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Judge Ordered Sikh to Remove 'That Rag' from Head, Says ACLU
GMA via Yahoo! ^ | 9/28/13 | RUSSELL GOLDMAN

Posted on 09/28/2013 11:21:13 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows

On Jan. 16, Jagjeet Singh, 49, a long-haul truck driver from California on his way to pick up chickens for delivery in Texas, was pulled over for driving with a flat tire in Pike County, Miss.

Officers at a weigh station operated by the Department of Transportation demanded that Singh turn over his "kirpan," a 3-inch ceremonial blade carried by all Sikh men and frequently sewed into the waistband of their trousers, according to the ACLU.

"Contending, wrongly, that his kirpan was illegal, the DOT officer demanded that Mr. Singh turn it over. Mr. Singh tried to explain that he was a Sikh and that the kirpan was a sacred religious article," the ACLU wrote in a letter of complaint to the DOT. "In response, however, the officer laughed at him and mocked his religious beliefs.

"One officer declared that all Sikhs are depraved and 'terrorists,'" the ACLU said in its letter. DOT officers then arrested Singh for "refusing to obey a command" when he would not turn over his kirpan to police, according to the ACLU.

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Singh appeared in court on March 26, when, his lawyers said, he was further demeaned by Pike County Judge Aubrey Rimes.

"Court officers told him he had to leave because he was wearing a turban and the judge wanted it removed. He was intimidated and horrified," said the ACLU's Atwood.

Rimes allegedly called Singh's turban "that rag" and insisted he remove it or his case would be called last on the docket after everyone else in the courtroom had left. Singh refused to remove the turban and was called last.

According to the ACLU, Singh pleaded guilty to the charge of refusing to obey a command and paid a fine.

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1 posted on 09/28/2013 11:21:13 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows
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To: Slings and Arrows

Yes if true, it is amazing that this poor guy could be treated that way in a court of law in this country.


2 posted on 09/28/2013 11:29:11 PM PDT by JLS
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To: Slings and Arrows
Pigs be pigs.

Unfortunately, this pig escaped the death penalty.

3 posted on 09/28/2013 11:29:51 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Slings and Arrows
Got nothing against the Sikh. However, paraphrasing from My profile page:

You knew or should have quickly learned that the customs of people of USA are not the same as your home country. If you do not like them, do not come here. If already here, abide by our customs or leave. Do not expect peoples here to change to be just like where you come from.

4 posted on 09/28/2013 11:32:29 PM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: cynwoody

The trial court tried. Bleeping appellate judges.


5 posted on 09/28/2013 11:32:38 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Amazing that there are still folks in America who don’t know what Sikhs are.


6 posted on 09/28/2013 11:33:20 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Utilizer

He didn’t break the law. The cops and judge bullied him because they didn’t like the look of him.


7 posted on 09/28/2013 11:33:42 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

8 posted on 09/28/2013 11:34:21 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Ahh said,,Remove THAT RAG from yo haid! Yes, he’s guilty of extreme political incorrectness, but two things to keep in mind; #1. If you have come into America anytime after 9/11 as an adult, you have to know how many Americans recall that incident and all connected with it, to this day. #2. In the age where a six year old girl gets suspended from kindergaten just for TALKING ABOUT her Hello Kitty Bubble Gun, is it really such a shock that people get nervous seeing other folks walking around with a shiny little dagger clipped to their belts? My advice for the Sikh’s is to conform a little bit more. We need your skills and talents, but why not make it easier on yourself and your American Hosts? Now if you wish to wear your Kirpan during ceremonies in full regalia, go for it. Please be patient with us in regards to wearing the turban in any situation.


9 posted on 09/28/2013 11:39:41 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: Utilizer

That cop was representative of American customs?

Lol. I don’t think so.


10 posted on 09/28/2013 11:49:19 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama: the bearded lady of the Muslim Brotherhood))
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To: F15Eagle; Slings and Arrows

Disconcerting.


11 posted on 09/28/2013 11:52:37 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Utilizer

This is unacceptable. The cops and judge are wrong here.

Sikhs are good people from my experience. They do not like Muslims.


12 posted on 09/28/2013 11:55:28 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: Slings and Arrows
Never said he broke any law. What I said was that the customs of this country are not the same as where he came from, where the local LEOs would not look askance at his ...headgear.

I daresay the coppers that gave him a hard time were nowhere near as bad as he would have gotten back home from what I hear, so I really do not feel all that bad about the razzing he went through. Having had a LEO threaten to arrest Me on "suspicion of being a drug dealer" if I did not move along, I doubt I will be breaking out the hankie any time soon over his "mistreatment".

