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Obamacare's Rollout Could Be A Big Problem For Obama And Democrats In 2014
forbes ^ | 9/30/2013 | Merrill Matthews

Posted on 09/30/2013 10:15:14 AM PDT by tobyhill

If Democrats aren’t worried about President Obama’s “Problems? What problems?” response to the multiple glitches and snafus of his ObamaCare rollout, they should be. The public is deeply suspicious of the law and it wouldn’t take much to create an electoral backlash that could send dozens of incumbent Democrats home for good in November 2014.

We are being inundated daily with news stories highlighting the problems with, and those caused by, the legislation. Obama has indirectly acknowledged these problems by postponing several elements of the legislation.

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Higher costs means fewer votes. Obama once claimed ObamaCare would drive down health insurance premiums; officials now claim that with the subsidies most people will be paying less. Don’t be too sure.

For example, National Journal just released its assessment of how ObamaCare will affect the individual market. Two-thirds of workers with single coverage and 57 percent of workers with family coverage will see their costs go up in the exchange. In addition, recent stories claim that some of the premiums are lower than expected because the copays and deductibles are so high.

Those forced to pay higher out-of-pocket costs, as well as higher premiums, will perceive that ObamaCare is hurting them financially and voters may well decide to return that pain on those who forced them to pay more.

(Excerpt) Read more at forbes.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 113th; 2014election; 2014midterms; 2016election; abortion; deathpanels; democrats; election2014; election2016; elections; obama; obamacare; zerocare

1 posted on 09/30/2013 10:15:14 AM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

Ya think?

This is why all is not lost if it comes in tomorrow.

We’ll have to pull it out after it’s planted - that will be harder.


2 posted on 09/30/2013 10:17:16 AM PDT by Principled
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To: tobyhill

Some how they will blame the evil corporations. These people seem to skate no matter what.

And the GOP lets them. That is the WORST part of it.


3 posted on 09/30/2013 10:17:31 AM PDT by Qwackertoo (Going into Politic Free Zone Momma Grizzly hibernation for a while after this week, maybe forever.)
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To: tobyhill
If Democrats aren’t worried about President Obama’s “Problems? What problems?” response to the multiple glitches and snafus of his ObamaCare rollout, they should be. The public is deeply suspicious of the law and it wouldn’t take much to create an electoral backlash that could send dozens of incumbent Democrats home for good in November 2014.

What good would it do if it did? Republicans never repeal anything Dems have done, and certainly couldn't muster a veto-overriding majority to do so if this were the one time they found a spine. I guess it would be slightly better, in that probably no NEW communism, or at least less, would be enacted between 14 and 16. But if the ratchet only ever clicks one direction, it doesn't matter very much who wins a given round.

4 posted on 09/30/2013 10:18:36 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: tobyhill

“...response to the multiple glitches and snafus of his ObamaCare rollout...”

IMO, this is what happens when you go from System Test to Production, neglecting Integration Test.


5 posted on 09/30/2013 10:18:45 AM PDT by duckman (I'm part of the group pulling the wagon!)
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To: tobyhill

That’s exactly what they are doing. Look at any comments page underneath an article critical of Obamacare. If you believe them, everything is sweetiness and light. There are no problems—its only us “uninformed people”. They look like they are being cut and pasted off a set of talking points.


6 posted on 09/30/2013 10:20:03 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: tobyhill; All

It is up to We The People to...”create an electoral backlash that WILL send dozens of incumbent Democrats home for good in November 2014.”

Let’s git bizzy! RINOs, too! :)


7 posted on 09/30/2013 10:21:11 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: duckman

Sounds more like Unit Test to Production. I can hear the age-old excuse now... “it worked when I tested it on my machine”. :)


8 posted on 09/30/2013 10:23:00 AM PDT by ken in texas (Obama schedule- Nice weather: golf, else play spades with Reggie)
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To: rbg81
They look like they are being cut and pasted off a set of talking points.

Obama's people are infiltrating all the conservative websites and forums with their talking points, i.e. propaganda. It won't get them very far. People will see with their own eyes what a bag of crap it is.

