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Lithuania threatens to take Russian region hostage, demands changes in foreign policy
Russia Today ^

Posted on 10/02/2013 9:26:41 AM PDT by kronos77

The Lithuanian Foreign Minister says his country could block land transport to Russia’s Baltic exclave of Kaliningrad if Russia maintains its opposition to stronger trade ties between Ukraine and the European Union.

"As you know, the Kaliningrad region is isolated, geographically isolated, so we could apply some measures also to cut something," the Reuters news agency quoted Linas Linkevicius as saying on Wednesday. "Transport, we could cut off trains, but not only trains, also the supply of goods, whatever. It is theoretically possible," the official added.

The reporters raised the topic as Lithuania, which currently holds the rotating presidency in the EU, is preparing to host the Third Eastern Partnership Summit– the major conference dedicated to strengthening trade ties between the European economic bloc and six states in Eastern Europe and the Caucasus - Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Georgia, Moldova and Ukraine. All of these countries are Russian neighbors and close economic partners.

Russia is currently building its own economic bloc – the Customs Union – which currently consists of itself, Belarus and Kazakhstan, but to which it welcomes other neighboring nations.

However, the Russian initiative is being opposed by top European officials. As the Ukrainian government was negotiating its association agreement with the EU in September this year, the head of the European Council, Herman Van Rompuy said that after the association it would be impossible for Ukraine to participate in the Customs Union.

Also in September, Russian President Vladimir Putin suggested that if Ukraine first joined the Customs Union it could negotiate its further cooperation with the EU on much better terms. “We hold that such a move would support our common interests – ours and Ukrainian,” Putin told reporters and experts at the closing session of the Valdai Discussion Club.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: armenia; azerbaijan; baltics; belarus; europeanunion; georgia; kaliningra; kaliningrad; kazakhstan; lithuania; moldova; putin; russia; turkey; ukraine
And, Obama is still pushing at least SOME war against Russia...
1 posted on 10/02/2013 9:26:42 AM PDT by kronos77
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To: kronos77

They best remember what happened in Georgia...


2 posted on 10/02/2013 9:36:14 AM PDT by epluribus_2 (he had the best m om - ever.)
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To: kronos77
Someone should point out a couple of facts to the Lithuanian Foreign Minister.

One, Kaliningrad is not land-locked. It is a seaport.

Two, Putin does not respond well to threats.

Three, don't expect anyone to come to your aid if push comes to shove. Obama might draw some sort or red line to help you, but then he'll forget all about it and go golfing.

3 posted on 10/02/2013 9:39:16 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: kronos77

The mouse that roared? Wonder just what weakness he sees in Putin?


4 posted on 10/02/2013 9:53:14 AM PDT by faithhopecharity (Er)
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To: epluribus_2
They best remember what happened in Georgia...

Or what happened on January 13, 1991 in Vilnius.

5 posted on 10/02/2013 9:55:09 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Leaning Right

Kaliningrad is Russian for “Danzig.” (And yes, I know the real German name for it is “ Königsberg”)


6 posted on 10/02/2013 9:56:22 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: epluribus_2

Lithuania is a NATO member, so I guess we get to back up their threats.


7 posted on 10/02/2013 9:59:04 AM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied)
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To: kronos77
For reference:


8 posted on 10/02/2013 10:02:20 AM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: kronos77

Kaliningrad Railway has standard gauge railroad lines, not Russian broad gauge lines. On the other hand, Lithuania has Russian broad gauge lines (as do Latvia and Estonia). Lithuania could “cut off” Kaliningrad (and integrate with the west) by switching to standard gauge. Unfortunately, a proposal to convert a line from Poland to Estonia and thence to Finland to standard gauge, is currently rejected in favor of renewing Russian broad gauge line from Lithuania to Estonia.


9 posted on 10/02/2013 10:44:25 AM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: Pan_Yan; 1rudeboy
That map that left out areas occupied by recent visitors.  This is the complete map:


10 posted on 10/02/2013 10:45:39 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: epluribus_2
They best remember what happened in Georgia....

Trust me, they do. Lithuanians don't fear (or worship) Russians, like some FReepers.

11 posted on 10/02/2013 10:48:30 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Leaning Right
Two, Putin does not respond well to threats.
Been there, done that.

Three, don't expect anyone to come to your aid if push comes to shove.
No one came last time, or the time before that . . . .

12 posted on 10/02/2013 10:52:55 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: expat_panama
Restore the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth!