Cops single you out for not looking like everyone else all the time. If you do not believe this, try driving without a seatbelt anywhere these days and watch how quick they pounce. As far as being 'bullied' ;p *laugh* any one of several instructors I had during boot camp in the military would have been doubled up laughing at the accusation that this was bullying of any type.

Just wait until he accidentally walks in the wrong neighborhood sometime wearing either blue or read headgear when it's the opposing gang's territory and see how some real 'bullying' quickly occurs.

13 posted on 09/28/2013 11:55:46 PM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: Hardraade

*snicker* You and I obviously have had quite dissimilar experiences with cops it would appear.


14 posted on 09/28/2013 11:57:08 PM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: Utilizer

How about ceasing from making excuses for evil?


15 posted on 09/28/2013 11:58:09 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Utilizer

Just wait until he accidentally walks in the wrong neighborhood sometime wearing either blue or read headgear when it’s the opposing gang’s territory and see how some real ‘bullying’ quickly occurs.


Many Sikhs conceal carry.


16 posted on 09/28/2013 11:58:23 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: Utilizer

Make that... how about ceasing from making excuses for ignorance and evil.

Maybe Sikhs should carry around little pamphlets to pass out to these ignoramuses, stating “Ethnic Distinctions 101: We Sikhs over here are fiercely patriotic Americans and not Muslim terrorists.”


17 posted on 09/29/2013 12:00:34 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Perhaps an addition to the Bill of Rights is in order. Not only can a person be free to practice his religion, he must also be permitted to disregard reasonable rules (like taking one’s hat off in court) that are in conflict with such religion.


18 posted on 09/29/2013 12:03:09 AM PDT by anton
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To: laplata
Re-read My post. Said straight off that I have nothing against Sikhs in general. Seem to be good sorts for the most part. As far as being roughed up by some arrogant coppers he has a lot to learn about how badly then can muck about with you should you truly annoy them. Backed up by all the others wearing the same colours, I have found.

Understand that it is not acceptable to wear certain apparel at times and grow a thicker skin so you don't appear to be a total nancyboy. Expect to have to remove your headgear BEFORE you appear in court. Full face veils and burkhas are also not allowed, so don't go on about how you are being so unfairly singled out. It will not do.

19 posted on 09/29/2013 12:04:18 AM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Why should it be illegal for us not to obey any command given by an officer? If they commanded we strip naked and stand on our head, do we have to obey that one too? The officers should be disciplined for issuing frivolous or unlawful commands.


20 posted on 09/29/2013 12:05:03 AM PDT by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: Utilizer

Conforming to the dress code of the court is one thing. But he shouldn’t have been singled out for harassment and had his property seized by the cops in the first place without probable cause.


21 posted on 09/29/2013 12:06:19 AM PDT by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: Utilizer

I see your point.


22 posted on 09/29/2013 12:06:53 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: anton

You surely make a Sikh joke, but what’s “reasonable” creeps daily and not to the benefit of practitioners of some traditional world faith. For example now it is not considered “reasonable” to run a business in accordance with their beliefs.


23 posted on 09/29/2013 12:07:03 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: laplata
Many Sikhs conceal carry.

A habit I heartily applaud. I also believe completely in abiding by Gibb's Rule Number Nine at all times.

24 posted on 09/29/2013 12:07:26 AM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: Utilizer

Ah, they should be sheeple like you making excuses for evil?


25 posted on 09/29/2013 12:07:39 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Utilizer

I also believe completely in abiding by Gibb’s Rule Number Nine at all times.


What is Gibb’s Rule Number Nine?


26 posted on 09/29/2013 12:09:53 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: anton

We appear to have very different definitions of “reasonable.”


27 posted on 09/29/2013 12:10:47 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: laplata

Never go anywhere without a knife.


28 posted on 09/29/2013 12:13:37 AM PDT by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Make that... how about ceasing from making excuses for ignorance and evil. Maybe Sikhs should carry around little pamphlets to pass out to these ignoramuses...

Never said a word about supporting 0dumdu and his marxist / communistic / socialist "Executive Orders", so I have no idea what you are going on about.

Maybe some people need to learn that they should not come to expect that the world will go out of its way to cater to their every little whim and fancy. Burkhas, face-veils, heck, even blokes wearing kimonos or knee-high white silk stockings are not considered 'normal' in this country last I saw. Not going to change any time soon to appease anyone who somehow feels entitled to do so here.

29 posted on 09/29/2013 12:14:09 AM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: JoeProBono

Thanks, JPB.

I’ll take my gun to a knife fight. LOL


30 posted on 09/29/2013 12:15:12 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: Utilizer

I’ll take a knife and a gun, thank you.


