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House GOP Mulls CR with Vitter Amendment (Sword of Damocles)
National Review ^ | September 28, 2013 6:39 PM | Robert Costa

Posted on 09/28/2013 10:04:41 PM PDT by 11th_VA

House Republican insiders acknowledge a shutdown is increasingly likely, due to House conservatives’ aversion to passing a “clean” continuing resolution that simply funds the government. But the leadership isn’t ready to concede defeat. Behind the scenes, Speaker John Boehner and his allies are finalizing their strategy for the eleventh hour: a last-minute CR play.

Here’s how it could unfold, according to sources familiar with the leadership’s closed-door deliberations.

First, the House passes a CR today that delays Obamacare’s implementation for one year and repeals the medical-device tax. This legislation will almost certainly die a quick death in the Senate.

Should that happen, the House will send another bill back. The leadership is mulling several options. At the top of the list is a revised CR that includes the Vitter amendment, authored by Senator David Vitter (R., La.), which would eliminate Obamacare subsidies for congressional staffers and members.

The leadership thinks that a final CR with Vitter’s language would put them on solid political ground, even if Senate Democrats resist. In that scenario, and the government shut down, Republicans would argue that Democrats shut down the government to protect their perks.


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1 posted on 09/28/2013 10:04:41 PM PDT by 11th_VA
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To: 11th_VA

Touche. Vitter’s ammendment snookers Reid into looking like an elitist cryptkeeper.


2 posted on 09/28/2013 10:10:22 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: 11th_VA; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; Liz; ...
RE :”Should that happen, the House will send another bill back. The leadership is mulling several options. At the top of the list is a revised CR that includes the Vitter amendment, authored by Senator David Vitter (R., La.), which would eliminate Obamacare subsidies for congressional staffers and members.
The leadership thinks that a final CR with Vitter’s language would put them on solid political ground, even if Senate Democrats resist. In that scenario, and the government shut down, Republicans would argue that Democrats shut down the government to protect their perks.”

I been posting that they should do this for weeks. That must be why its brilliant HAHA. (Doesn't this CR just last to November anyway?)

This is the really low hanging fruit that Dems and Obama have no defense for.

How many in congress will oppose cutting off their own perks that they will even still get in a shutdown if nothing goes in to law?

Beat Dems

3 posted on 09/28/2013 10:11:44 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position)
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To: 11th_VA

Other than Manchin, what other sky-blue Democrat(s) could be peeled off?


4 posted on 09/28/2013 10:14:39 PM PDT by gasport (I ain't got no guns.)
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To: Viennacon

Why is it I don’t trust this?


5 posted on 09/28/2013 10:14:41 PM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: Viennacon

Well, I’m very happy they’re still putting up a fight. Praying they come through for freedom.


6 posted on 09/28/2013 10:15:43 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: gasport

Begich and Pryor maybe


7 posted on 09/28/2013 10:16:09 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: sickoflibs

Seems to be the best option at this point.


8 posted on 09/28/2013 10:16:28 PM PDT by Mygirlsmom (Didja hear the one about the 3 Senators who went to sign up for Obamacare? Yeah, me neither.)
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To: OneVike

Because it is good policy to never trust the GOP leadership.


9 posted on 09/28/2013 10:16:41 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Viennacon

Must be it.

I have a nasty feeling whenever I read anything that says the Republican leadership has figured out a way to screw the Democrats.

It always ends up screwing us instead of them.


10 posted on 09/28/2013 10:19:00 PM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: 11th_VA

But what if the Senate passes the one with the Vitter amendment? Does that mean we get full implementation of Obamacare, with that one modification?

That’s a disastrous deal for us, since the whole Congressional exemption thing is a trifle compared to the full impact of Obamacare.


11 posted on 09/28/2013 10:19:39 PM PDT by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: Mygirlsmom

I would like to see GOP beat Obama and Reid once in a while.

GOP minority victory in 2010 was shaming Dems into adding to Obama-care a provision that forces congress and their staff to get their health care from Obama-care exchanges.

But the weasels got Obama to give them that subsidy to pay for it.

This is one I been posting for here for a month or so now.


12 posted on 09/28/2013 10:21:00 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position)
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To: Mygirlsmom

Imagine Reid having to get the Senators vote for this.
I love it.


13 posted on 09/28/2013 10:24:16 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position)
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To: 11th_VA

Vitter amendment with unanimous GOP opposition to cloture takes back the Senate in 2014. Period. But it will never happen with Progressive VietCong operative McCain on the job.


14 posted on 09/28/2013 10:27:04 PM PDT by montag813 (NO AMNESTY * ENFORCE THE LAW * http://StandWithArizona.com)
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To: 11th_VA

So they will abandon protecting Americans from disaster and will instead simply guarantee the elites will be afflicted along with the serfs.


