s journalism looking for the Pulitzer Prize,”

BS! What journalists are these days is simply another arm of the Obama press office. They are ideologues who want to see the ‘total transformation’ of America. They are not interested in facts.

Seymour should be at least a little more honest about this!


13 posted on 09/27/2013 11:46:58 AM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: navysealdad
This guy is super smart..!

Being a DC liberal insider, ole Seymore is consummately a part of the HUGE problem. Yet all the slurping sounds made by pressitutes bestowing sloppy BJ's on GayMuzzie are so ear-shattering --even by the backAlleySally standards that prevail in DC-- that ole Seymore knows he has to get out in front of it, somehow.

Time to get Mavericky..!

So he hooks up his tweed blazer with the leather elbow patches and puts down his pipe, and starts googling stuff that REAL AMERICANS do and say and think.

Quite a new experience for him.

Remember when Kerry MOSEYED INTO that gun shop and asked, "Where do I buy ME a HUNTIN'''' licence?" ??

Remember that?

Kay, well this article is exactly THAT.

14 posted on 09/27/2013 11:47:11 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: Calvin Locke

You got me on that question, but it wouldn’t surprise me if that were the case.


15 posted on 09/27/2013 12:09:53 PM PDT by Robert DeLong (u)
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To: pgkdan
20 SEALs who died aboard ONE helicopter in Afghanistan won't be able to shed any light..

Maybe the black box from that helicopter has some clues.. Oh wait, the "black box got washed away in a flash flood"!!

16 posted on 09/27/2013 12:16:20 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (If Americans were as concerned for their country as Egyptians are, Obama would be ousted!)
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To: Soul of the South

..and ‘HOW’!


17 posted on 09/27/2013 12:18:42 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (If Americans were as concerned for their country as Egyptians are, Obama would be ousted!)
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To: nathanbedford

Agree. Hersh has ridden his VietNam expose’ days like a hobby horse for forty years. His grandiosity is epidemic among the MSMers. If he’s so concerned let him un-ass himself and go out and do some reporting.


18 posted on 09/27/2013 1:07:58 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: navysealdad

I was in the media for about half of my adult life, and most of the complaints about it are understated. The problem isn’t bias, though. All writers carry with them some sort of bias about the world, and that bias is found in all writing. The problem is honesty about the bias.

Somewhere in the mid-20th century journalists started thinking of themselves as objective gatekeepers of information, to paraphrase Walter Lippmann’s phrase. That’s the moment that the stereotype of the reporter changed from a hard-drinking failed novelist to the Watergate-style advocate changing the world for the better. Readers recognize the hypocrisy of some writer telling them about objectivity when the bias is obvious to see, so circulation declines and people stop believing the media. As well they should, speaking as someone who was inside the business.

That’s also why Rush and Levin - and Colbert and Mahar - have loyal audiences. Rush’s bias is out there for everyone to see, and a listener can gauge reaction based on what is known about Rush’s beliefs and attitudes. If the New York Times simply admitted they’re a socialist mouthpiece for the American left, their circulation would skyrocket.

I saw this when I was the editor a little newspaper in Oregon. Every week I would publish a “this week in history” section of the editorial. I’d go back to the microfilm files of the three newspapers in that town - one paper for the Republicans (progressives), one for the Democrats (racist and xenophobic) and one for the Populists (back East bankers are the cause of all our problems). Each paper was wildly opinionated, and often just plain wrong. No one apparently cared, as circulation was close to 100 percent for all three papers. I sense that the citizens were entertained and amused. We would be, too, if we had a similar situation today.

Free speech and publication is all about expressing ideas. I have no doubt Peter Zenger and Thomas Paine were cranky, loud, opinionated people. They probably would have sneered at the idea that objectivity is a worthy goal, and the concept of a “fairness doctrine” would have driven them to frothing at the mouth.

In any case, I could see the implosion of the print media back in the middle 1990s and got out when I could. I only miss interviewing interesting people. Otherwise, it’s a business that is committing slow suicide.


19 posted on 09/27/2013 1:37:09 PM PDT by redpoll
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To: navysealdad

bfl


20 posted on 09/27/2013 2:43:20 PM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks navysealdad.

Job #1 — defund National Partisan Radio and the Partisan Broadcasting System; defund the so-called arts programs, which are just partisan shilling (and fifth column activity) at its worst.

Job #2 — mount challenges to station licenses at each and every opportunity.

Job #3 — Voter ID, term limits (including on the SCOTUS), and an amendment to rid us of the problem of treaties used to override the Constitution.


21 posted on 09/27/2013 4:58:28 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: Soul of the South
It would take one major tv channel...but what billionaire would ever waste his money on suppling info to the rabble...

besides, we are a no to low information society...everything is a sound bite....

I can imagine pretty soon the govt will telecast directly into the numbskulls little phones..

heck, maybe directly into the little numbskulls skulls.....

22 posted on 09/27/2013 5:15:32 PM PDT by cherry (.)
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To: navysealdad

Let me be the first to say my thoughts and prayers are with the family of Mr. Hersh after that tragic_______________(insert cause of death here) that he had next month.


23 posted on 09/27/2013 6:03:24 PM PDT by barmag25
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To: driftless2

Then there is the “reporter” vs. “journalist” dichotomy.


24 posted on 09/27/2013 7:10:48 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: nathanbedford

The 1st has ~5 parts.


25 posted on 09/27/2013 7:14:07 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: navysealdad
Don't even get him started on the New York Times which, he says, spends "so much more time carrying water for Obama than I ever thought they would" – or the death of Osama bin Laden. "Nothing's been done about that story, it's one big lie, not one word of it is true," he says of the dramatic US Navy Seals raid in 2011.

The New York Times has carried so much water for Obama and democrats that it's taken the edge off Hurricane season...

26 posted on 09/27/2013 8:37:47 PM PDT by GOPJ ( Politicians who fear the people seek to disarm them. - - Bill St. Clair)
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To: redpoll

Thanks, appreciate your perspective.


27 posted on 09/27/2013 8:46:14 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1)
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To: navysealdad; LucyT; null and void; Cold Case Posse Supporter; Flotsam_Jetsome; circumbendibus; ...

“Don’t even get him started on the New York Times which, he says, spends ‘so much more time carrying water for Obama than I ever thought they would’ – or the death of Osama bin Laden. ‘Nothing’s been done about that story, it’s one big lie, not one word of it is true,’ he says of the dramatic US Navy Seals raid in 2011.

“Hersh is writing a book about national security and has devoted a chapter to the bin Laden killing.”

“Hersh is currently on a break from reporting, working on a book which undoubtedly will make for uncomfortable reading for both Bush and Obama.

“’The republic’s in trouble, we lie about everything, lying has become the staple.’ And he implores journalists to do something about it.”

Looks like Seymour Hersh is going to go “My Lai” on Barry in his upcoming book, including exposing the Bin Laden raid!

That is if he lives that long...


28 posted on 09/27/2013 8:56:22 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: LucyT; Josh Painter; kristinn; Buckhead

29 posted on 09/28/2013 12:16:46 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the mainland US There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: Seizethecarp

Looks like Seymour Hersh is going to go “My Lai” on Barry in his upcoming book, including exposing the Bin Laden raid!

That is if he lives that long...


The apparatchik will black ball him. He’ll need to go into foreign exile.


30 posted on 09/28/2013 6:03:29 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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