9 posted on 09/30/2013 10:24:23 AM PDT by randita
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To: tobyhill

This is proof the democrats don’t care. They lost the house over obamacare so they don’t care if they lose every seat.

What the republicans need to do is hold their ground on defunding it and say over and over again that they’re ready to sit down with the democrats and work on the healthcare system. If the democrats say “no” the backlash will be bad for them.


10 posted on 09/30/2013 10:24:43 AM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: tobyhill

This is the ONLY good thing that would come if the House caves: the Dems will own the issue (and the associated pain) thanks to their own demands... and frankly a one-year delay wouldn’t help us in 2014.

So hold on to that when Pelosi, Reid, and Obama do another victory lap after this episode is over.


11 posted on 09/30/2013 10:26:08 AM PDT by alancarp (Obama will grab your guns and ship them to Mexican drug mobs.)
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To: tobyhill

I haven’t DEMANDED anything in years — the last time was for my cable company to carry Fox Business News and I laughed when I did that — but I think Women ought to band together and DEMAND affordable manicures as part of good health in our family food prep chores.

Anyone up for carrying a placard for that?


12 posted on 09/30/2013 10:26:12 AM PDT by bunster
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To: tobyhill
Obamacare's Rollout Could Be A Big Problem For Obama And Democrats In 2014

It could have been a problem for them in the 2012 election too, except for the fact that obamacare was modeled after the republican candidates own romneycare.

Not a lot romney could say about obamacare without it being smashed back into his own face.

13 posted on 09/30/2013 10:26:41 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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If the Democrats had half a brain they would take the one year delay offer with a huge sigh of relief. Now in the 2014 elections, if all of the ACA gets active, the Democrats will get slaughtered at the polls.


14 posted on 09/30/2013 10:33:35 AM PDT by USCG SimTech (Honored to serve since '71)
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To: tobyhill
Obamacare's Rollout Could Be A Big Problem For Obama And Democrats In 201

Which is why we should go down in flames fighting it, but NOT delay it.

15 posted on 09/30/2013 10:43:32 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: convert, submit, or die.)
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To: alancarp

Actually, the one year delay ticks me off. It is useless, putting off the inevitable and will do nothing for 2014. The Democrats want to fight for this, let them own it.


16 posted on 09/30/2013 10:44:01 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to thoe tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: Carry_Okie
Note the this end up


17 posted on 09/30/2013 10:44:39 AM PDT by caww
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To: Principled
this is why all is not lost if it comes in tomorrow

Sure it is. You'll never get rid of it. I don't much care who's elected if they can't stop things like this from happening.

18 posted on 09/30/2013 10:45:44 AM PDT by grania
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To: Carry_Okie

<....”we should go down in flames fighting it, but NOT delay it.”....>

That’s exactly where I stand. However we actually went down when the Republicans folded as it became “Law”. This is just the rest of that loss playing out now.


19 posted on 09/30/2013 10:46:52 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww

I love it.


20 posted on 09/30/2013 10:47:06 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: convert, submit, or die.)
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To: tobyhill
Aside from the layers of bureaucracy, and the potential for long-term abuses, I do see some silver linings in Obamacare.

For many people who only show up at emergency rooms, or handle healthcare with a Medicaid card, the law is forcing people to become consumers of healthcare. Subsidized premiums are one thing, but there will be deductibles and co-pays for treatments and prescriptions. In the past, I'm pretty sure many of these folks didn't have to worry about those things previously, and now they will. And they won't be happy because they'll have thought it was all supposed to be "free."

