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End ‘stand your ground’ in Illinois (arf alert)
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | 28 sept 2013

Posted on 09/28/2013 5:58:07 AM PDT by rellimpank

So-called “stand your ground laws” have led to unnecessary shootings around the country, and now Illinois is on the brink of having one of its own sneak onto the books through the back door. The Legislature should act to prevent that before anyone dies in one of those stupidly unnecessary confrontations.

Historically, laws in America generally have required people to retreat from confrontations if possible before resorting to lethal force. But in recent years, stand your ground laws — which allow individuals claiming to fear for their lives to use such force even if they have the opportunity to back away — have spread in some form to about 30 states. Opponents — and that would include this editorial page — call them “shoot first” laws.

Illinois does not have such a statute on the books, but past court rulings in the state appear to grant the “stand your ground” right anyway. Until now, that hasn’t been a significant issue because Illinoisans were not allowed to carry concealed firearms in public. But this year, the Legislature authorized the concealed carrying of weapons, and the State Police expect to start issuing permits

(Excerpt) Read more at suntimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; rkba; secondamendment
--the S-T appears to want a pre-emptive strike against what courts have already confirmed--the right of self defense--
1 posted on 09/28/2013 5:58:07 AM PDT by rellimpank
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To: rellimpank
"Opponents — and that would include this editorial page — call them “shoot first” laws. "

Works for the cops, as the CoP in the largest city in Crook County lately proclaimed.

2 posted on 09/28/2013 6:00:40 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: rellimpank
Arf alert?

(Sorry, I had to do it :-)

3 posted on 09/28/2013 6:03:37 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: rellimpank
Pass the Run-Away-and-Cower law
4 posted on 09/28/2013 6:04:21 AM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: Paladin2

“Historically, laws in America generally have required people to retreat from confrontations if possible before resorting to lethal force.”

Really? More likely those laws were put on the books following court cases wherein someone using self defense was found to be not credible. Some states even allowed for shooting fleeing felons, perhaps even in the back!


5 posted on 09/28/2013 6:06:21 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: rellimpank

Chicago media protecting street gang members, who contribute $$$ to ill-I-noiz politicians.


6 posted on 09/28/2013 6:11:56 AM PDT by Lockbar (Quality Factory Loaded Ammunition ----- The New Gold!)
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To: rellimpank

I wonder if they’ld change their mind if an Aryan Brotherhood member ambushed and assaulted them as they were walking back to their vehicle?


7 posted on 09/28/2013 6:13:36 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: rellimpank
So-called “stand your ground laws” have led to unnecessary shootings around the country, and now Illinois is on the brink of having one of its own sneak onto the books through the back door.

Once again the Chicago "news media" gets it wrong.

Illinois already has a Stand Your Ground law, and none other than Barack Hussein Obama voted for it when he was a State Senator. It's one of the few bills that Obama didn't vote "present" on!

GO FIGURE!

8 posted on 09/28/2013 6:14:11 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: KosmicKitty

I just arfed all over myself.


9 posted on 09/28/2013 6:16:29 AM PDT by barmag25
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To: rellimpank
By the way, the biggest beneficiaries of Stand You Ground happen to be the folks who live in the two neighborhoods (Austin, Gresham) in Chicago that are responsible for making Chicago the murder capital of the world.

And here we have the Chicago Sun Times demanding that those blacks who are not criminals in these two neighborhoods not be able to stand their ground and defend themselves when they're getting shot at?

Now I'd call that RACIST!

10 posted on 09/28/2013 6:17:04 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Mouton

> “Historically, laws in America generally have required people to retreat from confrontations if possible before resorting to lethal force.”

What if the attacker is athletic and say plays basketball and lifts weights and you CAN’T evade by fleeing? Liberals never think things through to their conclusion. I think what they really want is the Stand and Take Your Beating, Whitey law on the books.


11 posted on 09/28/2013 6:23:32 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: rellimpank

Don’t people understand it is totally unnecessary to be able to defend themselves.

Just call the Police and wait 30 minutes they will be right out to help you.


12 posted on 09/28/2013 6:23:53 AM PDT by Venturer ( cowardice posturing as tolerance =political correctness)
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To: rellimpank
"So-called “stand your ground laws” have led to unnecessary shootings around the country"

See how "unnecessary" you think they are when it's you being robbed, raped, and/or murdered by some Obama's son looking urban ute or group there of...... douchebag.

