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1 posted on 09/30/2013 10:15:14 AM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

Ya think?

This is why all is not lost if it comes in tomorrow.

We’ll have to pull it out after it’s planted - that will be harder.


2 posted on 09/30/2013 10:17:16 AM PDT by Principled
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Some how they will blame the evil corporations. These people seem to skate no matter what.

And the GOP lets them. That is the WORST part of it.


3 posted on 09/30/2013 10:17:31 AM PDT by Qwackertoo (Going into Politic Free Zone Momma Grizzly hibernation for a while after this week, maybe forever.)
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To: tobyhill
If Democrats aren’t worried about President Obama’s “Problems? What problems?” response to the multiple glitches and snafus of his ObamaCare rollout, they should be. The public is deeply suspicious of the law and it wouldn’t take much to create an electoral backlash that could send dozens of incumbent Democrats home for good in November 2014.

What good would it do if it did? Republicans never repeal anything Dems have done, and certainly couldn't muster a veto-overriding majority to do so if this were the one time they found a spine. I guess it would be slightly better, in that probably no NEW communism, or at least less, would be enacted between 14 and 16. But if the ratchet only ever clicks one direction, it doesn't matter very much who wins a given round.

4 posted on 09/30/2013 10:18:36 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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“...response to the multiple glitches and snafus of his ObamaCare rollout...”

IMO, this is what happens when you go from System Test to Production, neglecting Integration Test.


5 posted on 09/30/2013 10:18:45 AM PDT by duckman (I'm part of the group pulling the wagon!)
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That’s exactly what they are doing. Look at any comments page underneath an article critical of Obamacare. If you believe them, everything is sweetiness and light. There are no problems—its only us “uninformed people”. They look like they are being cut and pasted off a set of talking points.


6 posted on 09/30/2013 10:20:03 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: tobyhill; All

It is up to We The People to...”create an electoral backlash that WILL send dozens of incumbent Democrats home for good in November 2014.”

Let’s git bizzy! RINOs, too! :)


7 posted on 09/30/2013 10:21:11 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: tobyhill

This is proof the democrats don’t care. They lost the house over obamacare so they don’t care if they lose every seat.

What the republicans need to do is hold their ground on defunding it and say over and over again that they’re ready to sit down with the democrats and work on the healthcare system. If the democrats say “no” the backlash will be bad for them.


10 posted on 09/30/2013 10:24:43 AM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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This is the ONLY good thing that would come if the House caves: the Dems will own the issue (and the associated pain) thanks to their own demands... and frankly a one-year delay wouldn’t help us in 2014.

So hold on to that when Pelosi, Reid, and Obama do another victory lap after this episode is over.


11 posted on 09/30/2013 10:26:08 AM PDT by alancarp (Obama will grab your guns and ship them to Mexican drug mobs.)
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I haven’t DEMANDED anything in years — the last time was for my cable company to carry Fox Business News and I laughed when I did that — but I think Women ought to band together and DEMAND affordable manicures as part of good health in our family food prep chores.

Anyone up for carrying a placard for that?


12 posted on 09/30/2013 10:26:12 AM PDT by bunster
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Obamacare's Rollout Could Be A Big Problem For Obama And Democrats In 2014

It could have been a problem for them in the 2012 election too, except for the fact that obamacare was modeled after the republican candidates own romneycare.

Not a lot romney could say about obamacare without it being smashed back into his own face.

13 posted on 09/30/2013 10:26:41 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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Obamacare's Rollout Could Be A Big Problem For Obama And Democrats In 201

Which is why we should go down in flames fighting it, but NOT delay it.

15 posted on 09/30/2013 10:43:32 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: convert, submit, or die.)
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Aside from the layers of bureaucracy, and the potential for long-term abuses, I do see some silver linings in Obamacare.

For many people who only show up at emergency rooms, or handle healthcare with a Medicaid card, the law is forcing people to become consumers of healthcare. Subsidized premiums are one thing, but there will be deductibles and co-pays for treatments and prescriptions. In the past, I'm pretty sure many of these folks didn't have to worry about those things previously, and now they will. And they won't be happy because they'll have thought it was all supposed to be "free."

21 posted on 09/30/2013 10:47:18 AM PDT by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: tobyhill

The following 25 Republicans stood shoulder to shoulder with Senator Harry Reid and President Obama to fund ObamaCare:

Alexander

Ayotte

Barrasso

Blunt

Boozman

Burr

Chambliss

Chiesa

Coats

Coburn

Cochran

Collins

Corker

Cornyn

Graham

Hoeven

Isakson

Johanns

Johnson (WI)

Kirk

McCain

McConnell

Murkowski

Thune

Wicker

Meanwhile, the 19 heroes who stood with Senators Cruz and Lee to defund ObamaCare are:

Crapo

Cruz

Enzi

Fischer

Grassley

Heller

Inhofe

Lee

Moran

Paul

Portman

Risch

Roberts

Rubio

Scott

Sessions

Shelby

Toomey

Vitter

Two Republican senators did not vote:

Flake

Hatch

http://www.freedomworks.org/blog/jwithrow/republicans-surrender-see-whether-your-senators-vo


23 posted on 09/30/2013 11:02:56 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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The biggest problem with Obamacare is that they didn't try to duplicate one of the few universal health care systems that actually work--specifically Germany, who pioneered universal health care in 1884 and has refined it several times since into a public-private partnership and made it arguably the best health care system on Earth, including the fact Germany is still a world leader in medical technology.
26 posted on 09/30/2013 11:31:34 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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Oh if the government shuts down I intend to riot inthe streets as mass chaos and panic sets in.....

/sarc

Just kidding I am sure it won’t really affect me one way or another...

Maybe the Obama care door to door coaches won’t show up and I will be lonely and have to rely on Jehova Witlesses and Mormon Missionaries to keep me company....


31 posted on 09/30/2013 11:50:25 AM PDT by GraceG
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