31 posted on 09/29/2013 12:16:01 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: lee martell

“My advice for the Sikh’s is to conform a little bit more.”

I understand your point, but that is like telling an Orthodox Jew not to wear a yarmulke. It is something mandated by their respective religions. It is not a option. It is not a statement or affirmation. It’s a religious imperative.


32 posted on 09/29/2013 12:21:05 AM PDT by expat1000
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To: Slings and Arrows

Vinny Gambini: My clients...

Judge Chamberlain Haller: What are you wearing?

Vinny Gambini: Huh?

Judge Chamberlain Haller: What are you wearing?

Vinny Gambini: [wearing a black leather jacket] Um... I’m wearing, uh, clothes.

[the Judge angrily stares ominously at Vinny]

Vinny Gambini: I... I don’t get the question.

Judge Chamberlain Haller: When you come into my court looking like you do, you not only insult me, but you insult the integrity of this court!

Vinny Gambini: I apologise, sir, but, uh... this is how I dress.

Judge Chamberlain Haller: Fine. I’ll let you off this one time. The next time you appear in my court, you will look lawyerly. And I mean you comb your hair, and wear a suit and tie. And that suit had better be made out of some sort of... cloth. You understand me?

Vinny Gambini: [not comprehending] Uh... yes. Fine, Judge, fine

Later:

Vinny Gambini: [about his secondhand suit, which has an 18th-century look and is red] I bought a suit. You seen it. Now it’s covered in mud. This town doesn’t have a one hour cleaner so I had to buy a new suit, except the only store you could buy a new suit in has got the flu. Got that? The whole store got the flu so I had to get this in a second hand store. So it’s either wear the leather jacket, which I know you hate, or this. So, I wore this ridiculous thing for you.

Judge Chamberlain Haller: Are you on drugs?

Vinny Gambini: No. I don’t do drugs.

Judge Chamberlain Haller: I don’t like your attitude.


33 posted on 09/29/2013 12:25:14 AM PDT by stanne
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To: expat1000

We were founded on religious freedom and we should respect it as long as that religion doesn’t present any threat to us. They shouldn’t have to conform at all in order to be treated fairly by our authorities. The cops are the bad guys here and simply have no reason to seize property from someone without probable cause.


34 posted on 09/29/2013 12:25:32 AM PDT by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: Utilizer

Riding a horse and buggy on the road isn’t normal either, but we don’t have any problem with the Amish doing it here in Pennsylvania. America is about respecting the religious beliefs of others and as long as they don’t conflict with laws that apply to all of us then we should instruct our authorities to respect those views.


35 posted on 09/29/2013 12:28:05 AM PDT by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: JediJones
They did not demand of him to go starkers, they told him to remove his unfamiliar headgear. If you feel that is 'frivolous' that is entirely up to you. Most people here however do not customarily wear that sort of attire. Cops were unfamiliar with it and requested he remove it. Should have removed it.

As far as not obeying the commands of a LEO, try these on then, mate:

"License."

"Registration."

"Proof of Insurance."

"Why did I pull you over? I did not see you clearly wearing your seatbelt. Plust your taillight appears to be intermittant."

"Your 'Registration' appears to have expired. Your vehicle is being towed and you can pick it up in three days after you get your papers in order and pay the towing and storage fees."

"Sign here."

"If you do not sign, you will be arrested and go to jail right now. Today is Friday. You can talk to the judge on Monday at the earliest, maybe."

...

Let Me know how your refusal to obey any one of those orders works out for you. I will carefullly wipe a tear.

36 posted on 09/29/2013 12:30:15 AM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: laplata
I’ll take a knife and a gun, thank you.

Excellent choice. Shotguns are also quite effective suppressors simply by their appearance, I might add.

37 posted on 09/29/2013 12:36:16 AM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: expat1000

Yes, I see your logic, but you cannot pull someone’s yarmulke off and slice them open with it because the yarmulke is but embroidered cotton. The Kirpan a ceremonial blade is in the end, still a blade, an object capable of misuse and brandishment by those disrespectful and non-devout.


38 posted on 09/29/2013 12:36:55 AM PDT by lee martell
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To: Utilizer

Those aren’t frivolous orders, they are related to enforcing the law. Do you think the cops should be allowed to seize any gun or weapon from your vehicle if you are legally licensed and entitled to have it?


39 posted on 09/29/2013 12:38:31 AM PDT by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: lee martell

How many Sikhs were involved in 9/11? 0. So, I have no idea what you are talking about. By the way, whatever they do to Sikhs, they will do triple to Christians.


