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Wycliffe rancher losing cattle to grizzlies ( Canada )
Cranbrook Daily Townsman ^ | September 30, 2013 | Sally MacDonald

Posted on 10/01/2013 1:13:03 PM PDT by george76

In his 63 years ranging cattle at Pine Butte Ranch in Wycliffe, Ray Van Steinburg has never had grizzly bears take down a cow.

That is, until earlier this month, when he and other ranch workers found the carcasses of two cows about 100 feet apart on the 15,000 hectare property. The cows weigh about 1,400 pounds each.

They set up a motion-detected camera at the site of one of the kills and caught amazing footage of not one but two grizzlies approaching the kill, feeding on it, and even wrestling with each other.

Van Steinburg said that while his 800 head of cattle are ranging, he doesn't know how many cows the grizzlies have taken. But he has observed cows who no longer have calves, and calves who no longer have mothers.

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In his time on Pine Butte, Van Steinburg has seen the wildlife population grow from zero to what it is today. Last fall, Van Steinburg said there were around 3,700 elk on the property.

But since the grizzly kills, there have been no elk at Pine Butte Ranch

(Excerpt) Read more at dailytownsman.com ...


TOPICS: Canada; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Colorado; US: Montana; US: Wyoming
KEYWORDS: agenda21; alf; animalrights; ar; bears; canada; elf; farming; grizzlies; grizzly; grizzlybears; hunting; peta; ranching; sss; un21; unitednations

1 posted on 10/01/2013 1:13:04 PM PDT by george76
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To: george76; Squawk 8888

SSS, eh?


2 posted on 10/01/2013 1:15:45 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: george76

“...two grizzlies approaching the kill, feeding on it, and even wrestling with each other.”

Personally, I’ve always found that wrestling after dinner promotes indigestion.


3 posted on 10/01/2013 1:16:22 PM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: Jack Hammer

Yeah, I try to squeeze a movie in there.


4 posted on 10/01/2013 1:18:50 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: george76

How about a limited Griz season?

Or, a “landowners can protect their livestock” rule?

(I believe that was the point of the earlier “SSS” post)

...but....2 griz is a LOT of diggin’!


5 posted on 10/01/2013 1:22:10 PM PDT by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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To: george76

One must assume that in Canada grizzlies are a protected species like polar bears due to Global Warming and advanced bureaucratic brain rot.


6 posted on 10/01/2013 1:22:30 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (A civilian forece funded and equal to the military ... Obama/DHS & Hitler/Gestapo & Stalin/KGB)
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To: george76; Clive; exg; Alberta's Child; albertabound; AntiKev; backhoe; Byron_the_Aussie; ...
To all- please ping me to Canadian topics.

Canada Ping!

7 posted on 10/01/2013 1:29:05 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (I'd give up chocolate but I'm no quitter)
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To: george76

TS Jack.

They’re protected, you’re not.


8 posted on 10/01/2013 1:29:23 PM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

That’s why we invented big damn rifles.


9 posted on 10/01/2013 1:35:22 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: george76

Need a good rifle in the right caliber. Remington 700.

Suggested Calibers
.338 Win Mag
.338 Remington Ultra Mag
.375 H&H Mag
.375 Remington Ultra Mag
8mm Remington Mag

But he is in Canada. I’m not sure he can own a rifle. The .375 H&H or the Ultra Mag would get my vote. BTW not for casual plinking. These are real shoulder thumpers.


10 posted on 10/01/2013 1:35:44 PM PDT by Calamari (Pass enough laws and everyone is guilty of something.)
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To: Calamari

12 gauge running .50 caliber sabot slugs should do the job.


11 posted on 10/01/2013 1:37:31 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill

Sure would!

I don’t often hunt Grizzly bears but when I do

I prefer a powerful rifle.

(so I can make it back to camp for a few Dos Equis)


12 posted on 10/01/2013 1:44:38 PM PDT by Calamari (Pass enough laws and everyone is guilty of something.)
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To: Travis McGee
That’s why we invented big damn rifles.

So we did.

[Yeah, I know it's a shotgun.]

13 posted on 10/01/2013 1:44:54 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: G Larry

You can hunt Grizzlies in BC.


