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Honor Flight to World War II Memorial in jeopardy due to shutdown
northwestohio.com ^ | 10.01.2013 at 7:11 PM | Chris Delcamp

Posted on 10/01/2013 8:24:42 PM PDT by M. Thatcher

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To: Elsie

Recall if you will, that it was the Park Service Police that investigated the death of one Vince Foster.

They made a number of determinations including suicide

They have cars equipped with 5 gallon cans of whitewash


101 posted on 10/02/2013 5:02:13 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: Steven Tyler

Let’s do it. I’m not a “younger vet”, but I’ve got a bike and I’m only 100 miles from DC.

What time do you want to meet at the Memorial next Wednesday?


102 posted on 10/02/2013 5:04:30 AM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos...)
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To: reaganaut
I”m thinking we need to organize something about this.

In a time - long ago; in a land far, far away...




Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

103 posted on 10/02/2013 5:06:03 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: EternalVigilance
This situation is not quite the same, though.

Quite right. However, the question is whether there is precedent for the U.S. government to use unreasonable force against U.S. military veterans who assemble to share and voice personal and relevant concerns.

I am not predicting such an event in the present situation, but we should not think it impossible.

Perhaps a few of the larger questions are, by what authority does the government have the right to restrict public access as in this particular instance? What are the limits of any such assumed or actual authority as it may be applied to other public facilities?

104 posted on 10/02/2013 5:12:11 AM PDT by frog in a pot ("To each according to his need..." -from a guy who never had a real job and couldn't feed his family)
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To: bert

“A military man can scarcely pride himself on having ‘smitten a sleeping enemy’; it is more a matter of shame, simply, for the one smitten. I would rather you made your appraisal after seeing what the enemy does, since it is certain that, angered and outraged, he will soon launch a determined counterattack.”


105 posted on 10/02/2013 5:13:20 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: frog in a pot

I wonder....

...have they shut down the Grand Canyon?


106 posted on 10/02/2013 5:14:18 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: M. Thatcher

Obama might hire some of his sons to beat them to death.


107 posted on 10/02/2013 5:20:49 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: bravo whiskey
the memorial is open air, not in a building so why is it shut? other than the obvious corrupt fedeali jerks.

That's about right: Federali Jerks. We were in DC for the 4th of July and walked through the WW2 Memorial after 10pm at night. No one bothered us, there were no park service folks around. I was left with the impression its available for all to see any time of day.

BTW: It's a spectacular sight when it's lit up in the evening.

108 posted on 10/02/2013 5:25:27 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Elsie

From the Grand Canyon NP website;

Due to the lapse in appropriated funds, all public lands managed by the Interior Department (National Parks, National Wildlife Refuges, Bureau of Land Management facilities, etc.) will be closed. For more information, FAQs, and updates, please visit www.doi.gov/shutdown.


109 posted on 10/02/2013 5:29:03 AM PDT by maine yankee (I got my Governor at 'Marden's')
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To: Brandonmark

Not at 90+ years old they won’t.

They DID their part already. That’s up to US now, to protect THEM.

How fast can we get a couple thousand people down there to put a protective cordon around them, that’s the question...


110 posted on 10/02/2013 5:57:55 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Neither did mine.

WWII Airborne... died at 54 years old.


111 posted on 10/02/2013 5:59:02 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: eartick

112 posted on 10/02/2013 6:04:52 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: M. Thatcher; All

There is a contingent of US Truckers going to DC within the next two weeks. It might be advantageous for them to show up a little early to provide a little help.

Truckers Ride For The Constitution
http://www.wnd.com/2013/09/truckers-roar-to-d-c-with-impeachment-movement/

Anyone with any contacts with folks in this group - now would be a good time to makes some phone calls.


113 posted on 10/02/2013 6:07:09 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Egon

Exactly! Who needs the govt to honor the dead? Who needs them to take a hike in a Natl Park for goodness sake?

word of the day: NONESSENTIAL


114 posted on 10/02/2013 6:09:23 AM PDT by madameguinot
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To: Steven Tyler

“..What happens when a 100,000 motorcycles descend on DC???..”

Ping to post #113.

Truckers Ride for the Constitution is upcoming.


115 posted on 10/02/2013 6:11:13 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: M. Thatcher; ADemocratNoMore; Akron Al; arbee4bush; agrace; ATOMIC_PUNK; Badeye; Bikers4Bush; ...

Ohio Ping


116 posted on 10/02/2013 6:22:43 AM PDT by Whenifhow
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To: reaganaut

they wouldn’t dare arrest them - the push back would be huge and epic


117 posted on 10/02/2013 6:26:10 AM PDT by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

A confrontation is looking more likely today.


118 posted on 10/02/2013 6:39:24 AM PDT by clintonh8r (Don't twerk me, Bro!)
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To: M. Thatcher

At their age, it will probably be the first and last time they get to see the monument. And bam-bam is going to have them arrested.


119 posted on 10/02/2013 6:42:14 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: InsidiousMongo

I had same thought. A Rolling Thunder escort and shield for the WW2 vets.


