Skip to comments.Alfonzo Rachel: No Jeb Bush and No Third Parties
Posted on 09/27/2013 6:20:55 PM PDT by Epsdude
A lot of people have been talking about breaking away from the GOP lately.
ZoNation: No Jeb Bush and No Third Parties: http://youtu.be/q5hmxyceUYQ
But we MUST unite under a true, strong conservative like Cruz. Its hardly worth the bother of voting for someone like Jeb Bush.
I’m not going to vote for a Jeb Bush or Chris Christie no matter what. They can even threaten me with a President Hillary. It won’t matter.
We cannot get anywhere via a third party. What we need to do is get rid of the RINOs and status quo establishment types in the Republican Party and find more Cruzs, Lees, etc, in each state or something close.
You can’t unite the GOP under a “true conservative” because the liberal 55% will bolt, and the working and lower middle class whites who are conservative despise the GOP.
I do not even want the name GOP anymore.
I do not know what to tell you.
I said the same about Romney and still get the occasional slap over my decision. Hold your ground, I did and will continue to do so. I refuse to vote against my conscience.
Zo: “You want to talk about taking your country back? How about taking your party back first?”
As usual, he makes a lot of good points to back up his arguments in this video.
In the past I have supported the GOP with what small contributions I could make.
From now on I support the candidate whether it is GOP or Democrat, and the National GOP will never receive another dime from me./
Jeb may be the best of the Bushes, but there is something not very conservative in the family.
NO MORE BUSHES
Getting rid of the “GOP Establishment” which is basically the progressive portion of the GOP is not easy..if it was just McCain getting rid of him would be simple, but more and more keep crawling out of the woodwork..Lindsey Graham, Peter King, Lamar Alexander, the list keeps growing and growing and growing like cockroaches, you get rid of one, and another one pops up..the only way to truly get rid of these vermin is to throw them ALL out of the GOP before the GOP merges with the Dem party and they will both be one in the same
We need Jeb Bush like a moving motorcycle needs an ashtray.
Divide and conquer.
Now and forever.
I finished with the “hold my nose” approach long ago - - didn’t vote for Mittens and I won’t vote for Jeb Bush.
Or Pork Porkie.
I’ll put it as Zo said, “To many of y’all, for some reason, keep basing your views of the Republican party on people and their deviations instead of basing your view on the actual platform. These RINOs do not define what it is to be a Republican, but you’re letting them.”
Since about 2010, I have described myself as a conservative, NOT a Republican. The Republican Party long ago abandoned us and now we have the likes of Juan McVain, Rinse Prebus and Bawlin’ Boehner calling the shots.
And, the Tea Party backed candidates that we sent to Congress in 2010 have complained bitterly that the GOP-e puts roadblocks in front of them if they don’t toe the RINO line.
Let’s face it - our political system is a mess. For too long, politicians whose sole goal is their own power and their own wealth have long put the country behind their personal and party goals. We can’t restore America to the government the Founders envisioned and created unless/until we flush not only the politicians but the bureaucrats who support them and start over.
Career politicians and bureaucrats are anathema to the Constitution and have corrupted and perverted one of the most unique and innovative political systems on earth. As long as power hungry, greedy politicians are allowed to control their own destiny and stay in office forever, we cannot maintain what the Founding Fathers created.
But, let’s not put it all on the politicians and bureaucrats. We voters also share the blame. We don’t bother to find out who we are electing, we just march in lockstep and select the person whose name we have heard, regardless of what they represent. We don’t know a candidate’s record, his/her influences, past or associates. Had more people paid more attention to zero’s associates and influences in ‘08, we probably wouldn’t have the narcissistic, ineligible, Kenyan-born muslim occupying the WH today.
Lazy voters and criminal politicians who operate outside of the law have brought us to the point we are today. Until we reverse both of those trends, we are doomed to ride this elevator to the third world or beyond.
The party bosses despise conservatives. Even Rush stated many times the Republican Party is ‘embarrassed by the Tea Party’.
They tightly control the party; who gets money and help.
Note what they did to Palin, O’Donnell, Tancredo, Dornan, Quayle, Watts, Santorum, West, and now Cruz.
Reform the party? Perish the thought.
You are correct, it won’t be easy but it has to be done.
Uh, I hate to tell you this, but the "platform" is meaningless.
The platform has not been supported (in action) by any of the Presidential candidates in the past quarter of a century. The platform is not supported by more than 10 GOP Senators (maybe not more than 5), and it is not supported by more than 50 GOP Members of Congress.
The platform is meaningless bilge to fool the rubes, to conceal what the party is really all about.
