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Wood Stove Ban Made Universal
http://freepatriot.org ^ | September 30, 2013

Posted on 10/02/2013 2:10:04 AM PDT by lowbridge

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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

“I also have strike anywhere matches. They are great when first opened, the the local humidity seems to kill them.”

Take a bar of canning wax and melt it in a small shallow container. Dip each match tip in the melted wax (about 1/3 of the match stick) and let cool.

You now have strike anywhere waterproof matches.


151 posted on 10/02/2013 9:45:54 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Mich Patriot

“OMG, BAN CAMPFIRES! “

The forest services already does in some wilderness areas and it’s not because of wildfire danger either.


152 posted on 10/02/2013 9:48:05 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Tagline: (optional, printed after your name on post))
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To: ctdonath2

Then they will need to ban the private sale of sheet steel bricks & require the people to forget how to use a welding machine. The idiots may try but they will not succeed.


153 posted on 10/02/2013 9:48:41 AM PDT by Nebr FAL owner
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To: lowbridge; All
http://www.epa.gov/burnwise/faqconsumer.html They are not banning wood stoves. You can still buy them, but it will be a catalytic or one with some pollution-reducing features. www.epa.gov/compliance/resources/.../woodstoves/certifiedwood.pdf‎ Looks like several hundred models to choose from. They claim (and you know how they lie) that the new ones are some 20-30% more efficient in terms of how much wood they burn for a given heat output.
154 posted on 10/02/2013 9:49:04 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: Pete from Shawnee Mission

There are a lot of videos on Youtube re: instruction for making your own rocket stove. The ones made of metal cans would probably rust in our humid climate, so we plan to get chimney bricks to build ours. You don’t have to spend a lot to obtain a rocket stove.


155 posted on 10/02/2013 9:54:15 AM PDT by Silentgypsy (the seed spawn of zor-ketthraa!.)
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To: ctdonath2

“...it’s to kill the supply chain....” Much like their long-range strategy for firearms.


156 posted on 10/02/2013 10:00:56 AM PDT by Basil Duke
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To: lowbridge

‘They can have my wood stove when they can pry it from my warm, well armed, heavily muscled from cutting wood hands.’


157 posted on 10/02/2013 10:02:15 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
This regulations practically SCREAMS to be disobeyed!

Indeed. But after the regs take effect, where would one buy one so as to be disobedient?

158 posted on 10/02/2013 10:05:33 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (So Obama "inherited" a mess? Firemen "inherit" messes too. Ever see one put gasoline on it?)
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To: agere_contra
The EPA are literally attempting to shut down free trade in wood stoves.

Take your Marxist propaganda elsewhere! The EPA is looking after freedom-loving patriots!
159 posted on 10/02/2013 10:17:38 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: lowbridge; All

They can have my wood burning stove when they can pry my cold, dead fingers, from it!!!

After I expend all my ammunition into the idiots who want to take mine away...

What an absolute waste of time and atmosphere these cretins occupy these days...


161 posted on 10/02/2013 10:23:05 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
This regulations practically SCREAMS to be disobeyed!

Until the wood stove police come to my house, I will ignore this.
162 posted on 10/02/2013 10:25:40 AM PDT by yorkiemom
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To: lowbridge

Boehner needs to restore funding one agency at a time. Leave out the NLRB, the EPA, the CPSC, and all the newest Obama agencies.

Just never fund them. Let the Dems come back and prove what they do for America.


163 posted on 10/02/2013 10:26:53 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: ctdonath2
Remember: their goal isn’t to take your stove, it’s to kill the supply chain so the next generation of the self-sufficient can’t get a new one.

Ah, you are right. Everything they do has consequences in the future and the way they are shaping the country to be their own Animal Farm.
164 posted on 10/02/2013 10:26:54 AM PDT by yorkiemom
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To: Don@VB

I’m designing a stove that creates heat from burning bureaucrat’s bodies. There is a good supply of them.


165 posted on 10/02/2013 10:35:53 AM PDT by wrencher
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To: wrencher

oooh, just the thought of setting democrats on fire makes me feel warm inside too.


166 posted on 10/02/2013 10:38:13 AM PDT by wrencher
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To: stevie_d_64

“After I expend all my ammunition into the idiots who want to take mine away...”

They are not coming to take any stoves. They are not banning wood stoves. No stove will be confiscated.


167 posted on 10/02/2013 10:45:58 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: central_va

Washington was president of the constitutional convention that, when adopted, ended tariffs enacted by the states that interfered with interstate trade.

The US Consititution established what was, at that time, the largest free trade zone in the world.


168 posted on 10/02/2013 10:58:29 AM PDT by donmeaker (Youth is wasted on the young.)
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To: LucianOfSamasota

Regulations, made by bureaucrats, have the force of law, sadly.


169 posted on 10/02/2013 11:04:38 AM PDT by donmeaker (Youth is wasted on the young.)
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To: lowbridge

Unbelievable!!!