13 posted on 09/28/2013 6:24:23 AM PDT by Feckless (I was trained by the US << This Tagline Censored by FR >> ain't that irOnic?)
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To: Mouton

Absolutely. In Texas a private citizen (not law enforcement) can use deadly force to prevent or stop the commission of a felony. Someone fleeing with my wallet/tv/car is in the commission of a felony.


14 posted on 09/28/2013 6:27:01 AM PDT by Feckless (I was trained by the US << This Tagline Censored by FR >> ain't that irOnic?)
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To: rellimpank

One of the murder capitals of the world - Chicago - wants to make sure citizens can’t defend themselves against gangbangers with guns? I hope I read this wrong...


15 posted on 09/28/2013 6:56:11 AM PDT by GOPJ ( Politicians who fear the people seek to disarm them. - - Bill St. Clair)
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To: Lockbar
Chicago media protecting street gang members, who contribute $$$ to ill-I-noiz politicians.

Ding, ding, ding we have a winnah! Chicago street gangs work with democrats and prop up liberal elites... Chicago newspapers are part of the liberal elite... it's a circles - full of jerks.

16 posted on 09/28/2013 6:58:30 AM PDT by GOPJ ( Politicians who fear the people seek to disarm them. - - Bill St. Clair)
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To: Venturer

Like another wise Freeper once said, “When seconds count, the cops are there in minutes”


17 posted on 09/28/2013 7:03:57 AM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: rellimpank

“Historically, laws in America generally have required people to retreat from confrontations”

http://www.johnspeedie.com/healy/bull.wav


18 posted on 09/28/2013 7:19:51 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: canuck_conservative; Venturer
As I say, "The police and firemen are the second responders. I am the first responder."
19 posted on 09/28/2013 7:25:24 AM PDT by Doug Loss
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To: rellimpank

Be sure to check out the comments on that page. Even their own readers are calling the editorialist a stupid liberal.

At this point, except for a tiny number of elitist liberals and criminal apologists, most everyone in the US likes SYG.

And they like it for the best of all reasons: because it makes sense. Common sense, rational sense, statistical sense, even emotional and instinctual sense.


20 posted on 09/28/2013 7:34:29 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (The best War on Terror News is at rantburg.com)
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To: KosmicKitty

-—curses—!!—noticed that as soon as I posted—


21 posted on 09/28/2013 7:48:57 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

—usually go the the comments first on both the Tribune and S-T anti-gun editorials , as the comments usually run about ten to one against the editorial stance—


22 posted on 09/28/2013 7:51:27 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: Starstruck

Law or no Law, where I live, we DO stand our ground.


23 posted on 09/28/2013 8:09:06 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Paladin2

Why are police agencies being given military armored vehicles by Obama? Is Obama planning to quell citizen protests of his government?

KANKAKEE COUNTY SHERIFF’S OFFICE
PRESS RELEASE
Date: September 25, 2013
SHERIFF’S POLICE ACQUI
RES TACTICAL VEHICLE
Kankakee, IL - Kankakee Count
y Sheriff Tim Bukowski reported the acquisition of a
surplus tactical military vehicle. The acquisi
tion of the mine resistant ambush protected
(MRAP) tactical vehicle fulfils a challenge issu
ed by Bukowski to Sergeant Dave Zinanni.

http://kankakeecountysheriff.com/info/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/MRAP1.pdf


24 posted on 09/28/2013 8:19:21 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: rellimpank

POLL TO FREEP

Scroll down right side of page.

SHOULD STAND YOUR GROUND BE EXPANDED TO SCHOOLS?

http://www.nwitimes.com/


25 posted on 09/28/2013 8:24:47 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Venturer

9 wounded in overnight shootings

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-chicago-shootings-violence-sept-27-to-28-20130927,0,2863461.story


26 posted on 09/28/2013 8:27:40 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo

I feel much safer.


27 posted on 09/28/2013 8:54:24 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: KeyLargo

And they weren’t standing their ground either.

There isn’t a law passed today that offers any hope of stopping the criminal.

The only thing the new laws do is place more restriction on honest gun owners.


28 posted on 09/28/2013 9:02:35 AM PDT by Venturer ( cowardice posturing as tolerance =political correctness)
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To: Doug Loss

Amen


29 posted on 09/28/2013 9:05:07 AM PDT by Venturer ( cowardice posturing as tolerance =political correctness)
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To: rellimpank
and the State Police expect to start issuing permits

We don't need no steenkin" permits in Peoria & Tazewell counties. The states attornies in those counties have stated that they will not prosecute for simple concealed carry in the absence of a permit.

30 posted on 09/28/2013 9:32:34 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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