When Glenn Beck said many years ago that the GOP will soon be overrun with progressives, just like how it destroyed the Democrat party and all you see now are the far left freaks..that this would happen to the GOP I didnt believe him, thought he was nuts..not anymore..every single day another one pops up to trash Ted Cruz, or Sarah Palin, or anyone else who calls themselves Conservatives..what the GOP Establishment wants is to get rid of the Conservatives in the party and make the party “moderate” which means leftist..that is what they want..that is why you see Steve Schmidt on MSLSD trashing Sarah Palin, because they blame her for endorsing Ted Cruz, they blame her for him, just like they hate all Conservatives..its not going to be easy to get rid of these vermin but it HAS to be done, otherwise the GOP is finished
If by "progressive" you mean "Big Government" and "Ruling Class," I agree.
How, then, do we abolish the insufferable one-party system we have? If we must “work within the system” that has been painstakingly set against us, then only full revolution can suffice to feed the tree of liberty.
A third party - destined to grow with the tide of human understanding brought about by the slavery imposed by the current two parties - is the least traumatic course toward liberty, friends.
Heh, ‘the best of the Bush’s’ would have been one of their wives.
It is not the platform but the BEHAVIOR of the republicans that cause us trouble.
Anyone who believes a piece of paper versus their own eyes, ears, and brain are freaking delusional.
The GOP does NOT believe in, nor fight for, the planks in its own platform.
The platform is just a piece of paper, it means little, since it hardly resembles the GOPs actual legislative agenda in practice. The reason it doesn’t is because the RINOs in the party derail any attempt to push a conservative agenda. So yes, they do define what it is to be a Republican. They have defined us as a party of ineffectual losers who can’t inspire Americans, because we don’t stand for anything at all.
The RINO infestation is, at least in part, caused by the Democrats. The further they move to the left, the less comfortable the squishy moderates feel in their party, so more of them join the GOP.
This has the dual effect of making the Dems more effective, since they have less divisions in the party, and making us less effective, because our divisions grow.
You wouldn’t wipe the smile off my face for a week if I woke up to find Ted Cruz, Sarah Palin,, and Mark Levin announce the establishment of a third party which was actually a second party since there actually is zero practical difference between the dems and pubs.
Yep that is what I mean..big Govt, gay marriage supporting, Conservative bashing RINOS..that term I never understood..when one says Republican In Name Only, like McCain, I dont even consider him a Republican, he sure doesnt talk like one or act like one..if Ronald Reagan were alive today he would be disgusted at what the GOP has become..its up to us to save it
The old GOP died when Romney lost in 2012.
We are just now finally casting off the dead weight of the old GOP.
Their lingering stench was decreased a lot this week by nice cool breezes coming out of TEXAS and Utah.
If you take political contributions from businesses, either large companies or international corporations, they will by and large be progressive.
Money in politics is key; that is what campaigns run on. Cash, and lots of it.
Not their call, nor anyone else’s.
If there is another Romney or another McCain then those of us who are social conservatives will likely vote for someone other than the Republican candidate again.
3rd party wont work for now...lets clean out the GOPe!
The 25 traitors voted to keep 0bamacare and exempt their staff and themselves...but get other coverage that you and I pay for.....
Lets start that conversation by acknowledging we arent going to deport 12 million illegal immigrants... bringing these workers out of the shadows and into being taxpaying members of society. Imagine 12 million people who are already here coming out of the shadows to become new taxpayers.12 million more people assimilating into society. 12 million more people being productive contributors. [but hes not in favor of amnesty, snicker, definition of is is]
...by softening its edge on some volatile social issues and altering its image as the party always seemingly "eager to go to war... We do need to expand the party and grow the party and that does mean that we don't always all agree on every issue" ... the party needs to become more welcoming to individuals who disagree with basic Republican doctrine on emotional social issues such as gay marriage... "We're going to have to be a little hands off on some of these issues ... and get people into the party," Paul said.
definition of insanity....
doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result each time....
go ahead and keep voting for republicant’s.....
“Third-Party” is the wrong point of view. Instead, focus on “Replacement Party”.
Depending on business, I have a fair chunk budgeted for donations direct to candidates each year. I won’t give a penny to the GOP and I won’t donate to any candidate who shares funds with the GOP. Neither do I personally know anyone who still does. So when I say I want to starve the GOP, I want them to know I am sincere.
The GOP is dying and imploding before our very eyes. We had better be prepared to replace it at a moments notice.
A third party is the only answer. When the Republicans are redistricting Tea Party candidates and would rather lose (or trade) a republican seat for a dem seat rather than support a tea partier then working within the two party system is going to be futile.