King Obama has the Senate in the bag, rendring the Congress impotent, so he is the de-facto dictator.


170 posted on 10/02/2013 11:10:44 AM PDT by Iron Munro (When a killer screams 'Allahu Akbar' you don't need to be mystified about a motive.)
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To: lowbridge

So now instead of using a renewable fuel, wood, people will be forced to burn eeeeeeevil fossil fuels to keep warm.


171 posted on 10/02/2013 11:13:06 AM PDT by matt04
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To: Fai Mao
I have an idea. Ban Greek yogurt and lipstick.

Try to ban Glory Holes and buttless leather chaps and watch the democrats go crazy!


172 posted on 10/02/2013 11:13:34 AM PDT by Iron Munro (When a killer screams 'Allahu Akbar' you don't need to be mystified about a motive.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

hey now I just may want a wood stove for those 2 or 3 days a year it gets down to freezing here in Tampa


173 posted on 10/02/2013 11:16:39 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: agere_contra

If free trade represents freedom why is it pushed by so many big government, one world govt people?


174 posted on 10/02/2013 11:17:53 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Because it is good business.

Isolationism kills business

Business makes the world go round


175 posted on 10/02/2013 11:19:51 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: lowbridge

Geeze.

I guess if you don’t comply they’ll send a SWAT team in an MRAP and shoot your dogs.


176 posted on 10/02/2013 11:22:58 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: bert

Simplistic view.

Free trade means multi-national corporations can further manipulate governments and the markets to the detriment of small business and citizens.

It is nothing more then wealth redistribution. If its so good for business why are American companies and Americans doing so much worse?


177 posted on 10/02/2013 11:23:05 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: donmeaker

Bozo, I am taking about trade with foreign nations. Nobody here is against free trade between the 50 US states.


178 posted on 10/02/2013 11:24:45 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: DBrow

If that’s the case, what is the purpose of this regulation/policy if there is no enforcement provision in it???

I know I’m not going to even give this much more thought, as it is unlikely my stove, and anyone elses, for that matter, will be threatened...

I mean if thats the way you see it, we are on the same page...No problem...I just don’t see a use for this regulation/policy if there is no way to enforce it, meaning if there is no fine, or other restrictions to punish non-compliance...


179 posted on 10/02/2013 11:38:58 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

I wonder if the EPA honchos would fit in my woodstove.


180 posted on 10/02/2013 11:48:27 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: knarf

I second your solution.


181 posted on 10/02/2013 11:49:26 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: knarf

I second your solution.


182 posted on 10/02/2013 11:50:05 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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And I did not mean to say it twice.


183 posted on 10/02/2013 11:50:35 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: stevie_d_64

New stoves must comply with emission standards. All commercial outfits selling stoves must sell one of the 600 or so “approved” types. That’s the enforcement.

When an old stove needs replacement that person will need to get an “approved” stove, which from what I have read in other posts, is a better stove in the long run cause it’s more efficient.

This is just like what they did to toilets- SWAT teams did not plow into homes and remove the old, noncompliant toilets, but if you bought a new one from the home improvement store, it would be one of teh low-flush ones.

I think, from looking at what EPA has written, there is nothing preventing a private individual from selling his stove to another citizen, and you can still build your own, you just can’t be in the business of selling them commercially.


184 posted on 10/02/2013 11:50:58 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: Beagle8U
“They aren’t outlawed and you can still buy them.”

If you go where you can read customer comments about those “green” strike anywhere matches, the chemical part on the end has been lessened so much, the match will hardly strike and then burn out very, very, quickly if it does light, so these matches are not regular strike anywhere matches we used to have. So, when they made them strike anywhere, they cut the burning part so much it won't stay lit enough to even catch the material above the fire part on fire.

185 posted on 10/02/2013 12:06:28 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.)
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To: Kartographer

Bet the EPA would go crazy if they saw us burning wood for our BBQ pit.


186 posted on 10/02/2013 12:06:41 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: lowbridge

I’ll be burning some nice pinon oak this winter on the cold days. Warms up the house real good.


187 posted on 10/02/2013 12:10:45 PM PDT by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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To: dangerdoc
They work fine, I have two of them, actually much better that the the less efficient stoves they replaced. More heat per cord of wood and they burn more cleanly, less creosote in the chimney which decreases the risk of burning down the house.

That is what I have found. In 1998 I installed a Dutchwest medium with a catalytic converter and a Regency insert. In 2002 I installed an additional two Aspens. Your experience seems to be the take of this gentlemen at Sweeps's Library - EPA woodstove regulations. He has a different take on the EPA stove issue.

I was surprised that my non-pellet Regency insert was not on the "approved" EPA list. It met the Phase II emissions regulations. I'll have to take a closer look.
188 posted on 10/02/2013 12:11:21 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media. No Blood For Ego!)
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To: DBrow

“They are not coming to take any stoves. They are not banning wood stoves. No stove will be confiscated.”

