Skip to comments.Wood Stove Ban Made Universal
Posted on 10/02/2013 2:10:04 AM PDT by lowbridge
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Next all the fireplaces in the homes.
Obama already on that path.
He is attacking coal burning power plants.
Guess no one has told him hat the main power sources are for those states east of the Mississippi. COAL
They work fine, I have two of them, actually much better that the the less efficient stoves they replaced. More heat per cord of wood and they burn more cleanly, less creosote in the chimney which decreases the risk of burning down the house.
I have one with the catalytic converter, it is nice because the cat is set up so you can cook off it. My concern was how long it would last but it is still working well after 6 or 7 years. The other one is a non catalytic design, there is no set up for cooking but I figured if I would have at least one stove working if I ever had catalyst issues.
Between the two, I’ve burned about 60 cords and both seem to be functioning like new.
I was frustrated because I couldn’t replace my old stoves with non EPA versions but the new stoves are actually a better design.
It is a little weird that once the stoves are warmed up, you can’t tell if a fire is going by looking at the chimney.
And when will they come after my fireplace?
I believe that's correct, but anyone who attempts to do so at my home will be required to obtain a court order, and until such time will be denied access, as enforced by the business end of a 12-gauge shotgun.
How much heat would a burning EPA headquarters throw off, and how could we harness it?
If you and I were to agree that I was going to purchase your old wood-stove....
How would they be able enforce this...that 1) you can’t sell it to me...2) that I cannot begin using it once I have taken possession.
Well hell. If it’ll be illegal to burn wood, and ya do it anyway, ya may as well run a moonshine still as well.
If an EPA burns in washington and there is no one there, the heat can not be felt
The way it is done presently is to run an ethanol distillery. The product in the Mason jars is labeled fuel
“Living abroad seems to be your major accomplishment in life. Correct me if I’m wrong.”
Yes, I will, as you seem to be quite confused.
I spent my entire life in Tennessee, where I loved the four seasons, but does that mean that I should be required to die there?
After selling my business and starting retirement, I decided to experience other parts of the world. Is that a crime?
Well, in the old Soviet Union it was.
Are you saying that seeing the world in my senior years is treason?
After selling my business, I first started my new life exploring central Europe, where I saw the scars of Communism.
You do know that they did not let people leave, don’t you?
On the bank of the Danube in Slovakia, there is a monument to those that were shot as they tried to swim over to Austria. Would you like to shoot me? You would like to forbid foreign living to US citizens?
NO, living abroad is far from my accomplishments in life.
As a native born American, and decedent of Uncle Sam (war of 1812)I am quite satisfied with living the American dream, which is a life of freedom, starting and operating several businesses.
That does not, however, mean that I can not travel and see other countries, and explore a new life in my years of retirement.
Slick Willie would say “I feel your pain”, but no, I do not feel it. Make your own life, and learn to accept the decisions of others on how they make theirs.
There is a small band of “dogs in a manger” on here that hate my guts. Go and join them. They can use some help, as they are quite so childish with their expletives.
Well, Drudge has a headline that says EPA finds only 6.6% of staff are “nonessential”....
Kudos for your obviously superior financial planning. It’s nice to be able to choose as you are doing.
“I am not worried. I now live in the tropics. Wood burning is only to cook fish on the beach”
Since you have now moved to the Phillipines or wherever you don’t need to be concerned about America anymore. Why bother to distract yourself from your new and improved place of residence?
“Kudos for your obviously superior financial planning.”
hahaha...I can assure you that my life style is NOT a result
of great financial planning. In Europe, I did work as a private tutor. In the Philippines, I live on a very small social security pension.
“Since you have now moved to the Phillipines or wherever you dont need to be concerned about America anymore. Why bother to distract yourself from your new and improved place of residence?”
What an absurd statement. I am an American that loves his country, even thought I hate what it is becoming.
Why else do you think I have been on FR for the last 15 years?
Not to show any support for the move...
The article overstates what happened. Insofar as the EPA is empowered to regulate pollution, they did tighten the emission standards on wood stoves. They did NOT ban wood stoves per se, just required better emissions performance and issued a long list of stoves known to comply.
Insofar as you can get a high efficiency stove, you should. Basic individual environmental stewardship, which is a conservative value.
Punishing those who can’t/don’t, yeah I’ve got a problem with that.
Let’s stick to facts and address what the EPA actually did. Overwrought hyperbole is not helpful.
I guess the EPA doesn't know about “Rocket” stoves yet. They are used for camping and for emergencies. They burn any organic material and burn hot to burn that fuel into a small amount of ashes. I would say if you want a Rocket stove to get one now before the EPA knows about them and bans them.
In my many years of existence, if one wanted to burn something, one did. Now, you are in trouble if you strike a match without a permit and it's the right kind of match, if they even have approved a certain match.
Regular kitchen strike anywhere matches are no longer sold. I stored strike anywhere matches before they were “outlawed”. Had no idea they would be banned later. I still have that sealed bucket of boxes of strike anywhere matches.
I'm waiting to find out how much oxygen the EPA will allow me to breathe.
Will the EPA clean out the forests so their will be no more smoke put in the air by lightning strikes and arsonists?