21 posted on 09/30/2013 10:47:18 AM PDT by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: bunster

Lol, Fox Business is major sticking point for me also. No matter where I go, I need to face the Southwest sky to be sure my satellite will work:)


22 posted on 09/30/2013 10:57:10 AM PDT by ToastedHead
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To: tobyhill

The following 25 Republicans stood shoulder to shoulder with Senator Harry Reid and President Obama to fund ObamaCare:

Alexander

Ayotte

Barrasso

Blunt

Boozman

Burr

Chambliss

Chiesa

Coats

Coburn

Cochran

Collins

Corker

Cornyn

Graham

Hoeven

Isakson

Johanns

Johnson (WI)

Kirk

McCain

McConnell

Murkowski

Thune

Wicker

Meanwhile, the 19 heroes who stood with Senators Cruz and Lee to defund ObamaCare are:

Crapo

Cruz

Enzi

Fischer

Grassley

Heller

Inhofe

Lee

Moran

Paul

Portman

Risch

Roberts

Rubio

Scott

Sessions

Shelby

Toomey

Vitter

Two Republican senators did not vote:

Flake

Hatch

http://www.freedomworks.org/blog/jwithrow/republicans-surrender-see-whether-your-senators-vo


23 posted on 09/30/2013 11:02:56 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Lou L

<....”the law is forcing people to become consumers of healthcare”....>

I differ on that take...I see this as nothing more than ‘a hoax to draw revenue’ from all people to the hands of politicians and they’re squabbles and deals on who gets it for anything other than healthcare.....

This is nothing about the peoples health...it’s about the revenue generating to the Government...period. And they will distribute it where ever they choose...and it won’t be on caring for the health of Americans.

BTW I’m sure who gets healthcare will be determined by who you vote for as well....they will make certain those who oppose them are at the back of the line.


24 posted on 09/30/2013 11:04:12 AM PDT by caww
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To: ken in texas
It's also like the brilliant gambling system that worked so well at home....and in the casino, oops.
25 posted on 09/30/2013 11:28:57 AM PDT by JPG (Putin Does Obama.)
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To: tobyhill
The biggest problem with Obamacare is that they didn't try to duplicate one of the few universal health care systems that actually work--specifically Germany, who pioneered universal health care in 1884 and has refined it several times since into a public-private partnership and made it arguably the best health care system on Earth, including the fact Germany is still a world leader in medical technology.
26 posted on 09/30/2013 11:31:34 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: Principled

Ya think?

This is why all is not lost if it comes in tomorrow.

We’ll have to pull it out after it’s planted - that will be harder.

We would have to reform it peicemeal and keep up with it year after year after year, much in the same way progressives have slowly eroded our liberties over the last 100 years...


27 posted on 09/30/2013 11:39:09 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: bunster

Well, the tax on tanning salons is racist to begin with. Blacks don’t go to tanning salons.

Why not instead a tax on hair - weaves and nails?


28 posted on 09/30/2013 11:40:47 AM PDT by esoxmagnum (The rats have been trained to pull the D voting lever to get their little food pellet)
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To: RayChuang88; KC_Lion

The biggest problem with Obamacare is that they didn’t try to duplicate one of the few universal health care systems that actually work—specifically Germany, who pioneered universal health care in 1884 and has refined it several times since into a public-private partnership and made it arguably the best health care system on Earth, including the fact Germany is still a world leader in medical technology.

I agree with that, FUNNY HOW THE LIBS NEVER TRY TO DUPLICATE SOCIALIZED SYSTEMS THAT SOMEWHAT WORK...

If Liberals were intellectually honest we would have the healthcare system of germany, the education system of Japan, the prison system of Japan, the firearms policy of switzerland etc etc.....

But it is not about providing the best for their “serfs” it is ALL ABOUT CONTROL!

Pure Cloward Piven posturing in order to break the sucessfull free market systems in order to create a crisis that allows them carte blanche authority to seize total control over as many systems as they can!

Do I want the German Healthcare system? No, I prefer the free market. Do I want the Japanaese School and Prison systems? No! there are somethings we should take “some” ideas from them, but all the above countries have less freedom than we USED to have.

Instead of taking ideas and aspects from systems that do work, instead they intentionally take away lessons that are consistently the wrong ones because either thay are stuipid or they know exactly WHAT they are doing!


29 posted on 09/30/2013 11:45:56 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: esoxmagnum

Well, the tax on tanning salons is racist to begin with. Blacks don’t go to tanning salons.

Why not instead a tax on hair - weaves and nails?