You seem to trust the government, believe what they say. Bad mistake on your part.


189 posted on 10/02/2013 12:11:26 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.)
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To: Marcella

That is why you dip them in melted paraffin wax.

The wax will make them waterproof AND make them burn for a long time.


190 posted on 10/02/2013 12:15:33 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Arrowhead1952

I have an outdoor fireplace and it burns ——WOOD.


191 posted on 10/02/2013 12:16:12 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.)
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To: Beagle8U

“That is why you dip them in melted paraffin wax.
The wax will make them waterproof AND make them burn for a long time.”

And, that is why they are not like our old time regular strike anywhere matches - and I have a big metal can of the regular ones I got before they were taken off the market. With the “approved” matches, you have to alter them to make them somewhat like the old ones.


192 posted on 10/02/2013 12:19:01 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.)
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To: Biggirl
EVERYONE: Ignore, obstruct, delay, dismantle the socialist government and the traitor who is “pResident” in the White Hut. Be the Freedom Fighters for our time...look up the term and read how Freedom Fighters fought for freedom and liberty from their Nazi captors, from their Japanese guards in prison camps during World War II. Read, learn and apply. Join forces with like minded people who love this country and will fight for the Constitution, our Liberty and Freedom.
193 posted on 10/02/2013 12:41:00 PM PDT by itssme
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Somebody got up on the wrong side of the bed.


194 posted on 10/02/2013 12:51:32 PM PDT by mbarker12474
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To: Marcella

“You seem to trust the government, believe what they say. Bad mistake on your part.”

I guess. But if they were really coming with a SWAT team to take your stove, I doubt they’d signal their intent. This is just like the regulations on new toilets.

Did you read any of the regulations on woodstoves?


195 posted on 10/02/2013 12:52:02 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: central_va; donmeaker
Bozo, I am taking about trade with foreign nations. Nobody here is against free trade between the 50 US states.

Except the USDA, FDA, DEA -- any agency involved with the War on Drugs -- the EPA, the DOT, and so forth.
It gets even more interesting when you look at the 'mechanism' they use: the commerce clause.

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
Notice that the clause is a list, one which contains foreign-countries, Indian-tribes [which we could term domestic-nations], and the States. This means that the same power that applies to regulating the States is the same power that applies to countries; moreover, the clause is used to justify federal regulations within the States [that is intrastate commerse] by claiming it is impactful of interstate commerce.

If the federal government tried to declare the regulatory power within other countries as it does within the States, that country would rightly regard it as an act of war. If the FedGov were to try enforcing those regulations, that would be the waging of that war… therefore enforcing intrastate regulations is the waging of war upon the several States: Treason.

196 posted on 10/02/2013 1:55:19 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: lowbridge
The EPA’s new environmental regulations reduce the amount of airborne fine-particle matter from 15 micrograms to 12 micrograms per cubic meter of air.

How does the EPA inform naturally occurring fires of this new regulation and it's bound to present real ball-buster of a problem for the volcanoes.

I guess EPA will provide exemptions just as Obamacare provides waivers from its onerous provisions.

However, it flies in the face of the 14th Amendment’s promise of equal protection of the laws. How is there equal protection of the laws when Obama points to A, B, and C and demands they follow the law and then Obama turns to X, Y, and Z and tell them they don't need to follow the law.

197 posted on 10/02/2013 2:03:37 PM PDT by MosesKnows (Love many, trust few, and always paddle your own canoe.)
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To: Pajamajan

When I asked for the health care bill Washington kept sending me copies of some Muslims birth certificate to burn. I am not sure but I think it was from Kenya.


198 posted on 10/02/2013 2:10:09 PM PDT by shoff (Vote Democratic it beats thinking!)
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To: Georgia Girl 2; AlexW
”I am an American that loves his country”

If you love it so much how come you aren’t here fighting to keep it like the rest of us? The only thing that is absurd is a person living in another country on FR. What goes on in the States no longer affects you as you so love to tell us all.

If I may: I have a brother who was incredibly defiant of authority, I saw that this would land him in trouble if he continued that path. When he turned 17 [or was it 18] I took him to the Marine recruiter (for his birthday, no less) and let the recruiter give his pitch: I figured that the Marines would either solve his authority-problem or galvanize it… as it turns out it solved it [for the most part] and now that he's out he's pursuing [probably] a paramedic job.

My point is that sometimes it takes something thoroughly unpleasant to get through to [some] people... and sometimes it becomes clear that you-yourself cannot help them because they refuse to be helped. I think that's, overall, the position America finds itself in. (We've been warned about our finances since Clinton, at least... and what have we done?)

199 posted on 10/02/2013 2:15:41 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: AlexW
Why else do you think I have been on FR for the last 15 years?

***************************

Is that a rhetorical question?

200 posted on 10/02/2013 2:18:50 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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