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Cops: Jehovah's Witnesses Faced Bullet Barrage
The Smoking Gun ^ | October 1, 2013

Posted on 10/02/2013 9:59:25 AM PDT by EveningStar

Incensed that two Jehovah's Witnesses approached him in the front yard of his home, an Arkansas man allegedly had his wife retrieve his 9mm handgun from the residence and then fired 19 rounds at the pair’s vehicle, police report.

John Baldwin, 35, was arrested for felony aggravated assault following the incident Saturday afternoon outside his Centerton home.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: Arkansas
KEYWORDS: jehovahswitnesses
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1 posted on 10/02/2013 9:59:25 AM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar
Good for him, these people don’t know how to take no for an answer and keep coming back.
2 posted on 10/02/2013 10:00:50 AM PDT by RBW in PA
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To: EveningStar

If you don’t like what they are selling, a simple “no, thank you” will do.


3 posted on 10/02/2013 10:00:52 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: EveningStar
John Baldwin, 35, was arrested for felony aggravated assault

I have always told them I really did not want to talk about it, but I never had any desire to shoot them.

4 posted on 10/02/2013 10:02:18 AM PDT by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Veteran, 70-71)
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To: Vigilanteman

Ya think? That hasn’t been my experience with these people. (But I’ve never fired on them.)


5 posted on 10/02/2013 10:02:48 AM PDT by basil (2ASisters.org)
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To: Vigilanteman

They can be pretty hard to get away from but not dangerously so. Certainly not worth shooting at them.


6 posted on 10/02/2013 10:03:41 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: EveningStar

Mormons probably been banging on the door that morning.


7 posted on 10/02/2013 10:04:16 AM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: EveningStar

Obama’s Dept. of Homeland Security has said fervent religious people are domestic terrorists. Is this what the federal DHS wants - shooting guns at religious people and their cars?


8 posted on 10/02/2013 10:05:08 AM PDT by Rapscallion (Vlad the Impaler proposed no path to citizenship. Consider that.)
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To: EveningStar

I wonder if this shooter showed up at his church on Sunday?


9 posted on 10/02/2013 10:05:56 AM PDT by Average Al
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To: EveningStar

We need the photo “Get off my lawn.”


10 posted on 10/02/2013 10:06:12 AM PDT by Mercat
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To: EveningStar

I’m guessing his judgement was a bit clouded at that point.


11 posted on 10/02/2013 10:06:33 AM PDT by b4its2late (A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: EveningStar

And it was posted in the Smoking Gun. Coincidence? I think not.....


12 posted on 10/02/2013 10:07:03 AM PDT by b4its2late (A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: RBW in PA

“Good for him, these people don’t know how to take no for an answer”

They had apologized and were in their car leaving when he went ballistic.


13 posted on 10/02/2013 10:07:47 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Vigilanteman

I had a friend who allowed Jehova’s witnesses to knock on his door. He answered the door in the nude. It was not a pretty sight.


14 posted on 10/02/2013 10:08:49 AM PDT by forgotten man
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To: EveningStar

I love talking to Jehovah’s Witnesses. There are few enough professed Christians who know as much about their own religion. When I lived in Raleigh, there was one who made sure my condo was the last stop on his route so he could have a beer with me while we talked/argued.

A coworker of mine scared the Mormons away when they asked him where he went to church. His answer?

“The Church of His Satanic Majesty, Lucifer, Prince of Darkness.”


15 posted on 10/02/2013 10:10:48 AM PDT by wolfpat (Not to know what has been transacted in former times is to be always a child. -- Cicero)
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To: basil
My wife will hide from them and pretend not to be home when they come around.

I handle them in one of the following two ways:

  1. If I don't have time to talk: "Sorry, but I'm just not interested. Good day." If they persist, just repeat the previous answer and close the door.
  2. If I feel like having a little fun: "What's the membership of your church?" They give me the answer and I say "Wow, that's way more than the 144,000 whom you think are going to be saved! I think I'll try another brand of religion with better odds."

