Skip to comments.#Lamarwatch: It's the Tea Party for Joe Carr … or is it?
Posted on 09/30/2013 2:26:15 PM PDT by don-o
After five Beat Lamar town halls, the folks behind the effort would like you to know that they have united behind Joe Carr. This press release came out this morning
Michael Patrick Leahy, co-founder of BEAT LAMAR, today announced that BEAT LAMAR, a project of the conservative ground game SuperPac the Real Conservatives National Committee, and a coalition of local Tea Party groups across Tennessee have endorsed State Representative Joe Carr for the Republican nomination in the 2014 United Senate race.
Over the past month Joe Carr has been vetted in five BEAT LAMAR Town Halls across the state of Tennesseein Nashville, Memphis, Chattanooga, Maryville, and this Saturday in Johnson City, Leahy said. Joe Carr has emerged as the unanimous choice among the Tea Party co-sponsors of each of these eventsthe Nashville Tea Party, the Mid-South Tea Party, the Chattanooga Tea Party, the Blount County Tea Party, the Roane County Tea Party, and the Tri-Citiesas the constitutional conservative candidate we enthusiastically endorse to stand with Ted Cruz and beat Lamar.
I am also delighted to note that the Coalition for a Constitutional Senate, an informal coalition of 63 Tea Party and Liberty groups throughout Tennessee, is also issuing a statement of support for Joe Carr today, Leahy said.
But something else hit our inbox as well, and it hints that not everyone is happy with the process or Joe Carr.
Someone who would only describe themselves as "a patriot in Tennessee" writes Pith and says that the process was not exactly broad.
At the beginning of the day, only 27 of the 63 groups in the coalition even showed up. Three groups left before the final voting commenced. Joe only received 59% of the vote on first ballot. Four other groups abstained (including Campaign for Liberty). And, of the 20 remaining groups sympathetic to Joe (out of 60!) who participated in the final ballot, he could not even get a unanimous vote. Some groups are going home to our members to discuss formally withdrawing from the coalition.
The reason that the majority of the tea party groups did not show up, that seven left/abstained, and that several others are going back home to discuss withdrawing is because Beat Lamar is an absolute joke and has split the conservative movement much more than united and its leaders have tried to force Joe on everyone, including most who believe Joe is not our candidate. The fact of the matter is, the vast majority of us realize Joe cannot win. His latest embarrassment with the plagiarism can be forgiven by many, but to most of us, it shows he does not have what it takes to defeat the powerful lion of the Tennessee Republican machine. The bigger issue is Joe has not and will not win the support of national conservative groups (like Senate Conservatives Fund and Madison Project, who've said in recent newspaper reports that they will not support him), without whose money, network, and aid, we simply cannot win.
The fact of the matter is we are still looking for our candidate, with or without Beat Lamar. We believe we can still defeat Lamar, united, but that requires the right candidate and a fair process. It's not over, and Beat Lamar does not speak for us. We will start anew, and we will find our guy (or gal).
We've reached out to the Coalition for a Constitutional Senate folks for a response.
The one thing Pith has learned in the whole process is that anybody who attempts to wrangle together as many independent interests as there are within the Tea Party elements is going to have a hard time wrangling them all together. The Beat Lamar folks attempted to employ a systematic approach to vetting the candidates and all that's clear is that Joe Carr is their candidate. Given Pith's level of inbox bombardment every time there's news about Carr, it seems like the Tea Partiers have a ways to go before presenting a united front against The Senior Senator.
I do plan to attend the group that hosted the town hall I attended and try to get the lay of the land.
I am not sure if this sausage making even needs to be shared. Comments?
Let us watch the sausage making.
To be effective, a Secondary to produce a conservative candidate must be inclusive
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I see on facebook that beatlamar has put out the call for anyone who wants a town hall with Joe Carr to secure a venue and date and get that info to them.
I will do as much due diligence as I can Starting with the 9/12 group on Thursday.
“The bigger issue is Joe has not and will not win the support of national conservative groups (like Senate Conservatives Fund and Madison Project, who’ve said in recent newspaper reports that they will not support him), without whose money, network, and aid, we simply cannot win.”
This is the first mention I have seen of this. Have you seen anything about SCF or the Madison Project saying they will not support Carr, don-o? It would indeed be difficult to knock out a Big Lobbyist candidate like Alexander without the backing of SCF, CFG, Freedom Works, and the Madison Project.
My understanding and one thing that attracted me to beatlamar is that they are trying this w/o Washington consultant expertise and expense.
His latest embarrassment with the plagiarism can be forgiven by many...
What is this all about? I haven’t heard anything at all...