40 posted on 09/29/2013 12:39:43 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Slings and Arrows

Allot of Americans often confuse Sikh with Muslim and this remains me of a time, I was boarding a plane in Baltimore (pre-9-11)and the ticket agent would not allow a group of Sikhs to board with their draggers along with their leader. I pulled the agent a side, showed her my military ID and explained the whole thing to her-—She let them board no problem, I don’t know if it was common sense or the fear of a religious lawsuit.


41 posted on 09/29/2013 12:40:08 AM PDT by Trueblackman (As a Conservative, I am proud to be on the Obama's enemy list and on the right side of history..)
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To: Utilizer

Last time I checked, people had to volunteer to experience drill instructors. They don’t just walk around doing that to people on the street.


42 posted on 09/29/2013 12:41:17 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: JediJones
Actually, horses and sometimes buggys as well are quite common here along with the normal traffic. Lots of bicycles as well and even a few scooters for the disabled now and again.

All are free to practice their religion here so long as it hurts no one else. However, bulky headgear can hide illegal or dangerous substances, fullface veils and bhurkas can hide identity and gender (and the moozlib use it for that, repeatedly, and the entire country should not be required to be taught all the myriad customs and concepts of every other religion in the world, let alone their languages, simply to placate the unfathomable sensitivities of cultures and nations with bizarre and disgusting habits. Just because you jump up to sqaut on the dunny where you come from, do not expect us to have to provide nonskid strips on the seat simply to conform to your expectations as it was back home.

43 posted on 09/29/2013 12:46:41 AM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: lee martell

Sorry they don’t need to conform, most Sikh are very peaceful people(outside of those that serve in militaries worldwide) and I have served shoulder to shoulder with them when stationed in the Far East. The Judge and Police are wrong here and need to get their heads out of their a**.


44 posted on 09/29/2013 12:48:45 AM PDT by Trueblackman (As a Conservative, I am proud to be on the Obama's enemy list and on the right side of history..)
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To: Trueblackman
Well done. Sikhs take a lot of crap off of people that they don't deserve. Wonder how they handle the Kirpan travelling issue now, post 9/11.

To all: Just ran across this- the caption is priceless:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SikhsInFrancePostcard.jpg

45 posted on 09/29/2013 12:54:40 AM PDT by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: JediJones
*laugh* Bloody hell, where to start.

First, seatbelt laws were never meant to be a reason to pull someone over. I remember when they were still arguing about it way back when. Now, that and mandatory "insurance" no matter how much it costs you is somehow "legal"

"Intermittant" taillights are a favourite of cops for generating an easy ticket to get quotas up. Your local agencies need funding so must keep the revenue streams flowing.

Mandatorily towing a vehicle to generate even more revenue with a three-day minimal storage fee is illegal on its face, but you seem to have no problem with it. More revenue for the government.

Any one of those decisions could have been (and always were, in the past) dealt with using only some advice to get it taken care of, but I suppose if you feel the need to help grease the government wheels then feel free by all means.

Being forced to sign a document that states you agree with your private property being seized and mandatory fees paid before you can attempt to claim possession upon threat of incarceration if you do not is robbery, plain as can be. Unless you are one of those sorts that LIKE jail. Whatever, mate.

As far as firearms: the Second Amendment says nothing at all about "Licensing" what is stated to be what is a God-given right. It says nothing about hunting either, but feel free to interpret it that way if you wish. The First Amendment also says nothing about a "License" being necessary if you want to print a flyer of some sort or even your own 'newspaper' if you wish. I gather you might not understand the similarities, however.

Did I leave anything out?

46 posted on 09/29/2013 1:03:44 AM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: Slings and Arrows
The entire incident should not have required any search of his person. Yea a lot of states will make the driver stay at the scales with truck out os service until their company wires the fine to the scales or the driver pays it himself. Could have been an honest error all the way around and the tire could have went flat after his last stop time. That happens.

Seriously pulling a portable chicken coup what was he going to do? I can say from experience scale houses can get very overzealous and that was over 28 years ago when I drove last. Some had bad reputations. Entering California used to be real bad. They had a mandatory port of entry & they'd always find something in their truck inspections. Ching Ching Ching Ching!

47 posted on 09/29/2013 1:04:40 AM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: nickcarraway

When you admit being a “driver”, you volunteer to undergo the remarkable experience of being interrogated and belittled by LEOs by default. Never mind what the actual legal definition of a driver is. And since most people admit to ‘driving’, they can be stopped and questioned at any time by the admission thereof. Including ‘on the street’. Which is where most cars are, by design.


48 posted on 09/29/2013 1:09:22 AM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Sikh’s are not ragheads.

Stoopit premise...


49 posted on 09/29/2013 1:36:23 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: laplata; Utilizer

50 posted on 09/29/2013 1:39:07 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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