15 posted on 09/28/2013 10:27:36 PM PDT by gitmo ( If your theology doesn't become your biography it's useless.)
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To: 11th_VA

I know the GOP has some end game in mind. The vitter amendment idea is as good as any. They are currently forcing the dems into defending Obama care on the record. Then it will be time to take their case to the voters next year. I sure wish we could back at Obama for illegally giving exemptions regarding this law. Heck, even if the senate passes the vitter amendment, Obama my still give the exemption. It already is the law,,


16 posted on 09/28/2013 10:28:02 PM PDT by Mustangman (The GOP)
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To: JediJones
But what if the Senate passes the one with the Vitter amendment?

I think they won't. Obama has already made it clear he won't sign anything but a "clean" bill. This amendment, while not what we need, puts the Democrats in an indefensible position.

On second thought, it's too soon for this. Shut down the government for a few weeks, then offer this.

17 posted on 09/28/2013 10:31:18 PM PDT by Steve1789 (I miss having a president who loves this country.)
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To: gitmo
So they will abandon protecting Americans from disaster and will instead simply guarantee the elites will be afflicted along with the serfs

""As the HHS Secretary may determine"... Obama will just tell HHS to give them the exemptions anyway

18 posted on 09/28/2013 10:31:28 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: 11th_VA

Fine by me. they can’t spin that one.


19 posted on 09/28/2013 10:31:44 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: 11th_VA
At the top of the list is a revised CR that includes the Vitter amendment, authored by Senator David Vitter (R., La.), which would eliminate Obamacare subsidies for congressional staffers and members.

What's to think about? This should have been in there from the beginning.

Oh wait... Maybe it's because Boehner and Reid secretly colluded to get special treatment for congressional staffs back in April:

Lawmakers, aides may get Obamacare exemption

20 posted on 09/28/2013 10:33:50 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: 11th_VA
Not enough.

There are more than 1200 other exemptions in Obamacare, for unions, connected businesses and entire states. The Vitter amendment ends subsidies/exemptions for certain Federal employees - perhaps the most glaring examples of the unfairness built into the plan, but are only the tip of the iceberg IMHO.

Nothing is said about the Christian organizations who are commanded to comply in violation of their religious beliefs while Muslim organizations get waivers.

What about the one-year reprieve that big employers get, that individuals do not?

21 posted on 09/28/2013 10:39:47 PM PDT by ZOOKER (Until further notice the /s is implied...)
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To: 11th_VA
Re: “First, the House passes a CR today that delays Obamacare’s implementation for one year.”

Freaking unbelievable!

EVERY DEMOCRAT in Congress wants a delay that will get them past the 2014 election.

And Boehner just hands it to them!

22 posted on 09/28/2013 10:40:14 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: gasport

Don’t use the newspeak, call the Dems what they are. REDS.


23 posted on 09/28/2013 10:43:35 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Steve1789; JediJones; 11th_VA; OneVike; gitmo; Lancey Howard; Vendome; Mygirlsmom; ...
RE :”This amendment, while not what we need, puts the Democrats in an indefensible position.”

You got it. And the GOP house was visibly working to night while Reid and Obama are on vacation,

I been suggesting this for weeks. Imagine Reid having to get Senate votes for this, or explaining why he is shutting down government to protect this.

Remember, a shutdown still funds congresses and their staffs Obama-care bribe.
Lets see who in congress stands up to protect their special perk that we don't get.

Fight Reid, fight Obama!

24 posted on 09/28/2013 10:44:11 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position)
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To: GeronL; gitmo; JediJones
RE “”As the HHS Secretary may determine”... Obama will just tell HHS to give them the exemptions anyway:

Even though this would forbid that and everyone will know that as this fight progresses?? Great!

This CR only lasts a few weeks and the debt limit fight is coming up too. Lets pray they do what you say.

25 posted on 09/28/2013 10:49:35 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position)
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To: Steve1789
The GOP needs to remind the democrats that cutting Congress out of FEHB was the "law of the land" until Obama changed it unilaterally.

That does leave me wondering if the federal government will pay a fine to itself for not insuring congressional employees.

26 posted on 09/28/2013 10:50:56 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: sickoflibs

The House should send back to the Senate the CR, with the Vitter amendment, *plus* language eliminating *all waivers* granted since ObamaCare was passed. My preference would be for them to attach all 2,700 pages of the original ObamaCare bill as passed in 2010, but I’m not sure that would override the OPM deal to pay 72% of our congresscritters insurance premiums.