13 posted on 10/02/2013 11:11:55 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

I agree. Lithuanian girls are hot, but Polish girls have larger tracts of land.


14 posted on 10/02/2013 11:17:17 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: dfwgator
Kaliningrad is Russian for “Danzig.” (And yes, I know the real German name for it is “ Königsberg”)

Danzig is German for the Polish, Gdansk, not Kaliningrad.

Konigsberg = Kaliningrad. Correct.

FReegards!


15 posted on 10/02/2013 11:37:22 AM PDT by Agamemnon (Darwinism is the glue that holds liberalism together)
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To: kronos77

Kaliningrad is the only Russian Baltic Sea port that is ice-free all year round and hence plays an important role in maintenance of the Baltic Fleet.


16 posted on 10/02/2013 11:46:45 AM PDT by Ditto
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To: kronos77

Give Kaliningrad back to the Prussians.

Oh, wait.


17 posted on 10/02/2013 12:56:50 PM PDT by JoeTheGeorgian
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To: Agamemnon; dfwgator

Read thou 20th century history of Danzig. In that regard, (historical parallels) Kaliningrad IS Russian for Gdansk. Beside that, it had never, prior to the Yalta surrender by the West, been part of Russia. During the last months of WWII this historical city was completely destroyed by the Soviets, and was not rebuilt for decades afterwards, its remaining citizens, Poles, Lithuanians and Germans prevented from leaving it.


18 posted on 10/02/2013 1:12:46 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Leaning Right

All good points. He’s doing Lithuania a disservice with this stance, as good as his intentions are.


19 posted on 10/02/2013 3:14:09 PM PDT by OldNewYork (Biden '13. Impeach now.)
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To: OldNewYork

Well, then. Maybe he should offer to give Putin a foot massage, instead?


20 posted on 10/02/2013 4:13:13 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: dfwgator
To: expat_panama

Restore the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth!

Do you really expect expat_panama to have it done?

21 posted on 10/02/2013 11:15:53 PM PDT by Freelance Warrior (A Russian.)
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To: Revolting cat!
Read thou 20th century history of Danzig. In that regard, (historical parallels) Kaliningrad IS Russian for Gdansk. Beside that, it had never, prior to the Yalta surrender by the West, been part of Russia. During the last months of WWII this historical city was completely destroyed by the Soviets, and was not rebuilt for decades afterwards, its remaining citizens, Poles, Lithuanians and Germans prevented from leaving it.

Kaliningrad isn't Gdansk (Danzig). These two are different cities. The previous name for Kaliningrad is Konigsberg. It was populated by Germans, not Poles since medieval times, and most of them fled to mainland Germany in WWII.

22 posted on 10/02/2013 11:23:39 PM PDT by Freelance Warrior (A Russian.)
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To: Freelance Warrior; Revolting cat!
The previous name for Kaliningrad is Konigsberg. It was populated by Germans, not Poles since medieval times, and most of them fled to mainland Germany in WWII.

Moreover, Konigsberg translates to King City -- and was so named as the seat of the Hohenzollern dynasty. The Kaisers came to Konigsberg to be crowned.

Kaliningrad (nee: Konigsberg) was originally a very German (Prussian) city.

23 posted on 10/02/2013 11:40:54 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: okie01

Konigsberg was a heart of Junker aristocracy and a birthplace of infamous German imperialism. Demolishing the city and killing it’s population was a part of Stalin’s plan to pacify Germany. It seems like working.


24 posted on 10/03/2013 3:25:07 AM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: 1rudeboy

“Well, then. Maybe he should offer to give Putin a foot massage, instead?”

Trolls gotta troll, right? Are you a little bit upset I gave you the last word and let your comment go without responding further to it on another thread and are making up for it by bringing it here?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3072696/posts:
“Trolling since Jan., 1999 . . . and poking Russians with a stick ever since.”

In a quiet moment, you’d have to ask yourself if you accomplished what you set out to accomplish in your 14 years of it.


25 posted on 10/03/2013 4:48:20 AM PDT by OldNewYork (Biden '13. Impeach now.)
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To: Revolting cat!; dfwgator
Kaliningrad is ~ 2.5 - 3 hours away from Gdansk by bus.

Kaliningrad,Russia/Gdansk(Danzig),Poland

There are probably quite a few Poles who would disagree with the notion that Gdansk is Russian for Kaliningrad.

History of Kaliningrad may be found at this link: Kaliningrad History

FReegards!