The reaction I get is priceless. Even though I'm not buying what they are selling, I admire their persistence and work ethic.

16 posted on 10/02/2013 10:11:11 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: EveningStar

Religious nuts can drive you nuts, and free people are entitled to defend thenselves.


17 posted on 10/02/2013 10:11:24 AM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: EveningStar

Jehovah’s Witnesses are why God created dogs.


18 posted on 10/02/2013 10:13:12 AM PDT by pallis
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To: EveningStar

LOL! I answered the door yesterday with my Beretta 92 in it’s holster when some Comcast salesperson rang the door.

(Of course, I ALWAYS have a firearm on me while in my home, so this isn’t uncommon)


19 posted on 10/02/2013 10:14:05 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (IRS = Internal Revenge Service)
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To: wolfpat
I thought Lucas Electrics was the Prince of Darkness.

/johnny

20 posted on 10/02/2013 10:14:21 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Vigilanteman

A simple “no, thank you” isn’t sufficient for those people; they are truly a pia.


21 posted on 10/02/2013 10:14:29 AM PDT by LucyT
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To: RBW in PA

I’ve never had a problem getting rid of them. I just tell them what I think of their church.


22 posted on 10/02/2013 10:14:51 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: billorites

As best I can tell, Mormons don’t go door-to-door anymore.


23 posted on 10/02/2013 10:15:20 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: EveningStar
A simple "Get off my lawn!" would do just fine.
24 posted on 10/02/2013 10:15:25 AM PDT by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: RBW in PA
You don't use a gun to scare people. You don't use a gun to wound people. You use a gun to kill people.

Follow that simple rule and you create a lot fewer problems for yourself.

25 posted on 10/02/2013 10:16:08 AM PDT by Datom (Still runnin' "Against the Wind.")
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To: EveningStar

Yosemite Sam has not been a workable problem solving model for some time.

In Arkansas!, I’m betting that if nothing got hit in 19 shots, nobody was trying to injure anyone. On the other hand, this guy really needs to go to jail for felony stupidity. A simple, “I am the owner, leave the property now” will suffice. Even “witnesses” know the key words to a trespass arrest.


26 posted on 10/02/2013 10:16:14 AM PDT by Steamburg (Other people's money is the only language a politician respects)
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To: mosaicwolf

27 posted on 10/02/2013 10:17:05 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (I REFUSE!)
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To: Mercat

28 posted on 10/02/2013 10:17:06 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: EveningStar

Hate to see how he treats trick or treaters or girl scouts?


29 posted on 10/02/2013 10:17:46 AM PDT by Average Al
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To: EveningStar

I had a couple come to my door (after the 40th time) and invited them in. They sat on my couch and I asked “Would you both like a cup of tea?” They looked at each other and said “Please.” While the tea was steeping I gave them a plate of scones and came back with the tea. They both sampled the tea and scones and I sat in my chair across from them. I asked “What would you like to talk about?” They looked at each other and said “ I don’t know. We never got this far before.” I ushered them out the door. Nice ladies, probably.


30 posted on 10/02/2013 10:19:45 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: Mercat

31 posted on 10/02/2013 10:21:25 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Religious faith in government is far crazier than religious faith in God.)
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To: Vigilanteman

Yes—you have to give them credit. They think they are doing the Lord’s work.


32 posted on 10/02/2013 10:21:39 AM PDT by basil (2ASisters.org)
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To: AppyPappy
As best I can tell, Mormons don’t go door-to-door anymore.

They still come through our neighborhoods this year.

33 posted on 10/02/2013 10:21:57 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: wolfpat

“The Church of His Satanic Majesty, Lucifer, Prince of Darkness.”...I go to Our Lady of Consumption.


34 posted on 10/02/2013 10:22:55 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: forgotten man

“He answered the door in the nude.”

Don’t knock it. It works.

Don’t ask me how I know...