27 posted on 09/28/2013 11:04:50 PM PDT by kevao (Biblical Jesus: Give your money to the poor. Socialist Jesus: Give your neighbor's money to the poor)
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To: zeestephen
Did you LISTEN to any of the debate today?
I guarantee you that every member of the Congressional Black Caucus wants Obamacare to start ASAP!
28 posted on 09/28/2013 11:09:05 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: kevao
RE The House should send back to the Senate the CR, with the Vitter amendment, *plus* language eliminating *all waivers* granted since ObamaCare was passed.:”

Great idea. Eliminating the HHS(Obama)power to grant ANY waivers

I liked the house action tonight but this will change the terms of the debate against Obama and Reid and remember, its only a few week CR and the debt limit fight is coming up where polling is against Dems by 60%.

Beat Dems on this then go into the next one stronger.,

29 posted on 09/28/2013 11:11:37 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position)
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To: kevao

This is a chance to get Obama care to polls down even more like 20%

Imagine GOP going into the next fight with that.


30 posted on 09/28/2013 11:15:10 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position)
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To: 11th_VA

The problem here is that Vitter’s language is already in the bill. In a lawless society, the law really doesn’t mean much. The original bill required all members of Congress to drop their federal insurance in 2011. That didn’t happen, nor do I see them dropping it in 2014 regardless of what new amendments get added.


31 posted on 09/28/2013 11:19:32 PM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
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To: Viennacon; 11th_VA; OneVike

“Touche. Vitter’s ammendment snookers Reid into looking like an elitist cryptkeeper.”

But you know what’s going to happen? Reid & the rats will let the Vitter amendment go through and sometimes later on a friday when no one is paying attention Dumb’O will sign one of his EO to restore the subsidies. Laws don’t mean anything to this crowd.


32 posted on 09/28/2013 11:20:14 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: Jim Robinson; Viennacon; Mygirlsmom
RE :”Well, I’m very happy they’re still putting up a fight. Praying they come through for freedom”

This is chance to really weaken Dems clinging to Obama-care.
How can they defend their own special O-care perk?
How does Reid and Obama?

How does Reid tell his Senate Dems they must vote to lose it?

Now imagine a shutdown over Dems defending this O-care bribe.

I loved the House play tonight too, Reid and Obama on vacation again.
I see a ray on sunshine breaking through.

33 posted on 09/28/2013 11:21:25 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position)
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To: 11th_VA

I got a good Idea!!! if the government shuts down The House and Senate loose their pay for the year add that to the bill!!!


34 posted on 09/28/2013 11:22:54 PM PDT by tallyhoe
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To: aquila48
Reid & the rats will let the Vitter amendment go through and sometimes later on a friday when no one is paying attention Dumb’O will sign one of his EO to restore the subsidies.

Normally, yes. But after Cruz's 21-hour stand the other day, all eyes are on ObamaCare right now. The timing is optimal -- the fortunate among us who still have employer-sponsored insurance are getting their open-enrollment packets this week (mine is a 13% premium increase, which doesn't seem so bad -- that is, until you look at the co-pay and deductible increases), and those who've been forced out onto the public exchanges are in for one hell of a shock, provided they're in a state where they can even determine what their premiums (and, more importantly, your co-pays and deductibles) are.

There will be so many disillusioned, pissed-off people in the next few weeks....

35 posted on 09/28/2013 11:31:40 PM PDT by kevao (Biblical Jesus: Give your money to the poor. Socialist Jesus: Give your neighbor's money to the poor)
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To: GeronL

Exactly.


36 posted on 09/28/2013 11:36:27 PM PDT by funfan
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To: kevao

Exactly, people need to stop focusing on the premiums. Obamacare is designed for catastrophic coverage and things like flu shots, that’s it. The out of pocket and deductibles are enormous. And doctor choice and availability is probably tightly controlled.


37 posted on 09/28/2013 11:41:15 PM PDT by sunrise_sunset
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To: Kansas58

Because most of their constituents will get it for free and they can use their obamphones to phone in prescriptions.


38 posted on 09/28/2013 11:42:32 PM PDT by funfan
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To: sickoflibs

It’s too likely to me Obama would cave if that’s the only provision added to funding Obamacare. And then where does that get us? I’d be happy to increase Congress’ and staffers’ pay by 100% and give them gold-plated health care if they abolish all of the abortions, mandates, taxes and subsidies that the rest of Obamacare puts into place. The idea of Congress getting an exception to the bill is minor compared to the rest of the horrors associated with it.


39 posted on 09/28/2013 11:54:08 PM PDT by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: funfan
No, not at all. See : #25
40 posted on 09/28/2013 11:55:02 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position)
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To: JediJones
RE “ It’s too likely to me Obama would cave if that’s the only provision added to funding Obamacare. And thThey wont do anyen where does that get us? I’d be happy to increase Congress’ and staffers’ pay by 100% and give them gold-plated health care if they abolish all of the abortions, mandates, taxes and subsidies that the rest of Obamacare puts into place. The idea of Congress getting an exception to the bill is minor compared to the rest of the horrors associated with it.”

