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Wood Stove Ban Made Universal
http://freepatriot.org ^ | September 30, 2013

Posted on 10/02/2013 2:10:04 AM PDT by lowbridge

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To: Nebr FAL owner

Most people won’t build their own wood stove if they can’t buy one.


201 posted on 10/02/2013 2:21:06 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: Marcella

We have a fireplace in our house, but haven’t used in in the past few years with the mild winters. We have one of the wood burning fire pits we use on cool nights in the back yard. Guess we will have to hide those now.


202 posted on 10/02/2013 2:26:40 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: Stillwaters

ping


203 posted on 10/02/2013 2:27:57 PM PDT by lonevoice (Today I broke my personal record for most consecutive days lived)
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To: Ouderkirk; Tolerance Sucks Rocks
If you and I were to agree that I was going to purchase your old wood-stove....
How would they be able enforce this...that 1) you can’t sell it to me...2) that I cannot begin using it once I have taken possession.

Relevant:
“Did you really think we want those laws observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them to be broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power and we mean it... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with.”

204 posted on 10/02/2013 2:28:19 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: DBrow

“This is just like the regulations on new toilets.”

Regulating a cook stove is much worse. You see, one regulation leads to another one to another one to another one to another one to another one to another one, etc..

There are companies that make outdoor fireplaces. Appears to me they would have to be regulated totally out. And barbecues and camp fires and et., et.,.

What regulation started it all? No one knows, but it did happen and started and grew until one day it will be “1984”.


205 posted on 10/02/2013 2:31:36 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.)
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To: Marcella

Isn’t using charcoal pretty much burning wood twice?


206 posted on 10/02/2013 2:34:18 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: lowbridge

I don,t know, I looked at the list and there are a ton of approved stoves. I bought one about eight years ago and love it. I was glad to see that it was on the approved list. During the summer I cut, split, and stack enough wood to keep me going through the winter. Granted I’m below the Mason Dixon line, but even on the coldest of days, the wood stove puts out enough to keep my heater from kicking on.


207 posted on 10/02/2013 2:35:29 PM PDT by TBall
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To: Marcella

You should look to see what EPA is doing before you go off about campfires and cookstoves.

Also there is a post upthread in which a guy says that his EPA-approved stove works better and uses less wood, I guess he’s a shill.

Yes regulations are bad, but most of the people on this thread have not looked at these regulations, don’t know what they say, and either make stuff up or repeat what other people make up about what EPA is doing. You can’t discuss policy or regulation in such an environment, which may be what our wannabe masters want.


208 posted on 10/02/2013 2:37:19 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: lowbridge

It would be a delicious irony if the Second American Revolution was ignited by a ban on wood burning stoves. Ben Franklin would approve.


209 posted on 10/02/2013 2:37:51 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: Arrowhead1952

“We have one of the wood burning fire pits we use on cool nights in the back yard.”

My outdoor fireplace is for the same thing - heating the deck area - it burns wood or charcoal and has a place to put food to cook/grill as well. I bought it for a back up stove to cook and to burn household trash. It is covered so big pieces of burning paper, etc., will not fly out.


210 posted on 10/02/2013 2:41:31 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.)
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To: GeronL

“Isn’t using charcoal pretty much burning wood twice?”

Technically, it is, who cares?


211 posted on 10/02/2013 2:43:11 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.)
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To: driftdiver

more drivel


212 posted on 10/02/2013 2:46:05 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: OneWingedShark

Second Amendment protections were put in place so that citizens could shoot operatives of an oppressive government, not deer.

I always wanted to shoot a communist....an EPA agent is the next best thing.


213 posted on 10/02/2013 2:49:50 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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To: DBrow

{...but most of the people on this thread have not looked at these regulations, don’t know what they say, and either make stuff up or repeat what other people make up about what EPA is doing”

HERE IS THE ANSWER TO YOU: THE EPA IS INHERENTLY EVIL AND NEEDS TO BE ZOTTED TODAY! Their regulations are a farce, they want to take your stuff and that stuff is anything they decide to take from you.