LOL

Would a tax on hair implants for bladness be considered sexist?


30 posted on 09/30/2013 11:47:45 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: tobyhill

Oh if the government shuts down I intend to riot inthe streets as mass chaos and panic sets in.....

/sarc

Just kidding I am sure it won’t really affect me one way or another...

Maybe the Obama care door to door coaches won’t show up and I will be lonely and have to rely on Jehova Witlesses and Mormon Missionaries to keep me company....


31 posted on 09/30/2013 11:50:25 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Principled

.....I think Ben Sassee, Senate Candidate in Nebraska proves by his amazing fund raising that MANY, if not ALL, dimocrats up for election in 2014 are, one by one, falling on their swords by continuing, in September 2013, to support obamacare!

I love it! Bring on the popcorn and let’s watch em fall!


32 posted on 09/30/2013 12:15:19 PM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: Principled

.....I think Ben Sassee, Senate Candidate in Nebraska proves by his amazing fund raising that MANY, if not ALL, dimocrats up for election in 2014 are, one by one, falling on their swords by continuing, in September 2013, to support obamacare!

I love it! Bring on the popcorn and let’s watch em fall!


33 posted on 09/30/2013 12:16:00 PM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: Principled
I'm hoping day one is disaster, so everyone gets a taste of how screwed up anything govt. runs can be. Pubbies can't think of scaling down any agreement with Dems until the initial feedback starts rolling in.

Imagine if complaints are wide and loud. On the other hand, if it goes smoothly.....nnnaaahhh, that can't happen, it's gubmint.

34 posted on 09/30/2013 12:27:34 PM PDT by chiller (NBCNews et al is in the tank and should be embarrassed)
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To: Lou L
"...forcing people to become consumers of health care"

That may be true for a short while, but it's moving very fast towards single payer. Choices will be 1) govt. A or 2) govt. B.

One benefit I see is the decoupling of health care from jobs. All problems would be solved if your consumer premise was how the whole system worked. Shop, compare, and choose how to spend your money. The intervening insurance factor creates the impression that someone else is paying.

35 posted on 09/30/2013 12:34:59 PM PDT by chiller (NBCNews et al is in the tank and should be embarrassed)
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To: USCG SimTech

‘if all of the ACA gets active, the Democrats will get slaughtered at the polls.’

Don’t be so sure -
1. the lamestream will convince the stupid voters that ovomit and his dems didn’t cause them the pain, it is the other party’s fault;
2. Their unchallenged voter fraud will give them just enough edge to beat us.
3. The ‘patriots’ who refuse to vote for the less than perfect candidate will help to elect ovommit and his gang’s choice etc etc.

Alas! How can we reverse the ‘dumbing down of America’?


36 posted on 09/30/2013 1:27:29 PM PDT by chrisnj
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To: GraceG
Interestingly, relatively few people on the Left here in the USA want something akin to the British National Health Service. Not hard to figure out why: NHS--being effectively a government monopoly--lives on the whim on government funding, and you know how government budgets change every year!
37 posted on 09/30/2013 2:34:32 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: GraceG
It's Because the Politicians don't want to fix the problem.

You fix the problem, no more need for the Elites to be around to fix it eh?

38 posted on 09/30/2013 7:36:37 PM PDT by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: GraceG

“Would a tax on hair implants for bladness be considered sexist?”

...guess I never thought about that... hmmmm

:)


39 posted on 09/30/2013 8:57:26 PM PDT by esoxmagnum (The rats have been trained to pull the D voting lever to get their little food pellet)
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To: USCG SimTech

“Now in the 2014 elections, if all of the ACA gets active, the Democrats will get slaughtered at the polls.”
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So, you still believe the fantasy that we have honest elections in this country?


40 posted on 10/01/2013 6:15:06 AM PDT by RipSawyer
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To: Lou L

Apparently you are recalling the old saying, “Every cloud has a silver lining.” Actually with the current mess every cloud has a load of wet bird droppings in it.


41 posted on 10/01/2013 6:18:38 AM PDT by RipSawyer
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