They wont do anything GOOD as long as we agree to exempt them from the laws they force us to live under.

Rewarding them for their duplicity clearly hasnt worked(for us). Lets try something new.

41 posted on 09/28/2013 11:58:29 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position)
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To: sunrise_sunset

I read the other day that in some states, the public-exchange “Bronze Plan”, the low-tiered ObamaCare health plan, has premiums as low as $120/month for an individual, but the deductible is $6,000. LOL, if you’re making only $20,000/year under that plan, you are screwed if you need to spend a few days in hospital and fork out $6K before your insurance kicks in.

Obama and his minions way oversold ObamaCare, and once people finally see the small print, they’ll go apoplectic!


42 posted on 09/29/2013 12:01:35 AM PDT by kevao (Biblical Jesus: Give your money to the poor. Socialist Jesus: Give your neighbor's money to the poor)
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To: JediJones
RE :It’s too likely to me Obama would cave if that’s the only provision added to funding Obamacare. And then where does that get us?

The CR only funds a few weeks.
Then it expires and another go roundon it plus the debt limit fight .

Win this fight first, make Reid have to get Senate do something or defend this bribe to them.

Then go into next fight a winner.

I personally find congress bribing themselves to screw us offensive. Why don't you?

43 posted on 09/29/2013 12:03:27 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position)
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To: sickoflibs

I said I do but it’s nothing compared to the monstrosity of Obamacare as a whole. Therefore it wouldn’t be worth funding the rest of the law just to change that. I want to stick with defunding the entire thing, or at the very least delaying the entire thing at least a year. Like others have said, we’re in a good position because of all the crap people have started getting about their health care plans changing. We could put the heat on Obama and I think the public sentiment could be strong enough that he might cave into a delay of the law, and just give a speech about how he’s giving all his beloved peons more time to adjust to the changes.


44 posted on 09/29/2013 12:09:44 AM PDT by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: sickoflibs

I don’t think it’s worth delaying the bigger fight a few weeks or months now that we have the momentum going for us right now and the timing seems good. Who knows if Obama starts a war in Syria or something before the next fight would come up to make it harder for us to get media attention or make us look bad for ‘distracting’ from something more important at that time?


45 posted on 09/29/2013 12:13:49 AM PDT by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: JediJones; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; Liz; ...
RE I don’t think it’s worth delaying the bigger fight a few weeks or months now that we have the momentum going for us right now and the timing seems good.

A shutdown only bribes congress with that Obama care handout that we cant get, to screw us. They are all protected in a shutdown. Lets take that away from them

GOP needs to take the high ground on this low hanging fruit and beat Dems now before the other battles. It will only make it easier.

The complete Defund battle was lost in the Senate.
The House sent the ball there and they dropped it.
If they had won I would have been joyous but they let us down with only those 19 votes

Now we need to wake up from the fantasy and try to beat back libs at this for a change.

46 posted on 09/29/2013 12:26:16 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position)
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To: sickoflibs

I don’t understand. The Senate either defeats the next thing we send them the same way they did the defund effort, or they pass the next thing we send them. And passing an Obamacare bill that changes nothing but the subsidy for Congress and implements the rest of it is a crushing defeat for the American people. Then you have the hopes we can jin up another effort in a couple months to THEN do something substantial? If we can do it then, then let’s do it now instead of potentially having the climate change in a way that makes it harder to do then. You also give Obama and his allies in the media a couple months longer to run all kinds of pro-Obamacare ads and media to sway the public if you wait.


47 posted on 09/29/2013 12:34:07 AM PDT by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: JediJones; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; Liz; ...
RE: I don’t understand.”

That OK, let me try again.
You force get Senate Dems to take away the special bribe both parties in congress get in Obama-care.

Then in October and November when the next two fights takes place their bribes to support Obama care are gone.

Mean while you raised Americas attention that Obama put those special O-care bribes in for congress, and with any luck Reid opposes it.

I see a ray on sunshine here that we can wipe those smirks off of Obama and Reids faces.

BOOM, fight to win! That's I am looking for.

48 posted on 09/29/2013 12:44:41 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position)
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To: sickoflibs

You can raise the attention right now by removing those bribes, IN ADDITION to something more substantive like a one-year delay. How does waiting help? If we can successfully delay or defund the law in a showdown later, why not do it now? Why wait? If we can’t be successful with that, simply winning at taking away the bribe is a useless victory that does nothing to save Americans from becoming subject to Obamacare.


49 posted on 09/29/2013 12:58:19 AM PDT by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: JediJones
RE If we can successfully delay or defund the law in a showdown later, why not do it now? Why wait?

Cruz answered that question in Senate after all those paid ads and interviews on FNC.
It only rounded up 19 Senators out of 100.

Now its time to STOP LOSING and beat Obama!

50 posted on 09/29/2013 1:03:00 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position)
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