Since you are supporting these EPA regulations, you have to be obtuse.


214 posted on 10/02/2013 2:54:42 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.)
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To: Ouderkirk

Good hunting.
Here’s hoping you bag a 10-pointer.


215 posted on 10/02/2013 2:55:07 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

You can buy mine when I’m done with it, but you’ll have to pay in cash (no checks or credit).


216 posted on 10/02/2013 2:57:02 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Major brain damage at UMES, but no property damage!)
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To: DBrow
If you would like, please read it yourself. 203 pages and over 4 Meg.

It's rather obfuscating to say the least, and it doesn't seem to include the clause that shows how these non-elected agencies have any authority under the US Constitution. But, hey, they seem like nice folks and we shouldn't not follow their fiats policies. I mean, it's not like they will come in and shut down your business or arrest you for disobedience.

217 posted on 10/02/2013 3:13:17 PM PDT by antidisestablishment (Mahound delenda est)
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To: Marcella
“The EPA apparently does not care about grid-down scenarios, in which woodstoves would come in handy in the wintertime.”

IMHO this is more about making life more difficult for people who live off the government reservations.

Its just another small turn of the screw but eventually laws and prohibitions will make it impossible for people to survive in small towns or remote homesteads.

Sooner or later it will end up with the feds using satellites to identify plumes of smoke or heat sources to locate the last "antisocial" types so they can be relocated to approved areas.

Sounds far fetched, but who ever though a child would be kicked out of school for pointing a finger?

Who ever dreamed that it would be more socially (and legally) acceptable to brag about being a practicing homosexual than to admit you smoked cigarettes?


218 posted on 10/02/2013 3:15:18 PM PDT by Iron Munro (When a killer screams 'Allahu Akbar' you don't need to be mystified about a motive.)
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To: Marcella
these matches are not regular strike anywhere matches we used to have.

Back in the day we were able to light a strike-anywhere match one handed with a short flick of a thumbnail.

On these newer matches many are wasted by striking repeatedly to get them to light until the compounds on the end just wear away.


219 posted on 10/02/2013 3:27:37 PM PDT by Iron Munro (When a killer screams 'Allahu Akbar' you don't need to be mystified about a motive.)
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To: bert

In other words you don’t have an argument.


220 posted on 10/02/2013 4:15:27 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: DBrow

We don’t need to know what the regulations say since their meaning changes to support the agenda. All we need to see is the abuse that’s taking place to kjow the epa kust be stopped.

Most people want a clean environment but the epa is so far off the reservation they can’t even see the TP


221 posted on 10/02/2013 4:18:14 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

I don’t waste my time with Brigadeers that know not of what they religiously speak


222 posted on 10/02/2013 4:30:30 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: bert

and so you jump to insults.

more proof that your ideas are bankrupt


223 posted on 10/02/2013 5:08:42 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

First, they came for the people with woodstoves.
I did not speak up, because I lived in the tropics . . .


And then they came for the hammocks.....


224 posted on 10/02/2013 5:16:46 PM PDT by cornfedcowboy
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To: Marcella

That is basically what our outdoor fireplace is used for as well. Feds, come and pry ‘em from our hands.


225 posted on 10/02/2013 5:22:31 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: mbarker12474

I get up on the wrong side of the bed every morning lately since the installation of the police state. Maybe thats why it irritates the living chit out of me to listen to some BS from a guy who is living down in the Phillipines or wherever as an expatriot. Or as I interpret it an ex patriot which means no longer a patriot.

When the current country of his choice has a coup or a civil war he will be screaming at the gates of the US Embassy for protection because he is an American and has his rights. He will be begging to get on an American ship or plane and get the heck back home to the good old USA.


226 posted on 10/02/2013 5:43:49 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Arrowhead1952
I have lived a long time and growing up and until I was in my 30s, it was no one’s business what we did. We had a driver's license and car license, and only had to have car insurance if we wanted it - our life was our own. Starting in my early forties, more regulations started. At some point, we had to have car insurance or get a big fine if we were caught not having it.