120 posted on 10/02/2013 6:43:04 AM PDT by Col Frank Slade
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To: Colonel_Flagg

"Park Police arresting any member of the Greatest Generation for trying to see THEIR memoral should be enough to arouse any decent American to white-hot anger. Let’s see Harry Reid defend THAT."

Right on.

121 posted on 10/02/2013 6:44:14 AM PDT by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: jmacusa

I’m sick of the Obama Govt sh@@, they are acting like dictators , trying to find all sorts of ways to hurt people.

Now the DOD has told the military to stop football!!! Now military families can’t do their shopping tax free on base.

It’s pathetic how this corrupt Govt is trying to hurt the people while the media always covers for their messiah and their party.

It’s damn time our side got organized , marched on the white house and demand this crap to stop.


122 posted on 10/02/2013 6:44:20 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: clintonh8r
Washington, DC = the new Normandy
123 posted on 10/02/2013 6:44:23 AM PDT by Ides of March (Beware.)
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To: M. Thatcher

Unbelievable! There is no need to rope off a memorial! You don’t have to pay government personell in order for people to walk around and view a wall!! A wall that we the damned people paid for and others paid in blood! This commie bastard of a president better back off!


124 posted on 10/02/2013 6:50:04 AM PDT by Phillyred
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To: ApplegateRanch

the media will never run with the facts or anything to make their messiah and their party look bad.

Fact is we are living under a NAZI regime, people are being targeted by this admin and homosexual groups.
Fact is that big business is the Dems group and those who oppose are targeted and forced to go against their constitutional right of freedom or religion and speech.
Fact is even Carson was targeted by the IRS because he spoke against this Govt.
Fact is this Govt under the radicals and bozo are trying to hurt anyone who opposes them and hurt the average American with this slowdown.
The media has no problem with what is going on because they support it and have voted for it.
This they lie and twist the facts

We are now living under a tyrannical Govt and we are not far from Chavez’s Govt.


125 posted on 10/02/2013 6:51:16 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Col Frank Slade

I had same thought. A Rolling Thunder escort and shield for the WW2 vets.

**

I’m ok with the Rolling Thunder coming in to protect them, but I’d also like to see everyday Americans, show up in their suits, taking a break from whatever they’re doing to protect these vets. Just Americans ...from all walks of life, doing what needs to be done at this time in history.


126 posted on 10/02/2013 6:52:28 AM PDT by LibsRJerks
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To: M. Thatcher

My friend’s daughter was nearly approved for a federal loan to buy a house. My friend was told that it would be 4 months now because of the government shut-down. She asked if that sounded reasonable. You should have seen the look on her face when I told her that the Obama regime had earlier sent out memos telling all agencies to make the sequester as painful as possible. “It’s all spite, isn’t it?” she asked. I said, “Welcome to Washington DC”.

These pathetic DC SOB’s think it’s all about them.


127 posted on 10/02/2013 6:53:02 AM PDT by butterdezillion (Free online faxing at http://faxzero.com/ Fax all your elected officials. Make DC listen.)
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To: Haiku Guy

Indeed!!!!


128 posted on 10/02/2013 7:03:33 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (Ignorance is not bliss. It is the road to serfdom.)
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To: doc1019
If it wasn’t for the WWII vets, Obama would be picking cotton and speaking German or Japanese.

Obama would not be picking cotton. He would be an official in the fascist-approved puppet government.

129 posted on 10/02/2013 7:10:05 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: M. Thatcher
This is going to get interesting.

Obama is a narcissist. When they don't get their way, they either give up or fly into a rage.

Looks like the latter. If the GOP keeps it up, and there are real political reasons why they shouldn't, I would not be surprised to see raids on TEA party congressmen.

130 posted on 10/02/2013 7:11:20 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Google the Bonus Army.

There is a precedent.

131 posted on 10/02/2013 7:13:28 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

Congress critters need to once again escort the WWII vets down to the Memorial to make sure nobody gets harrassed by the govt goons.


132 posted on 10/02/2013 7:17:09 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: GatorGirl

They’ve put barricades around the Lincoln Memorial yesterday...don’t know about the Gettysburg Battlefield.........heh.


133 posted on 10/02/2013 7:18:18 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: FlingWingFlyer

The American people won’t stand for it.


Not so sure of that. Most of the people in this country will probably say “whats a WWII?” And any teaching of the war in our schools teaches we were the bad guys, so they would probably say the vets deserve to be arrested.


134 posted on 10/02/2013 7:22:03 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: Brandonmark

The Greatest Generation veterans kicked Nazi butt 70 years ago....they will do it again!


Yeah, 90 year olds confined to wheel chairs or who can barely walk are real ass kickers. sarc/


135 posted on 10/02/2013 7:24:49 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: frog in a pot

“White House PR Kamikazes try to pick a fight with guys who stormed Iwo Jima with flamethrowers.”

Most clear thinking Americans understand the absurdity of that statement and the dishonor involved in this instance - and are ashamed.