26 posted on 10/03/2013 6:28:40 AM PDT by Agamemnon (Darwinism is the glue that holds liberalism together)
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To: OldNewYork

Me upset? Hardly. Just commenting on your pro-Russian bias. And I’ll continue to do so while I’m still free to do so.


27 posted on 10/03/2013 8:24:07 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Freelance Warrior; Agamemnon; dfwgator

Still don’t get it, do you? We’re just stupid? No, we just happen to remember a little history. The assumption that other people are stupid and we can prove it by Googling some word or name, and make ourselves look smart is a bane and plague of the Internet.

In any case, to explicitly explain the reference. I can’t speak for dfw, but the way I immediately understood his initial remark was that the current situation with Kaliningrad (what was its Polish name, since you know everything?) is remindful of the conflict over German access to Danzig in the 1930s between Germany and Poland. A reference, obvious to a few, obscure to others, and that’s quite all right, to the so-called ‘Danzig corridor’ demanded of the Poles by Adolph. Historical parallels, as I said. You can look that up too.

That’s why is ‘Kaliningrad is Danzig’ in Russian. D’uh and sheesh!


28 posted on 10/03/2013 11:08:05 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: 1rudeboy

It wouldn’t take anyone very long to dispel your nonsense charges, even in the last thread I linked to, in my comments to someone else. When they’re in the right, they’re in the right. You’ve already admitted an anti-Russian bias, so anyone being objective about them would then seem to you to be going too far in their favor.


29 posted on 10/03/2013 12:57:30 PM PDT by OldNewYork (Biden '13. Impeach now.)
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To: OldNewYork

That’s how it works, nowadays, huh? Pro-Russian bias is “objective?” What’s the weather like in Moscow, today?


30 posted on 10/03/2013 1:00:36 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: kronos77

If anyone should own Königsberg, it is the Poles or the Lithuanians, and certainly not FDR’s favorite the savage alcoholic Asiatic hordes that own it now.


31 posted on 10/03/2013 1:16:23 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: 1rudeboy

Again, troll away. I’ll give you the last word here, too. Keep this up, and no one will take anything you say seriously.


32 posted on 10/03/2013 3:03:19 PM PDT by OldNewYork (Biden '13. Impeach now.)
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To: OldNewYork

You are so “gracious,” comrade.


33 posted on 10/03/2013 4:50:22 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Revolting cat!; FreedomWarrior; dfwgator
Still don’t get it, do you? We’re just stupid? No, we just happen to remember a little history.

By your logic since New York City is 2.5 -3 hours away from Boston by bus one may legitimately say that New York City and Boston are the same place.

A little less feigned consternation and few links which support your side of the discussion would be much more helpful to support your position.

That’s why is ‘Kaliningrad is Danzig’ in Russian. D’uh and sheesh!

Might want to actually learn a little Russian while you're at it too:

Гданьск = Gdansk (Polish)

Гданьск = Danzig

Калининград = Kaliningrad

FReegards!


34 posted on 10/03/2013 9:04:44 PM PDT by Agamemnon (Darwinism is the glue that holds liberalism together)
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To: Agamemnon

I guess, I’ll have to let somebody else explain to you how similes and metaphors work.

Yes, in any language, Kaliningrad IS Russian for Danzig! (I know my Ruski, thank you.)

Cheers.


35 posted on 10/03/2013 9:20:06 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Revolting cat!
I've called no-one stupid, just corrected what I thought was a mistake. Ok, now I see you've tried to express your thoughts symbolically. But the first your post wasn't clear enough since you hadn't shared any factual material. Now, you'be put things straight, thank you.

what was its Polish name, since you know everything?

I'm not banned in Wikipedia, so I don't think my answer would be really of value. Why do you think that the Polish name is so important in this context?

36 posted on 10/04/2013 12:19:53 AM PDT by Freelance Warrior (A Russian.)
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To: Revolting cat!
Beside that, it had never, prior to the Yalta surrender by the West, been part of Russia.

This is a mistake. Konigsberg was shortly a part of Russia in the XVIII century. link

BTW what is "the West"? Yalta's participants were the USA, the UK, and the USSR.