Bit by bit it kept happening. Now, I have to have my car inspected every year or get a fine. If I didn't have medical insurance, I would get a fine thanks to Dumbo Hussein. If I wanted to sell my house, I'd have to change a lot of things to meet the requirements to sell a house. If I didn't have a house, I probably wouldn't meet today's requirements to buy one. You see I'm not black or Latino or an illegal alien so I'm out of luck.

I don't meet the requirements to get food stamps because I tell the truth.

I don't get a free phone because I tell the truth.

I pay income tax every year so other people get food stamps and free phones.

There is something wrong with this picture.

227 posted on 10/02/2013 6:04:21 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.)
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To: lowbridge

The EPA doesn’t pass laws so they can kiss my a$$.

As for Congress; see my above sentence.


228 posted on 10/02/2013 6:06:57 PM PDT by rfreedom4u (I have a copy of the Constitution! And I'm not afraid to use it!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; albertp; Alexander Rubin; Allosaurs_r_us; ..



Libertarian ping! Click here to get added or here to be removed or post a message here!

229 posted on 10/02/2013 6:28:55 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: Marcella

I am not supporting them, I merely looked at them and saw no reference to taking people’s stoves, then commented on that. If you find the part supporting people’s assertion that they are requiring people to turn in their stoves, please post, I could not find them.

I agree with the rest of your comment, EPA is evil. It’s the worst thing Nixon ever did to us. I had run-ins with them and they don’t play fair.


230 posted on 10/02/2013 7:18:45 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: antidisestablishment

http://www.epa.gov/burnwise/faqconsumer.html

http://www.epa.gov/Compliance/resources/publications/monitoring/caa/woodstoves/certifiedwood.pdf

http://www.epa.gov/compliance/monitoring/programs/caa/whcert.html

http://www.epa.gov/compliance/monitoring/programs/caa/woodheaters.html

http://www.epa.gov/compliance/monitoring/programs/caa/whlqanda.html

Thanks for the link. It had nothing to do with stoves and who can sell them, but it was interesting. I put up some links about EPA’s wood stove program. I was surprised that this c p has been going on since 1988!

EPA has no Constitutional authority to do what they do. Congress may have the power to pass relevant legislation, but instead they shirk the responsibility and set up these bureaucracies that issue regulations that Justice then considers to be laws. Congresses role is to pass a law stating “let there be clean air” and THIS serves to authorize EPA (or OSHA or whatever) to issue unconstitutional rules that we live by or face prison. No accountability, can’t vote them out, and usually no review of what they are doing. EPA declared CO2 to be a poisonous gas!

Anyway their wood stove rules say that all new wood stoves have to meet their standards which they set. Existing wood stoves are left alone, and it looks like you can build your own as long as you don’t make a business of selling them. I agree with you that this is wrong and that they have no authority, I’m just relating what I read about it.


231 posted on 10/02/2013 7:38:50 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: driftdiver

“We don’t need to know what the regulations say”

Well, I will disagree with you there, driftdiver. If you debate a congressman and show ignorance of the regulations he’ll discount your argument.

A few years ago there were threads about some food safety bill, and the claim was that in the bill, Monsanto had put in provisions making it illegal to collect seed from this year’s crop to plant next year. So I called my rep and he laughed, and said, you got that off the internet, right? And it turned out that in all 400 or so pages, which I then read, there was no such provision. I wasted a bunch of time and congresscriter saw me as a loon.

If we are to end EPA we must be accurate with facts, just like we want “journalists” to do. And EPA must either end or become reasonable and science-based.


232 posted on 10/02/2013 7:46:04 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: carriage_hill

remember Gore went after lawnmotors.....of course what does he know...he’s the idle rich who enherited his money.....he doesn’t do squat...


233 posted on 10/02/2013 8:13:23 PM PDT by cherry (.)
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To: ctdonath2

Build a rocket (stove or mass heater).

http://www.richsoil.com/rocket-stove-mass-heater.jsp

I’m using a Hearthstone Heritage for whole house heating, and though a non-catalyst type, achieves pyrolytic secondary combustion within an hour of cold start. Am considering the rocket type for greenhouse use.