It’s coming from some Tea Party coalition and was reported in the Nashville Tennessean on 9/25/13. We cannot post or, I think, even link from that source.
Do a search on “Joe Carr plagiarism” to find it.
My take is that Carr made a rookie mistake. My concern is that, once again, we tend to fragmentation when we MUST have unity.
Here’s what I found:
Rep. Joe Carr stands by survey answers after plagiarism accusations
By James Harrison
Published Thursday, September 26th 2013
After providing lengthy answers to a questionnaire circulated by conservatives seeking a challenger to Sen. Lamar Alexander in August, state Rep. Joe Carr was found to have lifted several of his answers from the Heritage Foundation, sometimes cutting and pasting directly.
Carr, who is Alexander’s only declared challenger in next year’s GOP primary, was revealed by the Nashville Post to have provided answers that matched exact wording of Heritage essays, reports and blog posts.
But in a letter to members of the conservative and tea party coalition trying to unseat Alexander, the candidate dismissed accusations of plagiarism and defended his pulling “from several sources” to develop responses.
“My answers absolutely reflect my worldview, and I stand by them,” Carr wrote. “In developing my answers in the fairly tight timeframe the coalition requested to get a clear idea of my view of the world, I pulled from several sources. It was my understanding that a questionnaire of this sort is not subject to the same standards of sourcing that apply to journalism as, say, would be proper for an article submitted to The Wall Street Journal.”
Carr added that according to his understanding, answers for the survey were confidential and intended for vetting purposes, rather than public distribution. For that reason, he said the questionnaire was “not subject to the same standards as an academic paper submitted to a journal.”
“I did not make the claim in my answers that the ideas and thoughts I shared were exclusively mine or that they originated with me. I simply communicated that they accurately reflected my worldview,” he wrote.
Seems OK by me!
More dirty-tricks by the GOP-E crowd, if you ask me.
Thanks, I see no problem at all with what he did. I often do the same, the only thing I do when pulling quotes is to put quotes around what I pulled.
Not beyond the realm of possibility. I need some info on the Tea Party situation in Tenn to make a judgement on what is going on.
Notable to me was in the Tennessean story that broke the news, the source is an "unnamed Tennessee patriot." Thaings that make you go Hmmmmmmm
It’s unfortunate you posted an exact article from the Nashville Scene blog, Tennessee’s most liberal and anti-Tea Party media source, without also posting the correctional comments that followed the blog.
As the organizer for the Coalition for a Constitutional Senate, I wanted to point out a few inaccuracies and mis-characterizations in the anonymous message they posted, and to say that the 4-month long process was very thorough, open and inclusive of all candidates and liberty groups.
First, no groups left prior to any voting. All groups remained and participated until the very last vote. Two groups did withdraw during the last vote, but they did so because they supported the purpose of the Coalition and didn’t want to obstruct it in any way - they were very gracious and certainly not angry as the letter might lead you to believe. A third group that participated in the entire convention left after the final vote was complete but before we had adjourned.
By stating the results of the first in a series of votes, the message’s author apparently wants you to believe that Joe Carr didn’t have strong support. The truth is that the first vote was taken prior to any discussion as a means to see where everyone stood at the beginning of the consensus-seeking process. Additionally, almost all of the votes that were not for Carr during the convention were actually abstentions, largely from groups that wanted to wait until a later date to have the convention. As you would expect from a consensus-building effort, as the debate and votes progressed so did the percentage of votes for the eventual winner. The process worked perfectly in that regard and built a strong consensus with no objections.
The anonymous author also says that groups avoided or abstained from the Convention because of something to do with BeatLamar. I actually spoke with or was emailed by most of the groups not in attendance on the week prior to the convention, and nearly all regretted they couldn’t send delegates but expressed their confidence in the leaders who would attend to make the right decision for the Coalition.
The results of the convention have been reported to all of the Coalition groups, and despite the claims from the anonymous message, so far none have given anything but appreciation and support for the efforts and results of the Coalition’s vetting process and convention, which was fair, thorough, and successful.
Organizer, Coalition for a Constitutional Senate
Mea culpa. I should have followed up on this and dug down for more facts.
Thank you for doing that.
I have been clear in this forum that I have a lot to learn about the Tea Party in Tennessee. One thing I have already learned is that the local group needs to get some better messaging.
I called the only local talk show on the Friday before the Saturday meeting in J City. The host told me that no one had approached him with any news of it. He gave me ten minutes to at least inform.
Again, my apology for my incompleteness.
One more thing - I do not apologize for posting from liberal rags. I do that to hopefully give opportunity to dissect and debunk it.
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