37 posted on 10/04/2013 12:25:22 AM PDT by Freelance Warrior (A Russian.)
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To: jpsb
It's a “threat” to refuse to allow Russians to cross Lithuanian territory? Russia has acted with hostility toward Lithuania like when the Kremlin cut off their gas in the middle of the winter. Why should Lithuania not punish such hostile behavior? KGB thug Putin uses nationalized energy supplies as political weapons of intimidation and blackmail against former Soviet states in a megalomaniacal campaign to resurrect the EVIL EMPIRE. The stupid and evil thug Putin must be shown that he cannot bully his neighbors into submission. The EVIL EMPIRE Putin loyally served is dead and gone forever!
38 posted on 10/04/2013 12:57:45 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Freelance Warrior

The remark that ‘Kaliningrad is Russian for Danzig’ wasn’t mine! One shouldn’t have to explain bon mots and puns, they’re just not worth it. Get it, OK, don’t get it, don’t argue, and risk ending up looking like a fool. And yet, after all the explanations one poster still doesn’t get it.

It was the West, Western allies, represented by the US and Britain who surrendered to Russia in Yalta and Tehran. Russia certainly didn’t surrender to itself.


39 posted on 10/04/2013 9:40:24 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Revolting cat!
Yes, in any language, Kaliningrad IS Russian for Danzig! (I know my Ruski, thank you.)

Really?

Гданьск ≠ Калининград

FReegards!


40 posted on 10/04/2013 12:30:48 PM PDT by Agamemnon (Darwinism is the glue that holds liberalism together)
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To: Revolting cat!
The remark that ‘Kaliningrad is Russian for Danzig’ wasn’t mine! One shouldn’t have to explain bon mots and puns, they’re just not worth it.

Still you've taken the burden of explaining a 'pun' which is of clumsy nature (too peripherical topic for people with American cultural background). That's why you've needed two attempts doing this. Speaking about the said Russian-Lithuanian conflict I heard the reason was that Russian customs officers had performed total customs checks on Lithuanian lorries, unlike on others, in response to this an Lithuanian official threatened to severe existing land railway access to Kaliningrad from mainland Russia. Probably the situation has a historical parallel with Danzig's post WWI history, but that's not about Russians demanding extra-privileges on railway access.

It was the West, Western allies, represented by the US and Britain who surrendered to Russia in Yalta and Tehran. Russia certainly didn’t surrender to itself.

If we continue this logic we'll have that the Nazi Germany was the only West, who didn't surrender to the Soviet Union in Tehran and Yalta. Because Germany is no less 'West' than the UK or the USA.

41 posted on 10/06/2013 10:29:57 PM PDT by Freelance Warrior (A Russian.)
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To: kronos77
LITHUANIA: "Who's with me??"

*crickets*

42 posted on 10/06/2013 10:32:31 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Revolting cat!

I think you have to explain it more simply and in bold fonts.

:p


43 posted on 10/06/2013 10:39:38 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Freelance Warrior

The Danzig corridor is a peripheral topic? You’re correct, it is, even though it was the direct reason for the start of WWII (even Wiki knows it and mentions the diplomatic exchange between Germany and Poland of August 1939.)

As for historical parallels, they’re never exact, are they, or we wouldn’t understand the painting by John McNaughton which shows Obama playing a fiddle while in the background Washington burns.

The Kaliningrad district, by the way, is the wealthiest region of Russia, its traffic jams filled with luxury cars, I’ve read, while the citizens driving to shop across the border to Poland where prices are lower.


44 posted on 10/07/2013 11:18:52 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Revolting cat!
The Danzig corridor is a peripheral topic?

For American and/or Russian public - yes. It's not a part of the national histories. For German public and especially Polish (for what sin did God punish us?) -it's not peripherial.

The Kaliningrad district, by the way, is the wealthiest region of Russia, its traffic jams filled with luxury cars, I’ve read, while the citizens driving to shop across the border to Poland where prices are lower.

It's not so. The wealthiest region of Russia is Moscow city. People driving abroad for shopping are in any border province (St. Petersberg - Finland, Smolensk - Belarus, Vladivostok or Khabarovsk, - China and even Siberia -Kazakhstan).

45 posted on 10/07/2013 10:48:34 PM PDT by Freelance Warrior (A Russian.)
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To: Freelance Warrior

There is nothing you don’t know better, is there?!


46 posted on 10/08/2013 10:34:26 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Revolting cat!
There is nothing you don’t know better, is there?!

There're things I don't know, but they're not about the facts you have mentioned.

47 posted on 10/08/2013 11:41:49 PM PDT by Freelance Warrior (A Russian.)
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To: kronos77

God Bless Vladimir Putin, Patriarch Kyril, and the Russian people.


48 posted on 10/09/2013 1:26:12 PM PDT by eleni121 ("All Along the Watchtower" Book of Isaiah, Chapter 21, verses 5-9)
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