234 posted on 10/02/2013 8:20:23 PM PDT by Ozark Tom
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To: driftdiver

Think of it this way . . . if the government chooses to ban wood-burning stoves, why do protectionists think the government will help them?


235 posted on 10/02/2013 8:22:05 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

oh that’s where you are wrong. The EPA DOES care about a grid down situation, and wants us all to DIE, especially those who will be in hard winters.


236 posted on 10/02/2013 8:35:24 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: Kartographer; Marcella

I found the Strike anywhere mtches at Sportsman’s warehouse in Albuquerque, NM. Bought three boxes the other day.

Here is the store locator:

http://www.sportsmanswarehouse.com/storelocator


237 posted on 10/02/2013 9:29:00 PM PDT by Redcitizen (.)
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To: petitfour

The natural gas shortage in New Mexico was due to a rolling black-out in Texas- winter 2011. Not all compressor stations use electric driven pumping. However, electrical grids rely on natural gas peaking units to maintain stability, and a casualty in gas deliveries could initiate a cascade failure. Therefore, the natural gas which keeps Atlantic coastal cities thawed during the heart of winter, also fuels the gas turbines holding back the night of the dark ages. No pipelines, no electricity, no heat...what was the question???


238 posted on 10/02/2013 9:41:27 PM PDT by Ozark Tom
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I use the tip of one match to strike the other matchtip into flame. And I found this place that carries strike anywhere matches.

http://www.sportsmanswarehouse.com/storelocator/


239 posted on 10/02/2013 9:41:44 PM PDT by Redcitizen (.)
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To: Marcella

Most of the heat from burning wood is liberated as burning gases. A wood heater chock full of charcoal just won’t deliver as much heat as flaming wood.


240 posted on 10/02/2013 9:55:23 PM PDT by Ozark Tom
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To: cherry

It’s about POWER, not about the environment. algore was all about POWER, too. The ‘glo-bull warming’ scare BS was just the means to get there.


241 posted on 10/03/2013 2:35:20 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: Marcella
I don't meet the requirements to get food stamps because I tell the truth....

There is something wrong with this picture.

Don't bet that you are not eligible for food stamps / EBT card. I did the online application for fun and we could qualify for an EBT. There is no way I will get a card. I have too much honesty to take taxpayer money that I don't need.

We finished paying the mortgage on the house several years ago on my salary alone. My wife quit her job when the daughter was six months old and never went back to work. We also put her through college with no assistance from uncle sugar. Our daughter worked her butt off to apply for various scholarships she found on the net.

We paid for several used cars with cash, and never had a new car in the garage until a few years ago. Unlike some people who get a new car every couple of years and have car payments that never end. We pay off the credit cards every month and never accumulate fees for unpaid balances.

Yes, there is something wrong with this picture. Working hard and paying taxes all your life while other deadbeats get help from uncle sugar via our taxes.

242 posted on 10/03/2013 5:04:35 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: Ouderkirk
Second Amendment protections were put in place so that citizens could shoot operatives of an oppressive government, not deer.

See my tagline.

243 posted on 10/03/2013 5:06:16 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: DBrow

Congressman will ignore anyone who disagree with them, period.

But fine you go read the 13,000 pages of regulations and prepare for the quiz.


244 posted on 10/03/2013 5:58:24 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: chrisser

Hmmm...I live right in the middle of boring old suburbia and have a wood stove in my back room. I wonder if our nasty chief of police will descend on me this winter???


245 posted on 10/03/2013 6:43:23 AM PDT by miss marmelstein ( Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: driftdiver

LOL! OK, brb!


246 posted on 10/03/2013 7:14:13 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: Kartographer

bttt


247 posted on 10/03/2013 8:26:33 AM PDT by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

good point. a yearly average of stove use would cut the emissions to nearly half... as wood stove’s would not be in use in the summer for as much...

just sayin...


248 posted on 10/03/2013 9:02:51 AM PDT by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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To: ctdonath2

Granted but friends with skills are always helping friends under the table .


249 posted on 10/10/2013 10:49:45 AM PDT by Nebr FAL owner
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