35 posted on 10/02/2013 10:24:04 AM PDT by Tigerized (So. Are YOU better off than you were 5 years ago?)
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To: OldNavyVet

That is outrageous. I have never had a problem with JWs or Mormons or any other door-to-door ministry. A couple of times I’ve talked with them, but usually I simply say, “no thank you” and close the door. I have never needed to defend myself. I have lived in (and had JWs knock) 5 different states.

The guys reaction and your response are both over the top.


36 posted on 10/02/2013 10:24:40 AM PDT by GilesB
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To: EveningStar

Okay, the Arian heresy can provoke violent reactions — St. Nicholas slugged Arius during the First Ecumenical Council — but this is carrying it too far.

I’ve always met JW’s and Mormons on my doorstep and preached Holy Orthodoxy to them, leaving them mystified since instead of their getting to try to convert me, I turned the tables on them. I think they’ve put a mark on my house or something since they no longer come around.


37 posted on 10/02/2013 10:25:16 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: Vigilanteman

If you don’t like what they are selling, a simple “no, thank you” will do.

If they are witless, I try to convert them to mormonism and vice versa....


38 posted on 10/02/2013 10:26:49 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: thackney

Great, our Mormons are lazy. :)


39 posted on 10/02/2013 10:26:58 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: EveningStar

Check this nut’s garage for a bed sheet with eye holes and a torch.


40 posted on 10/02/2013 10:27:56 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: EveningStar

There’s nothing like a doorman building. No pests admitted. The doorman keeps a baseball bat under the desk for hard cases.


41 posted on 10/02/2013 10:28:11 AM PDT by proxy_user
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To: EveningStar

THe witnesses are no enemy, and thus friends, however I have nothing to talk about with them:

1. THey dont believe Jesus is GOd
2. their peace ganhdi like approach is depressing and demoralizing , and although it makes them good people, what comes after is their clap trap on their religion that I simply cannot deal with.

In other words I find no cooperation from them and they thus cannot find cooperation in me. Funny how the world is great so long all do what Jesus said to do until Jesus comes and says I did it, and then every thing is getting split by that sword.


42 posted on 10/02/2013 10:30:17 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

That is one nice M1


43 posted on 10/02/2013 10:31:42 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: AppyPappy

While I don’t agree with their religion choice, I’ve got to admire folks that will bicycle in the Houston area summer heat to spread their view of God. My conversations with them have always been polite.


44 posted on 10/02/2013 10:31:46 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: EveningStar
"...an Arkansas man allegedly had his wife retrieve his 9mm handgun from the residence and then fired 19 rounds at the pair’s vehicle"

This was completely uneccessary. The response should be:
"You're just in time...come on in, it's gun-cleaning day. Can I get you a beer?"

45 posted on 10/02/2013 10:34:26 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: OldNavyVet
Religious nuts can drive you nuts, and free people are entitled to defend thenselves    ...from people who are driving away from you?
46 posted on 10/02/2013 10:37:50 AM PDT by FreedomOfExpression
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To: forgotten man
Did that once in a towel... Told them they'd "interrupted" something that the Wife and I were doing and that if they insisted on preaching at me that they'd have to join in if they wanted to continue said preaching.

They left.


47 posted on 10/02/2013 10:42:37 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: EveningStar

Naw you can’t be shooting at JW’s...that’s totally bogus.


48 posted on 10/02/2013 10:47:54 AM PDT by exPBRrat
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To: RBW in PA
Good for him, these people don’t know how to take no for an answer and keep coming back.

You bet, because it makes so much sense to shoot at someone after they ask if you'd like to convert to their religion, you say "No", they apologize for taking your time, and start driving away.

Do you feel the same way about Girl Scouts selling cookies door-to-door? They can be pretty persistent, after all.

49 posted on 10/02/2013 10:49:31 AM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: OldNavyVet
Religious nuts can drive you nuts, and free people are entitled to defend thenselves.

The few times I've had such people at my door, I simply tell them I'm an atheist and not interested. Their reaction is invariably a polite one.

I certainly didn't feel the need to "defend" myself by shooting at them.

50 posted on 10/02/2013 10:55:15 AM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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