However, one is reminded of the 1932 Bonus Army episode. One out-of-control army officer, Douglas MacArthur, exceeded the president’s orders and with fixed bayonets and billy clubs rousted the “army” of veterans that had peaceably collected in a public park, injuring 55.

Can one seriously doubt in the current political setting that something similar is possible?


Patton was also eager to get his licks in against the WWI “rabble.”


136 posted on 10/02/2013 7:28:30 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: NFHale
Time to rally at the memorial.

From the graves they are screaming


137 posted on 10/02/2013 7:39:02 AM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only Hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: frog in a pot
I do get your point about the military/police obeying civilian order with regard to vets. And it is a very good point.

The reason MacArthur is vilified by Marxists/Progressives is because he was a conservative/Republican general and a out spoken one at that. After the Chinese entered Korea things did not go well for MacArthur. Several creatable historians strongly suspect that after Inchon Chinese/Russian infiltrated the command structure in DC and were privy to his strategic plans. They point to the fact that when things were happening to fast for the chain of command to operate MacArthur's battle plans did quite well.

It is also worth noting that after Truman fires MacArthur the USA never really won another war/occupation. MacArthur fought to win, he fought Washington as hard as he fought the enemy in Korea, so he was fired and hence forth US commanders were gelled and silenced.

138 posted on 10/02/2013 7:42:01 AM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied)
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To: chessplayer

Sadly, you’re probably right. This isn’t the America that it once was. It’s “Me, me, me! What’s in it for me?!” these days.


139 posted on 10/02/2013 7:43:03 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The DemocRAT Pahtay! Spending our grandchildren's future, today!)
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To: clintonh8r
a confrontation is looking more likely today

The irony that nobody's mentioned is that Martin Luther King would approve of this kind of protest.

140 posted on 10/02/2013 7:44:58 AM PDT by grania
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To: frog in a pot

Whenever someone spouts off that “our military will never do X”, I always think of the Bonus Army.


141 posted on 10/02/2013 7:57:39 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: Art in Idaho

RE Pic:

Exactly what they predicted what would happen if we got complacent...


142 posted on 10/02/2013 8:05:52 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: LibsRJerks

Well, the politicians have shown up for the photo op.


143 posted on 10/02/2013 8:24:10 AM PDT by Col Frank Slade
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To: M. Thatcher
He says they are considering going ahead with the trip even if the government is still on shutdown, but when he called the parks service, he was told they would face arrest.

I don't think Obama's kneepad brigade realizes how this can escalate and backfire.

If a vet is arrested, it might not make much news. But, if one is injured during an arrest, the kneepad media can't ignore it.

I really hope that it doesn't escalate, and some wannabe Rambo on the Park Police starts waving around a gun. That video will certainly go viral, and Obama will have to start looking for a country for a long-term visit.

144 posted on 10/02/2013 8:39:25 AM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: NFHale
RE Pic: Exactly what they predicted what would happen if we got complacent...

So true. America has to rally soon. .

145 posted on 10/02/2013 10:11:06 AM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only Hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: Art in Idaho

“...America has to rally soon. ...”

I’d say it’s already begun, Art...


146 posted on 10/02/2013 10:13:33 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: jpsb
You raise an interesting point - that several credible historians strongly suspect that:
after Inchon, Chinese/Russian infiltrated the command structure in DC and were privy to his strategic plans.

Arguably, some of those operators in place may have been left over from FDR's days. You may be aware that several years ago there was quite a discussion about John Kerry's father, who worked at the State Dept during that era, and his political inclinations. Growing up at the Kerry dining room table probably accounts for Sen Kerry's world view.

147 posted on 10/02/2013 10:24:14 AM PDT by frog in a pot ("To each according to his need..." -from a guy who never had a real job and couldn't feed his family)
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To: M. Thatcher; All

Vets gather and sing “AMAZING GRACE” at the memorial
http://weaselzippers.us/2013/10/02/vets-sing-amazing-grace-at-wwii-memorial/

How about a chorus of “We Shall Overcome” and “The Star Spangled Banner” too...

LOUD... with like, bullhorns and amplifiers and stuff...


148 posted on 10/02/2013 10:31:27 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: chessplayer; TalonDJ
Patton was also eager to get his licks in against the WWI “rabble.”

There is some evidence that Patton and Eisenhower, both junior officers, each argued with MacArthur, who was in command, about the use of tear gas and bayonets. That record, however, may be no more than an after the fact attempt to preserve their otherwise remarkable military careers.

Refusing to obey a presidential order conveyed by one's superior officer would end a military career, of course, and that raises the point that concerns me:
Will military officers pause long enough to assess the circumstances and, if warranted, honor their oath to defend the Constitution, or will they simply proceed with their best interests in mind?

149 posted on 10/02/2013 10:44:29 AM PDT by frog in a pot ("To each according to his need..." -from a guy who never had a real job and couldn't feed his family)
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To: Godzilla

That it would.


150 posted on 10/02/2013 10:45:19 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian. I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see.)
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