14 posted on 10/01/2013 2:07:00 PM PDT by stormer
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To: george76

I learned (while in Montana) that Grizzlies are more at home in the plains, hunting the likes of cattle, than in the mountains.

It explains why they can’t climb trees like black bear can.


15 posted on 10/01/2013 2:53:58 PM PDT by cicero2k
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To: george76

Saw some grizzlies a few years ago while crossing the Rockies from Alberta to B.C. Drove through Cranbrook back into the U.S.


16 posted on 10/01/2013 3:20:33 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: george76

1st mistake.. mentioning this to anyone....
2nd mistake.... not buying a bear dog.. and a shovel..


17 posted on 10/01/2013 4:07:20 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Travis McGee

LOL yep....Our ancestors got rid of the large predators cause they didn’t want to end up their dinner...now we have silly people bringing them back, but not it their own backyards..


18 posted on 10/01/2013 4:29:37 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: goat granny

Yep, there is a reason they paid bounties for wolves.


19 posted on 10/01/2013 4:34:32 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

back at the turn of the 20th cent. my father was a farm boy and they paid a one penny bounty of crows...problem was a shot gun shell cost a penny...so he soaked a lot of grain overnight in whiskey...the crows got drunk and couldn’t fly. He said he could get 5 or 6 with his penny shell...those boys knew how to make money...:O)


20 posted on 10/01/2013 4:39:01 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: george76

There have been some weird predator changes up here on the Range, george76. Coyotes have been hanging around longer and getting closer. There aren’t as many red tail hawks, but there are way more rough-legged hawks and golden eagles. They’re always around close. Daytime mountain lion sightings are more common, too. Maybe it was the drought. Not sure. And BTW, I’ve only seen elk herds that are much smaller than usual and haven’t seen them often. Antelope are more scattered and in smaller numbers, too—quite a few lone ones sighted.


21 posted on 10/01/2013 4:45:32 PM PDT by familyop
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To: familyop

The closing of the spring bear hunt season resulted in an explosion of higher numbers and more aggressive bears. Bears now think that humans are the easy source of food as there is no hunting going in the spring. [ Utes and others hunted year round ].

Second, the vacating of grazing allotments and new lion study areas [ no hunting allowed ] has destroyed deer, elk, antelope ... populations. Thus smaller herds and your lone antelope example.

Not a water problem. The drought hype [ like AGW ] is just another government program designed to raise our taxes & fees while turning citizens into slaves.


22 posted on 10/01/2013 5:38:54 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
"Not a water problem. The drought hype [ like AGW ] is just another government program designed to raise our taxes & fees while turning citizens into slaves."

We did have very dry weather last year, but there was much precipitation for this area in spring and September this year (about 12-13 inches or so yearly in good years). Agreed on the government drought hype for federal dollars, taxes and fees.

We might have a wetter winter (more spraying ice from the peaks near here) and are preparing with more snow fence. Might even find time to get a V-shaped, radius'd, fixed blade put together for a vehicle (just enough to clear for the differentials, might work with truck tire chains). The spraying ice was downright ugly deep in 2008 and the winter before last.

Also agreed on the foolery of cutting bear hunting. Bears must be really thick by now in the more heavily treed and populated lower elevations. The bears around here mind their own business and haven't been any problem, though. Not many trees or people here, and it's colder than most places on the Range. I haven't seen any bear sign closer than about a quarter of a mile (regular route to water for one of 'em) and haven't seen the bears.


23 posted on 10/01/2013 6:25:35 PM PDT by familyop
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To: george76

I live 100 miles NW of Wycliffe across the Purcells. There’s a grizzly population in the low hundreds in between us.

Folks around here love and respect the griz; one of my neighbours has grizzly bears feeding on spawning kokanee now right next to his garden - he has no problems with them. Last year at this time my wife and I were able to observe a sow and two platinum blond cubs feeding on huckleberries within a hundred feet of us for a couple of minutes.

I heart British Columbia!

But yeah, some bears you have to shoot.


24 posted on 10/01/2013 7:54:45 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)
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To: george76

bump for later


25 posted on 10/01/2013 7:56:08 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: headsonpikes

Do you do anything special with the heads, pour encourager les autres?


26 posted on 10/02/2013 6:02:10 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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