One forest fire can put out more smoke than all the backwoods people combined.
Oh by the way, I have read that carbon and dust in the atmosphere is what water vapor condenses around to make rain.
I used to have a book on how to build your own wood stove, everything from 55 gal steel barrels, outboard motor gas tanks, welded sheet steel, I’ve even made them from 1/4 inch steel plate, door latch hinges and all can be welded in a home shop.
So how can the EPA stop the building of a wood stove!
***Wood Stove Ban Made Universal***
Whew! I was almost worried! I’ve got a big pile of blacksmith COAL for use in forge work. I guess I will just fire it up when the weather gets cold.
*** I still have that sealed bucket of boxes of strike anywhere matches.***
I also have strike anywhere matches. They are great when first opened, the the local humidity seems to kill them.
“I also have strike anywhere matches. They are great when first opened, the the local humidity seems to kill them.”
When my boys were Scouts they would dip them in wax to keep them dry while camping. That was years ago and I’m not too up on that type of thing,but it worked for them.
The EPA can kiss my crusty old a$$!
When the power go out in winter my wood furnace WILL be fired up.
I’ve read about that and about dipping them in shellac. I can not find shellac anywhere!
I’ve also noticed that strike anywhere matches are no where as good as they were fifty years ago. Back then you could get them to strike on just about any surface, from a kitchen cabinet, rock, thigh pair of jeans, cast iron. Even your teeth for those wanting to show off. Now the white tip seems to be less sensitive to the scrape.
Ever notice how the “strike here” pad on the box of strike on box matches wears out after just a few strikes? Even the finest sand paper will not strike the matches.
Thanks for the ping!
So what are the broads up to these days?
(this thread needed a bit of levity).
I’ve just picked up on it from odd articles in alternative publications, like the one that began this tread. Since it applies to retailers and manufacturers who must now only make and sell approved stoves, no one in the MSM has bothered to inform consumers. It was apparent this was going to happen a few years ago when new EPA-approved stoves began carrying tax credits.
Like Cash For Clunkers, this simply removes any choices when we go to replace or install a wood stove. Incrementalism at its finest.
Next it is against the law to scavenge driftwood for that tiny beach fire! ON and ON!
Come to think of it BEACH FIRES are not allowed even now!
I was sitting here considering giving a new “back-up” stove as a Christmas present. I think family members have used the same one for total home heating, in way upstate NY, for over 25 years.
” I am an American that loves his country”
If you love it so much how come you aren’t here fighting to keep it like the rest of us? The only thing that is absurd is a person living in another country on FR. What goes on in the States no longer affects you as you so love to tell us all.
I think you have a good point.
I found the $125 pool pump was no longer produced. Replaced by a new $390 approved model.
I guess I was sleeping when that happened too.
Hat tip to Marcella for the heads up
HEADS-UP to all Strike Anywhere Matches try EBAY:
On more of a prepper note, I have been reading about rockett stoves. Does anyone have experience with them?
Here is a link to an online store (I don’t work for them, no association, not a saleperson;
Their low end stove specs (Silverfire survivor) indicate that you can boil a gallon (5 liters) of water with about a pound (500 grams/17 oz) of fuel. It costs about $125.
They also have a version that you can use inside for about $170, and several larger versions that would appear to be useful for a hunting cabin or bug out spot.
Best info on rocket stoves can be found at
I’m sure we will have FReepers celebrating!
Store them in a jar of rice.
Agenda 21 ping
We have an older pellet stove that is not on the EPA compliance list. If we decide to sell our house we need to remove the stove and put the fireplace back in working order.....according to California law. Our pellet stove puts out absolutely no smoke, we use it all winter long, at the risk of being ticketed on ‘no burn’ days.
So the house is to go from a no smoke pellet stove to a fully smoking fireplace according to the law. Makes perfect sense. lol
I'm pretty sure they are...unless this was satire?
DC is already pretty much uninhabitable.
It’s about time to put the Epa to sleep..
what a waste of power.. for what?
so volcanoes can continue to spew more crap than any other living thing on earth?
I was unable to get the EPA list of acceptable wood stoves to load. I wonder if it’s an internet problem, or a guv shutdown problem?
Suburban demonrats who havent a clue.
Wait till winter, then use an anonymous method to contact the EPA saying you saw smoke coming from every Obama supporter’s chimney!
I WILL NOT COMPLY.
And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!
“Ive also noticed that strike anywhere matches are no where as good as they were fifty years ago”
NOTHING is as good as they were 50 years ago. Nothing.
“Regular kitchen strike anywhere matches are no longer sold. I stored strike anywhere matches before they were outlawed.”
They aren’t outlawed and you can still buy them.
The only reason you don’t see the ‘strike-anywhere’ matches in stores anymore is because of hasmat regulations and shipping restrictions like they put on gunpowder used for reloading ammo.
There is a big fee that must be paid to have them shipped.
A box of kitchen matches will cost you about $15 with the shipping.
Note...this ad says it contains lots of boxes of matches, but the total match count is about the same as one reg old box of kitchen matches.
So do I. Who needs a shredder?
Psst, ask him about his social security bennies.
Alex is a pig in the first degree, and more than juvenile considering his advanced age.